The Yeah its Really October Nor'easter Discussion
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Last spring we had about that much wet snow sitting on our garage roof...it has a steel centre beam but we still worried and so got up there and did some shovelling. Some roofs in town collapsed under the weight but they were prolly built with a stupid flat roof (like our garage...but it at least has the steel beam). Any roof that doesn't have any steepness to it will be worrisome (our house roof is so steep it terrifies shinglers...its also 3 stories up). We will never ever shovel anything off it.
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brunota2003 wrote:The problem with underground lines is that they can be damaged too, and are much harder to fix. Tree roots will break them or tear them up in a heartbeat, then you have to find the break, dig it up, fix it and rebury it.
Just like sewer lines. You have trees, the roots will eventually find their way into them. In this case, I'd rather take my chances with the wires underground with the Nor'easters, winter storms and severe weather. I know too many people in older developments with the wires on poles that lose their power constantly.
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Stephanie wrote:brunota2003 wrote:The problem with underground lines is that they can be damaged too, and are much harder to fix. Tree roots will break them or tear them up in a heartbeat, then you have to find the break, dig it up, fix it and rebury it.
Just like sewer lines. You have trees, the roots will eventually find their way into them. In this case, I'd rather take my chances with the wires underground with the Nor'easters, winter storms and severe weather. I know too many people in older developments with the wires on poles that lose their power constantly.
Me too, being as I am one of those who loses power because the above ground lines are down.
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Re: The Yeah its Really October Nor'easter Discussion
The prior place that I rented all had wires above ground and I was losing power constantly..it didn't even have to be a bad storm. The house that I bought now has wires underground, in fact the electric box is on our lawn for the neighborhood. I don;t mind that we can see when PECO comes out to work on it.
Our power flickered but it never went out, thankfully! I know if I see was living in Philly or renting, it would still be out!
Our power flickered but it never went out, thankfully! I know if I see was living in Philly or renting, it would still be out!
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vbhoutex wrote:Stephanie wrote:brunota2003 wrote:The problem with underground lines is that they can be damaged too, and are much harder to fix. Tree roots will break them or tear them up in a heartbeat, then you have to find the break, dig it up, fix it and rebury it.
Just like sewer lines. You have trees, the roots will eventually find their way into them. In this case, I'd rather take my chances with the wires underground with the Nor'easters, winter storms and severe weather. I know too many people in older developments with the wires on poles that lose their power constantly.
Me too, being as I am one of those who loses power because the above ground lines are down.
If the media overhyped this event, would people have been better or worse prepared? Like if they mentioned this could be basically Hurricane Irene dressed as a ghost for Halloween...
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Re: The Yeah its Really October Nor'easter Discussion
For anyone interested, there's a Wikipedia article on it already! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Halloween_nor%27easter
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Re: The Yeah its Really October Nor'easter Discussion
One thing I believe is that one factor that made the storm so bad was Irene - millions upon millions of trees were likely weakened significantly during that storm, and that allowed the snow this weekend to finish the job. Yes, it would have been really bad regardless especially where they got the big numbers (i.e. over 12 inches), but that made it worse as the weakened trees did not stand a chance when weighted down by even the lesser amounts of snow (as little as 3-4 inches). The areas with the least tree damage relative to snow amounts (western Maryland, the Virginia highlands) were the areas hit least by Irene.
IMO, a Service Assessment Team should be set up by the NWS for this storm, if one hasn't already.
IMO, a Service Assessment Team should be set up by the NWS for this storm, if one hasn't already.
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Re: The Yeah its Really October Nor'easter Discussion
CrazyC83 wrote:One thing I believe is that one factor that made the storm so bad was Irene - millions upon millions of trees were likely weakened significantly during that storm, and that allowed the snow this weekend to finish the job. Yes, it would have been really bad regardless especially where they got the big numbers (i.e. over 12 inches), but that made it worse as the weakened trees did not stand a chance when weighted down by even the lesser amounts of snow (as little as 3-4 inches). The areas with the least tree damage relative to snow amounts (western Maryland, the Virginia highlands) were the areas hit least by Irene.
IMO, a Service Assessment Team should be set up by the NWS for this storm, if one hasn't already.
You could make the same argument that the trees were "pruned" by Irene and that without her this could even have worse. If memory serves in the past when all the hurricanes went across Florida in 2004 there was less new tree damage and power outage with each successive storm.
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CrazyC83 wrote:If the media overhyped this event, would people have been better or worse prepared? Like if they mentioned this could be basically Hurricane Irene dressed as a ghost for Halloween...
