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#1561 Postby vbhoutex » Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:56 am

southerngale wrote:David, I'm not EVEN gonna fall for those maps this year. :P


I had a low of 24° yesterday. Image That's cold, especially for early December!

It's a good thing we don't hang our hats on these because there is nothing like it in the models today, at least not that I could find. :roll: :roll:
That 24f is cold by any standard in SE TX. :cold:
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#1562 Postby BigB0882 » Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:03 pm

That snow dream map is so funny because it shows about an inch where I would be in TX during that day and the current forecasts all agree it will be about 73 degrees that day. :lol: I know the snow is gone now but funny how wild the swings can be.
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Re: SE TX/SW LA Winter Wx- Can you say BRRRRRRR!

#1563 Postby PTrackerLA » Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:29 am

I don't see any cold air in sight for us on the latest GFS runs. If you go by this 16 day output http://wxweb.meteostar.com/sample/sample.shtml?text=KLFT, we may be hard pressed to even make it into the 40s again through Christmas. Starting to wish the cold of the past two weeks could have held off for Christmas :( .
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#1564 Postby BigB0882 » Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:16 pm

Yeah, looking like a warm Christmas.
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Re: SE TX/SW LA Winter Wx- Can you say BRRRRRRR!

#1565 Postby vbhoutex » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:02 pm

The latest from Jeff Lindner:
Increasing chances for more needed rainfall over the next several days!

Current issue remains the very dense sea fog bank that has formed over the upper TX coastal waters. Warm moist air flowing over the chilled near shore waters has produced an extensive bank of sea fog along much of the LA coast into SE TX. SW edge of this fog is along a line from roughly Galveston to South Houston to near Tomball and eastward with visibilities running .25 of a mile or less along the coast and in the bay. Low level winds are expected to turn more SE to S today and this may help reduce the fetch of chilling time and saturation of the moist marine air over the colder waters and help break up the fog bank. Not overly convinced this will happen, and even if the extensive bank breaks up, expect smaller pockets of very dense fog to continue into Thursday.

Next front and storm system will move into the area late tonight-Friday morning as this highly active weather pattern continues. Very slow moving frontal boundary will arrive into our northern counties by sunrise on Thursday and very slowly cross the area during the day…taking all day if not into the evening to move to the coast. Moisture will pool along and behind the front and expect widespread showers and some thunderstorms spreading from north to south across the region on Thursday. Greatest rain chances may actually come in the colder air north of the front and ahead of the 850mb front where best lift will be found and think Thursday night into Friday morning will feature the highest chances as the next short wave in the SW US moves into the plains adding additional dynamics across the area. A few strong storms will be possible, but the severe threat looks low at this time. Rainfall amounts of .5 to 1.5 inches will be common over the region.

Active SW flow aloft will continue post front and upglide pattern of warm moist air atop the dense cold surface air will commence by later Friday. Isentropic lifting may be enough to continue to generate light rain Friday night and Saturday in the cold air. Will hold temperatures in the 50’s all day Saturday as clouds, drizzle and light rain stunt any warming trend. Overall looks to be shaping up for another cold and dreary weekend and rain chances may need to be raised even more toward the 50-60% range per latest GFS MOS guidance.

Models move the front back northward Sunday as a warm front, but they tend to mix warm front too fast northward especially if clouds and light rain is falling north of the boundary. This is in response to yet another upper level trough digging into the SW US. Temperatures on Sunday will be tricky with areas south of the warm front warming into the 70’s and areas north of the boundary holding in the 50’s. This storm system will eject eastward into the plains on Monday and with it a rapidly moving Pacific cold front. Favorable moisture and dynamics appear in place to produce a round of fast moving thunderstorms late Sunday into Monday. Depending on where the warm front ends up Sunday night we could see another…but shorter…period of dense sea fog near the coast late Sunday.

Clearing and colder Monday evening through next Wednesday as the upper level flow turns more zonal (WNW) instead of the moist SW upper flow of late. However the upper pattern continues to look progressive and active on the long range charts with additional storms system possible toward the end of next week around Christmas.
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Re: SE TX/SW LA Winter Wx- Can you say BRRRRRRR!

#1566 Postby vbhoutex » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:26 pm

Had 0.14" of rain yesterday evening. This morning we got another 0.26". Waiting on more. Radar is not promising at this time for the rest of the day. Some is better than none and based on Jeff's and some local OCM's progs we may have a cool wet weekend. We definitely still need the rain.
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Re: SE TX/SW LA Winter WX - Mild Weather Prevails

#1567 Postby vbhoutex » Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:06 pm

Well, so much for the cool wet weekend. :roll: We are getting some rain this evening that is welcome, but once again, not near enough to dent our drought. Supposedly we will get a squall line of sorts later, but based on radar currently I would say it will be meager at best, if it happens. Current progs have SE TX having a cold and wet Christmas. I definitely like the cold, the wet could wait a day or two.
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Re: SE TX/SW LA Winter WX - Mild Weather Prevails

#1568 Postby vbhoutex » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:11 pm

Latest from Jeff:
Highly active weather pattern will bring our next storm system into the area tonight and Thursday with more widespread soaking rainfall.

