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#241 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:02 pm

Clearwater is now down to 34F at 11pm with a dewpoint of 31F; definitely seems like a freeze warning should have been issued there. They had one last night and never got below 40F.

Other 11pm readings across central FL include 38F at Orlando International, 32F in Daytona Beach, and 31F at Cape Canaveral. Pretty chilly readings for it not even being midnight yet..
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#242 Postby psyclone » Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:04 pm

clearwater read rather warm last night and tonight the opposite appears to be taking place with the airport reading lower than tpa...it seems a bit anomalous as i am directly north of the airport and usually read cooler than that location but i have 39. the criteria for freeze warnings for the ruskin cwa is 3 or more hours below freezing...something that probably won't occur over the vast majority of pinellas sans perhaps the eastlake/brooker creek preserve area hence the lack of a freeze warning for pinellas. that said i do expect widespread frost as we had this morning.
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#243 Postby psyclone » Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:02 am

it is quite chilly out there tonight. down to 35 with some frost sparkling on car tops and grass in open areas. it is dead calm, the sky is clear and starry and there is a pall of smoke blanketing us from all the wood burning fireplaces in use. i feel like i'm back north! and as much as i have been enjoying my fireplace on these cold nights...i can't wait to say it's too warm for a fire tonight. december is destined to ge down as a very cold month despite the upcoming balmy new year's eve temps.
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#244 Postby gatorcane » Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:09 am

St. Pete Clearwater airport is 33f as of 12am eastern.

I wonder if the nws night crew will go with a freeze warning for central and northern pinellas?

Curiously, Tampa international is at 38f. Usually it's colder there than in pinellas. Could the thermometer be having an issue at St. Pete Clearwater?

But, according to nws Miami mesoscale analysis, there is indeed a pocket of 32f temps in northern pinellas as of 11pm eastern.

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/mfl/analysis/?type=T

Looks like there will be some damage to freeze intolerant vegetation across northern and central pinellas this time, though during the last freeze, it was mostly spared.
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#245 Postby psyclone » Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:23 am

don't think they'll go with a freeze warning for pinellas. freeze warnings are county wide things and the preponderance prevails. most of the county won't freeze but some spots will...and those folks know who they are. there's no freeze warning for lee county either but folks with sensitive vegetation in lehigh acres who don't take precautions do so at their own peril. it works in reverse too. manatee county has a freeze warning but folks on anna maria have no fear... again, it is a preponderance thing... the majority of the county will freeze so it gets a freeze warning. i don't doubt the thermometer there (at st pete clearwater). if anything this morning's relatively balmy low seemed more strange as i observed plenty of frost on the way to work today in that very area after 9 am. sometimes strange things happen in a dead still night with good radiational cooling. the difference between a light freeze and some frosty conditions that don't quite meet freeze criteria is negligible, particularly in light of the recent cold weather.
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#246 Postby gatorcane » Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:28 am

Its interesting to note that at Whitted airport in St. Petersburg, probably only 15 miles away from St. Pete Clearwater airport, it's 45f. Amazing microclimates around the tampa bay area. Whitted is also warmer than some locales across se Florida right now.
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#247 Postby psyclone » Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:42 am

whitted always reads warm on cold nights. perhaps their thermometer fell into the bay! it's not much warmer. you know it's been cold when not even the tourists dip their toes in the water at the beach.
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#248 Postby JonathanBelles » Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:03 am

I'm in Kenneth City and I'm reading 34 degrees outside right now. KPIE sits at 33 while KSPG is sitting on the bay at 45 degrees. My house is generally about 10-15 degrees colder than downtown St. Pete (KSPG).
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#249 Postby psyclone » Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:11 am

tpa has finally budged down to 36 while sarsota-bradenton has hit 32. with dewpoints not far behind expect another night of good frost formation.
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#250 Postby FLCrackerGirl » Wed Dec 29, 2010 3:12 am

29°F at 3am in Vero Beach. Freezing, Fog & Smoke, Yuck!
Brevard & Indian River Counties also under a Dense Smoke Warning from the 13000 acres fire at Three Forks Marsh Conservation Area, southwest of Palm Bay.

from nws melbourne:
... smoke has mixed with fog. The Florida Highway patrol reports Road closures to to the dense smoke and fog in extreme southern Brevard and Indian River counties.
The latest reports indicate Interstate 95 is closed from southern Brevard County at Malabar Road... or exit 173 south into northern Indian River County at State Road 512... or exit 160. Additional Road closures will be possible in southern Brevard and northern Indian River counties this morning. A light westerly wind is
allowing the smoke to drift toward the east... with hazardous visibility reductions being reported all the way to the coast.


from nws mlb conditions blog: robust heat signature on satellite
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/images/fxc/mlb/101229_0011.gif

fire clutter also visible on radar
http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=mlb
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#251 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:49 am

Florida low temperatures this morning (based on the latest info available)...