I don't think it was overhyped. I think that the amount of snow forecasted was starting to raise some eyebrows. If they described this storm like Hurricane Irene dressed as a ghost, I honestly wonder how many would've taken it as seriously. We've had Nor'easters here in October before, just not with snow. This was an anomoly, just like the many anomlies we've had the past few years with weather and earthquakes...
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PTPatrick wrote:CrazyC83 wrote:One thing I believe is that one factor that made the storm so bad was Irene - millions upon millions of trees were likely weakened significantly during that storm, and that allowed the snow this weekend to finish the job. Yes, it would have been really bad regardless especially where they got the big numbers (i.e. over 12 inches), but that made it worse as the weakened trees did not stand a chance when weighted down by even the lesser amounts of snow (as little as 3-4 inches). The areas with the least tree damage relative to snow amounts (western Maryland, the Virginia highlands) were the areas hit least by Irene.
IMO, a Service Assessment Team should be set up by the NWS for this storm, if one hasn't already.
You could make the same argument that the trees were "pruned" by Irene and that without her this could even have worse. If memory serves in the past when all the hurricanes went across Florida in 2004 there was less new tree damage and power outage with each successive storm.
I agree with your conclusion. in 2004 we had more tree damage from hurricane frances than jeanne even though jeanne delivered higher winds. Frances has culled the heard a few weeks prior. as bad as this was it would have been worse were it not for Irene's visit...there would have been more trees to fall. as for crazy's point regarding western maryland and western virginia...trees in these areas lose their foliage earlier...that's what saved these regions from more extensive damage imo as opposed to being spared by irene.
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Re: The Yeah its Really October Nor'easter Discussion
Here are snowfall and wind reports from the storm system for Northern Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, and Southwestern New Hampshire, courtsey of the NWS Boston office:
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PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT
SPOTTER REPORTS
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TAUNTON MA
354 AM EDT MON OCT 31 2011
THE FOLLOWING ARE UNOFFICIAL OBSERVATIONS TAKEN DURING THE PAST 30 HOURS
FOR THE STORM THAT HAS BEEN AFFECTING OUR REGION. APPRECIATION IS EXTENDED
TO HIGHWAY DEPARTMENTS...COOPERATIVE OBSERVERS...SKYWARN SPOTTERS
AND MEDIA FOR THESE REPORTS. THIS SUMMARY IS ALSO AVAILABLE ON OUR
HOME PAGE AT WEATHER.GOV/BOSTON
********************STORM TOTAL SNOWFALL********************
LOCATION STORM TOTAL TIME/DATE COMMENTS
SNOWFALL OF
/INCHES/ MEASUREMENT
CONNECTICUT
...HARTFORD COUNTY...
WINDSOR LOCKS 20.3 200 PM 10/30 BRADLEY AIRPORT
BRISTOL 17.0 1256 AM 10/30
EAST FARMINGTON HEIG 13.0 138 AM 10/30
BURLINGTON 12.5 806 AM 10/30 FINAL
WEST HARTFORD 11.5 742 AM 10/30 GENERAL PUBLIC
MANCHESTER 11.0 342 PM 10/30 HAM RADIO
ENFIELD 9.0 900 AM 10/30
SOUTH WINDSOR 8.0 730 AM 10/30
SOUTHINGTON 6.0 1205 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
...TOLLAND COUNTY...
COVENTRY 9.8 313 AM 10/30
VERNON 9.0 132 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
STORRS 6.5 918 AM 10/30
ROCKVILLE 4.0 1055 PM 10/29
...WINDHAM COUNTY...
POMFRET 8.0 911 AM 10/30
HAMPTON 6.0 629 AM 10/30
ASHFORD 6.0 1023 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
EAST KILLINGLY 5.8 727 AM 10/30
PUTNAM 3.0 1022 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
DANIELSON 2.5 926 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
MASSACHUSETTS
...BRISTOL COUNTY...
MANSFIELD 3.0 501 PM 10/30
TAUNTON 2.3 800 AM 10/30 NWS OFFICE
EAST RAYNHAM 1.3 854 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
ACUSHNET 0.8 936 AM 10/30
...ESSEX COUNTY...
METHUEN 5.0 730 AM 10/30
AMESBURY 5.0 1157 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
TOPSFIELD 4.0 759 AM 10/30
GEORGETOWN 3.0 1110 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
MARBLEHEAD 1.0 730 AM 10/30
...FRANKLIN COUNTY...
ASHFIELD 25.5 741 AM 10/30
HEATH 24.0 751 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
BUCKLAND 24.0 724 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
LEYDEN 22.0 855 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
SHELBURNE 21.9 1106 PM 10/29 GENERAL PUBLIC
COLRAIN 20.0 723 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
CHARLEMONT 19.0 805 AM 10/30 FINAL
ROWE 18.1 650 AM 10/30
GREENFIELD 13.5 1033 PM 10/29
LEVERETT 13.0 900 AM 10/30
WHATLEY 12.0 858 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
TURNERS FALLS 10.0 802 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
...HAMPDEN COUNTY...