Water vapor images this morning shows the next upper level storm digging across northern MX and heading for SW TX. Mid and high level moisture is being tapped from the Pacific on the southern side of this feature and then spreading ENE/NE across much of TX. At the surface high pressure is starting to move eastward and this will combine with lowering pressures over the NW Gulf later today along the old frontal boundary to help return moisture rapidly across the area. Impressive isentropic lift comes to bear over the region after dark tonight as southerly winds overrun the surface cool pool in place. Clouds will rapidly thicken and lower this afternoon with rain starting to break out along the Rio Grande by late afternoon and spreading ENE across all of SC/SE and the coastal bend of TX overnight. Strong sub-tropical jet core aloft of 100-120kts will help promote strong lift in favorable region of the jet especially over the western and northern sections of SE TX. Modest instability will also develop above the surface cool dome with elevated thunderstorms possible especially toward daybreak Thursday as colder mid level temperatures advect into the region with the upper trough.

Will focus the heaviest rainfall along and just north of a line from Columbus to The Woodlands to Livingston where models are in very good agreement that sustained activity will develop. Entire area will see from .5-1.5 inches with the above mentioned corridor possibly seeing 1-2 inches. With grounds somewhat moist from recent rainfall, rains of this magnitude may actually generate some decent run-off into area watersheds resulting in some recovery of poor lake conditions.

Quick moving system should be east of the area by late Thursday with rain ending around noon and skies clearing by late afternoon. Cold front will surge into the area late Thursday/early Friday off the fresh snow pack over the western high plains bring polar air into TX for the holiday weekend. Continued split flow upper air pattern with southern stream SW US troughs ejecting into the southern plains reloads and repeats for this weekend, only with much colder air in place across TX. Clouds will be on the increase by late Friday as the next upper level storm moves into MX and starts to head eastward. Models have trended toward a drier solution for the weekend, but not sure this is in fact what is going to happen. Feel it is best to leave cloudy and cold conditions in place for Saturday with a threat of light rain especially south of I-10. Sunday may end up being cloudy and cold also if the trough hangs back to the west continuing the overrunning pattern. Temperature profiles for the weekend suggest all liquid over SE TX, but profiles are supportive of snow over portions of W/NW/N TX in the Friday-Sunday time frame…and some locations in this region of the state may see light snow and some accumulations over the holiday weekend. At this time where any accumulations will be confined to is difficult to determine, but meager moisture suggest what falls in these parts of the state would likely be on the light side.
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Re: SE TX/SW LA Winter WX - Cool/cold wet weekend?

#1569 Postby PTrackerLA » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:33 pm

Well looks like Christmas eve night into Christmas day are looking quite wet and cool (rainy with temps in low-mid 40s.) We need a little over an inch of rain before new years to avoid having the driest year EVER and it looks like we may actually pick up several inches tonight into tomorrow and again over the weekend. After the terrible drought this year I'll gladly take a cold and wet Christmas..at least we can dress warm and have the fireplace going! We can work on the frozen stuff in January :lol: .
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Re: SE TX/SW LA Winter WX - Cool/cold wet weekend?

#1570 Postby vbhoutex » Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:52 pm

I like the way you think PTrackerLA!! As much as I would love a white Christmas I will be happy with a cold wet one. We are still in the exceptional drought category and need everything we can get. Looks like we will get a nice dousing overnight into the morning tomorrow with the passage of another system and a probable coastal low forming. There is a good feed coming in from the Pacific as well as moisture being pumped North out of the GOM so we will have a wet column of atmosphere at all levels. When the lifting mechanism(shortwave?) comes across it should set off our rains. Over the weekend with the system after this one it appears there may be the possibility of some flakes here and there over N, C, and NE TX(and maybe SE TX most Northern counties). Thanks to the blizzard earlier this week there is snowpack to our N which will slow the modification of the incoming cold air. Rain or snow, I will be happy.
One piece of positive news today. The burn ban has been lifted in Harris County. That is a step in the right direction.

edit 12/22 am-1.57" of rain from the storms last night(very early this am). They started coming through around 2am this morning with initial very heavy downpours. Rain is over now and we're at 50f.
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#1571 Postby jasons2k » Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:44 am

I had 1.68" here - best rain in a long time :)
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Re: SE TX/SW LA Winter WX - Cool/cold wet weekend?