≤32F highlighted in light blue
≤27F highlighted in dark blue
≤22F highlighted in pink


West Palm Beach = 43F
Miami = 50F
Fort Myers = 37F
Key West = 54F
Orlando (MCO) = 24F
Orlando (Executive) = 30F
Sanford = 26F
Tampa = 34F
Brooksville = 17F
Plant City = 27F
Okeechobee County Airport = 32F
Melbourne = 30F
Daytona Beach = 26F
Ocala = 21F
Jacksonville (Intl. airport) = 26F
Tallahassee = 22F
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#252 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Wed Dec 29, 2010 10:25 am

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Re: Florida winter thread 2010-11

#253 Postby FireRat » Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:01 pm

The morning of the 28th, I recorded the coldest temp I've seen in West Broward (Sawgrass Mills area) since I've had the thermometer 7 years ago. It was 25.8 degrees at 6:30 AM and all the cars in the parking lot were frozen over, completely covered in ice 1/4 inch thick from windshields to roofs and even the exhaust pipes. Many bushes also were coated in ice, it looked like a winter wonderland! One of the most fascinating aspects were the patterns made by the frost on the windshields!

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Last night (29th early AM) the low temp here was 36 degrees at 1 AM, then the NE winds kicked in and rose it to 40 by 3 AM.
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#254 Postby HURAKAN » Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:08 pm

Very impressive!
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#255 Postby northjaxpro » Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:28 am

It is 31.2 degrees at 7:15 a.m. This is the 19th day this month that the temperature has reached or dipped below the freezing mark, which is just absolutely amazing. As already discussed, this has been the coldest December ever on record here in Jax and the peninsula in general. We have already surpassed the average total of number of freezes in an entire winter season here in Jax, which is 18.
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Re: Florida winter thread 2010-11

#256 Postby boca » Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:39 pm

I think were done with the cold fronts for awhile as the pattern is flipping to what La Nina is supposed to do here in Florida.
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#257 Postby HURRICANELONNY » Fri Dec 31, 2010 7:41 am

Hope so. Haven't looked at the long rangers. I think some posted. Possible change back in mid Jan. Have to see. HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!

Both GFS and European model (ecmwf) show the
next appreciable cold front arriving Saturday Jan 8th...but right
now they indicate only cooler conditions behind the
front...nothing "cold" like we've seen recently. Happy New Year!
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Re: Florida winter thread 2010-11

#258 Postby Patrick99 » Fri Dec 31, 2010 4:02 pm

I agree. Any winter I can remember that featured a very cold December, the rest of the winter was typically not that impressive, with more garden-variety "cold fronts" interspersed with warm periods. Also, based purely on experience, after about the first 3 weeks of January, the chances of significant winter weather in S. Florida start diminishing quickly.

We've had 3 significant Arctic intrusions. Plenty of years, we don't get those numbers over the course of an entire winter. Could be one of those cases when, at least for us in South-Central Florida, winter has already shown all of its real cards.
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Re: Florida winter thread 2010-11

#259 Postby HURRICANELONNY » Sat Jan 01, 2011 9:22 am

HAPPY NEW YEAR!
Personally. I'm not much of a fan of the GFS this far out. Probably 10-15 degrees too cold.

The 01.00z runs of the GFS and European model (ecmwf) are in good agreement until
Fri-Sat...at which time they differ significantly on the sharpness
of a trough taking shape over the eastern Continental U.S.. GFS is much more
amplified to the south...and now shows a fairly significant cold
push down the peninsula. However...the European model (ecmwf) continues much
milder. It does appear that temperatures will go below climatology by next
weekend behind the next cold front...just how far below is the
question

Knew the GFS was full of it:
Towards the later part of the week...a middle/upper low now moving
towards California is shown by both the GFS and European model (ecmwf) to combine
with a shortwave diving out of Canada. This develops low pressure
off the middle Atlantic Thursday with a cold front moving across
South Florida late Thursday...with some showers possible. The European model (ecmwf)
continues milder compared to the GFS...though recent GFS runs have
been trending towards the European model (ecmwf). So although cooler weather will
prevail Fri-sun..."cold" weather is not anticipated.
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Re: Florida winter thread 2010-11

#260 Postby SFLcane » Sat Jan 01, 2011 11:38 am

It does look like more colder weather for the second week of 2011, if the GFS is right. Of course, it's still pretty far out in time, but looks like a negative NAO pattern once again. The Climate Prediction Center stated in their December update that in the Jan-Mar following a highly negative NAO, 48% of those years the NAO remained mostly negative in the Jan-Mar period, which is higher than if it was a purely random signal (33%). Also, the long-range CFS model is indicating below normal temps for South Florida in January, followed by near normal in Feb and Mar. The CFS indicated below normal temps for December, which as we know verified! We'll see.

Happy New Year!!
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