2 S TOLLAND 25.0 715 AM 10/30
BLANDFORD 22.0 727 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
CHESTER 20.0 731 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
CHICOPEE 15.0 710 AM 10/30
SOUTHWICK 14.1 749 AM 10/30
SPRINGFIELD 14.0 729 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
...HAMPSHIRE COUNTY...
PLAINFIELD 30.8 810 AM 10/30
CHESTERFIELD 28.0 1017 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
GOSHEN 25.0 803 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
WORTHINGTON 24.0 730 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
WESTHAMPTON 19.3 103 AM 10/30
SOUTH HADLEY 8.0 1105 PM 10/29
...MIDDLESEX COUNTY...
TOWNSEND 18.0 1029 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
PEPPERELL 15.0 420 PM 10/30
GROTON 11.8 833 AM 10/30
SHIRLEY 10.0 900 AM 10/30
TYNGSBORO 9.8 145 PM 10/30 GENERAL PUBLIC
DRACUT 8.5 1109 AM 10/30
CHELMSFORD 7.5 106 AM 10/30
ARLINGTON 7.0 1018 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
WESTFORD 6.5 1048 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
SUDBURY 6.0 1206 PM 10/30
HUDSON 5.9 900 AM 10/30
FRAMINGHAM 5.2 1203 PM 10/30 HAM RADIO
WESTON 5.1 756 AM 10/30
NORTH WOBURN 5.0 700 AM 10/30
CARLISLE 5.0 1044 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
READING 5.0 1110 AM 10/30 NWS COOP
BURLINGTON 4.5 1019 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
NATICK 4.0 603 AM 10/30 GENERAL PUBLIC
WAKEFIELD 4.0 811 AM 10/30
AYER 4.0 1116 PM 10/29
ACTON 3.8 808 AM 10/30
CONCORD 3.0 947 AM 10/30
MELROSE 2.5 516 AM 10/30
MALDEN 2.0 136 AM 10/30
NEWTON 2.0 615 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
...NORFOLK COUNTY...
FOXBORO 6.5 807 AM 10/30 NWS EMPLOYEE
NORWOOD 4.3 800 AM 10/30 NWS EMPLOYEE
WALPOLE 4.0 504 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
RANDOLPH 2.2 920 AM 10/30
HOLBROOK 2.0 915 AM 10/30
...PLYMOUTH COUNTY...
BROCKTON 3.0 810 AM 10/30
...SUFFOLK COUNTY...
BOSTON 1.0 700 AM 10/30 LOGAN AIRFIELD
WINTHROP 1.0 700 AM 10/30
...WORCESTER COUNTY...
ROYALSTON 22.0 1005 AM 10/30
TEMPLETON 22.0 441 AM 10/30
ASHBURNHAM 21.0 359 AM 10/30
HUBBARDSTON 20.0 745 AM 10/30 GENERAL PUBLIC
PETERSHAM 18.5 120 PM 10/30
BARRE 16.3 1021 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
LEICESTER 16.0 501 AM 10/30
LEOMINSTER 15.5 100 PM 10/30
2 S LEOMINSTER CORNE 15.1 759 AM 10/30
NEW BRAINTREE 15.0 1020 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
HOLDEN 15.0 710 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
STERLING 15.0 601 AM 10/30 GENERAL PUBLIC
FITCHBURG 15.0 449 PM 10/30
WORCESTER 14.6 805 AM 10/30 ORH AIRPORT
BOYLSTON 13.8 1233 PM 10/30
NORTH BROOKFIELD 13.0 225 AM 10/30
WEST BOYLSTON 12.0 730 AM 10/30
HARVARD 12.0 602 AM 10/30
BROOKFIELD 12.0 853 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
SHREWSBURY 11.9 817 AM 10/30
CHARLTON 8.0 959 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
CLINTON 8.0 131 AM 10/30 GENERAL PUBLIC
MILFORD 7.0 1052 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
SOUTHBRIDGE 6.5 551 AM 10/30
DOUGLAS 6.0 957 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
NORTHBORO 5.5 852 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
UXBRIDGE 5.5 956 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
MENDON 5.0 1210 PM 10/30 HAM RADIO
WESTBOROUGH 5.0 1013 AM 10/30 NWS EMPLOYEE
HOPEDALE 3.5 904 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
NEW HAMPSHIRE
...CHESHIRE COUNTY...