#1572 Postby PTrackerLA » Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:35 am

Well after getting the shaft with this past rain event (a whopping .29") we still need .84" by Jan 31st to not be the driest year EVER (35.80".) Looks like we'll get one more shot on Christmas Eve/Christmas of all days :lol: . NWS calling for 1"-3" areawide and the latest NAM seems to think we'll have no problem getting a few inches. We shall see! Merry Christmas everyone and here's to an exciting (and wet) 2012!
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Re: SE TX/SW LA Winter WX - Cool/cold wet weekend?

#1573 Postby vbhoutex » Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:25 pm

Here is the latest from Jeff Lindner:
Wet and cold holiday weekend in store for the region. For this year, unlike in 2004, SE TX will see no snow this Christmas, but it will feel very much like winter!

Upper level storm system dropping southward toward N MX this afternoon with downstream coastal trough starting to develop over the lower TX coast. While at the surface, cold air is filtering southward across the state creating a favorable pattern for a white Christmas over W TX and widespread rains over the rest of the state.

Clouds will thicken and lower tonight into early Saturday with best forcing from the developing coastal low coming to bear across the region Saturday PM/evening into Sunday morning. Expect widespread light rain and drizzle to develop late Saturday morning and become more frequent and heavy by Saturday evening. Heavy rainfall will be possible along with a few elevated thunderstorms especially south of US 59. Strong sub-tropical jet axis over the coastal region will support some decent rainfall amounts. Slower system is favored for the ejection of the upper trough out of MX and this will keep at least some rain chances going into Sunday AM until about the noonish hour. After that rains should be ending from SW to NE, but clouds will linger in Monday or until the upper storm shears across TX. Rainfall amounts look to average .5-1.0 inch through the weekend with isolated totals of 1-2 inches possible especially near the coast.

Due to the clouds and rainfall and gusty NE winds on the north side of the NW Gulf surface low feature, temperatures will be cold all day Saturday with highs likely in the 40’s making for a raw day. Sunday will feature lows in the upper 30’s and highs near 50. Temperatures will slowly warm into next week as a more zonal and less amplified upper air pattern develops over North America and a more typical La Nina result begins to surface.
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#1574 Postby CajunMama » Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:35 pm

Santa's bringing rain to the drought stricken south!!!!
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Re: SE TX/SW LA Winter WX - Cool/cold wet weekend

#1575 Postby MGC » Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:26 am

I hope it pours down. We need wet conditions so we will have a good crawfish season....MGC
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Re: SE TX/SW LA Winter WX - Cool/cold wet weekend

#1576 Postby vbhoutex » Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:30 am

We're getting some of our Christmas early. It has started raining/drizzling here in Houston. Thank you for the early Christmas present Santa. :cheesy:
The system(s) causing this are coming in slower than expected and staying longer than expected, so it does look like a wet and cold weekend. Too bad we don't a have a slam of cold air coming in. :(

edit(4:30pm)-and raining and raining.... and 43F :cold:

edit(9:30pm)-and raining and raining.... and 42F :cold:
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Re: SE TX/SW LA Winter WX - Cool/cold wet weekend

#1577 Postby ROCK » Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:26 pm

vbhoutex wrote:We're getting some of our Christmas early. It has started raining/drizzling here in Houston. Thank you for the early Christmas present Santa. :cheesy:
The system(s) causing this are coming in slower than expected and staying longer than expected, so it does look like a wet and cold weekend. Too bad we don't a have a slam of cold air coming in. :(

edit(4:30pm)-and raining and raining.... and 43F :cold:

edit(9:30pm)-and raining and raining.... and 42F :cold:




yeah I got 2in the other day but its started again last night and today. Radar is lighting up as well. Wet and cold aint too bad...as long as its not windy.... :D
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Re: SE TX/SW LA Winter WX - Cool/cold wet weekend

#1578 Postby vbhoutex » Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:13 am

ROCK wrote:
vbhoutex wrote:We're getting some of our Christmas early. It has started raining/drizzling here in Houston. Thank you for the early Christmas present Santa. :cheesy:
The system(s) causing this are coming in slower than expected and staying longer than expected, so it does look like a wet and cold weekend. Too bad we don't a have a slam of cold air coming in. :(

edit(4:30pm)-and raining and raining.... and 43F :cold:

edit(9:30pm)-and raining and raining.... and 42F :cold:




yeah I got 2in the other day but its started again last night and today. Radar is lighting up as well. Wet and cold aint too bad...as long as its not windy.... :D

Yes, thank goodness it wasn't windy!! That would have been unbearable. I reported a total of 1.05" from my gauge for yesterday's rains. Hoping we will have some clearing today.
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Re: SE TX/SW LA Winter WX - Cool/cold wet weekend

#1579 Postby wxman57 » Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:22 am

0.91" in Westbury (SW Houston). Don't expect to see the sun until Tuesday.
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Re: SE TX/SW LA Winter WX - Cool/cold wet weekend

#1580 Postby xironman » Sun Dec 25, 2011 11:45 am

Is all the rain you guys are getting because of the raging +AO? It is weird to see so much energy coming into the south during a nina.
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