JAFFREY 31.4 716 AM 10/30 FINAL NWS COOP
TROY 25.0 851 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
WEST SWANZEY 24.0 700 AM 10/30 COCORAHS
FITZWILLIAM 23.0 743 AM 10/30 NWS COOP
WINCHESTER 18.5 909 AM 10/30
KEENE 18.1 812 AM 10/30 FINAL NWS COOP
SWANZEY 14.5 838 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
MARLOW 14.0 645 AM 10/30 NWS COOP
HINSDALE 14.0 1017 AM 10/30
EAST ALSTEAD 13.0 530 AM 10/30
WALPOLE 11.2 855 AM 10/30
...HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY...
NEW IPSWICH 26.2 1100 AM 10/30 GENERAL PUBLIC
PETERBOROUGH 24.0 729 AM 10/30
HILLSBORO 21.5 102 AM 10/30
BEDFORD 20.8 557 AM 10/30 GENERAL PUBLIC
MILFORD 20.0 1102 AM 10/30
SOUTH WEARE 19.5 730 AM 10/30
MERRIMACK 19.0 750 AM 10/30
WILTON 14.0 1210 AM 10/30 GENERAL PUBLIC
NORTH WEARE 14.0 950 AM 10/30
NASHUA 11.0 1016 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
SOUTH HUDSON 9.6 835 AM 10/30
RHODE ISLAND
...KENT COUNTY...
WEST WARWICK 2.9 924 AM 10/30 GENERAL PUBLIC
WARWICK 2.3 200 PM 10/30 T F GREEN AIRPORT
...PROVIDENCE COUNTY...
WEST GLOCESTER 6.6 344 AM 10/30
NORTH FOSTER 6.5 550 AM 10/30
BURRILLVILLE 4.5 617 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
BURILLVILLE 4.5 634 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
GREENVILLE 4.0 857 AM 10/30 GENERAL PUBLIC
WOONSOCKET 3.8 843 AM 10/30
MANVILLE 3.5 700 AM 10/30 COCORAHS
PROVIDENCE/NORTH OPR 2.0 824 AM 10/30 GENERAL PUBLIC
CUMBERLAND 2.0 1032 PM 10/29 NWS EMPLOYEE
...WASHINGTON COUNTY...
WESTERLY 1.0 652 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
***********************PEAK WIND GUST***********************
LOCATION MAX WIND TIME/DATE COMMENTS
GUST OF
MPH MEASUREMENT
MASSACHUSETTS
...BARNSTABLE COUNTY...
BARNSTABLE 69 411 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
HARWICH 68 441 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
1 E PROVINCETOWN 64 530 AM 10/30 IN MAYFLOWER HEIGHTS
CHATHAM 62 215 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
SANDWICH 62 220 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
2 NE HYANNIS 60 317 AM 10/30 AIRPORT
CENTERVILLE 53 1221 AM 10/30
2 NW CHATHAM 53 346 AM 10/30 AIRPORT
...DUKES COUNTY...
3 S VINEYARD HAVEN 59 339 AM 10/30 AIRPORT
...ESSEX COUNTY...
ROCKPORT 49 114 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
MARBLEHEAD 45 730 AM 10/30
...NANTUCKET COUNTY...
2 ESE NANTUCKET 68 327 AM 10/30 AIRPORT
...PLYMOUTH COUNTY...
PLYMOUTH - PINEHILLS 56 949 AM 10/30
SCITUATE 55 210 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
4 SW PLYMOUTH 45 114 AM 10/30 AIRPORT
RHODE ISLAND
...BRISTOL COUNTY...
BARRINGTON 51 200 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
...NEWPORT COUNTY...
4 NE NEWPORT 53 140 AM 10/30 AIRPORT
NEWPORT 50 148 AM 10/30 HAM RADIO
***********************SUSTAINED WIND***********************
LOCATION WIND TIME/DATE COMMENTS
SPEED OF
MPH MEASUREMENT
MASSACHUSETTS
...BARNSTABLE COUNTY...
2 NE HYANNIS 43 239 AM 10/30 AIRPORT
HARWICH 36 1218 PM 10/30 HAM RADIO
2 NW CHATHAM 33 1009 PM 10/29
...DUKES COUNTY...
3 S VINEYARD HAVEN 43 227 AM 10/30 AIRPORT
...NANTUCKET COUNTY...
2 ESE NANTUCKET 53 330 AM 10/30 AIRPORT
...PLYMOUTH COUNTY...
4 SW PLYMOUTH 32 115 AM 10/30 AIRPORT
...SUFFOLK COUNTY...
1 N EAST BOSTON 31 246 AM 10/30 AIRPORT
RHODE ISLAND
...NEWPORT COUNTY...
4 NE NEWPORT 36 141 AM 10/30 AIRPORT
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