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Re: SW LA/SE TX Winter 2012-2013

#161 Postby vbhoutex » Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:10 pm

PT check your pm's.

Jeff says continued wet and cold:
Cold and Wet

Cold air mass is firmly entrenched over the area this morning with light rain and drizzle being reported along with some sleet mixing with the rainfall NW of a College Station to Giddings line.

Cold front that moved across the area early yesterday is now out over the NW Gulf of Mexico with warm moist SSW flow riding up and over the surface cold dome. Morning soundings from Lake Charles and Corpus show the surface cold dome is only about 2000-3000 feet deep above the surface with warm air (above freezing) extending up to near 13,000 ft. Fort Worth sounding is all below freezing so the front slope is shallow near the coast and then deepens inland falling below freezing just north of our northern row of counties…likely near the 850mb front. Fairly strong shortwave in the SW flow aloft has brought the formation of drizzle and light rainfall to the northern ½ of SE TX this morning. College Station has been reporting a light rain mixed with sleet this morning, but surface temperatures are in the mid 30’s and there will be no accumulation. This short wave will move east of the area by early afternoon ending the rainfall. Clouds may decrease late this afternoon with mostly cloudy to partly cloudy skies tonight.

Tuesday-Wednesday:

Models have trended toward the ECMWF solution over the past 24 hours or a stronger and more cut-off upper level storm system for the mid week period. This keeps the cold air locked into place and supports more widespread precipitation Tuesday night-Wednesday. Expect clouds to increase from southwest to northeast on Tuesday as strong lift begins to spread eastward out of MX into TX. Isentropic lifting of a moist Gulf air mass over the surface cold dome will support to develop of drizzle and light rainfall by Tuesday night. NAM model is much more aggressive in developing rainfall across the region while the GFS keeps most of the rainfall near the coast and very light. Other item of interest is the surface temperatures during the overnight and morning hours on Wednesday. Both the NAM and GFS show surface temperatures falling to near freezing (especially north of HWY 105) Wednesday morning, but this is a very shallow layer of potential sub freezing air only about 1000 to 2000 ft thick. Other questions surround the amount of dry air at the surface and the ability of precipitation to reach the ground if the near surface layer is fairly dry. All of this is further complicated by the fact that the dry surface layer can be cooled a few degrees by precipitation falling into this layer. To even further complicate the issue, with the large area of warm air aloft, rain drops falling through this warm layer could offset any near surface evaporative cooling. Would like to see additional model runs help fine tune the freezing line and come into better agreement with both the precipitation placement and amounts before thinking about any freezing rain across the area for Wednesday morning.

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Main upper level system should progress east of the area on Thursday with decreasing clouds and slowly warming temperatures. Cloudy and cold conditions will be replaced with partly cloudy and warmer conditions. Highs will warm from the 40’s today-Wednesday into the 50’s Thursday-Sunday. Long range forecast models have been suggesting a surge of very cold arctic air deep into the US for the week of the 21st. While the pattern seems to support a cold air outbreak into the US, the trajectory of the incoming cold air is aimed more toward the MS valley and eastern US with a glancing blow expected for the southern plains. Will follow this line of thinking and support a strong cold frontal passage early next week, but keep the brunt of the arctic air NE of TX.
Woke up to 36f and light rain/drizzle/mist this morning. We're now in a heat wave with the temp soaring to 40f. I just heard a local OCM mention the possibility of "wintry precipitation" the next 2 mornings. Guess I'll have to do some checking of models, etc.
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#162 Postby BigB0882 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:07 pm

The 12z GFS shows snowfall right along the I-10 corridor from Central Louisiana all the way into Alabama. Mississippi receives some snowfall from top to bottom almost. This is an interesting trend and definitely deserves monitoring. Very light snowfall but that is par for the course around these parts.
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#163 Postby Stormcenter » Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:55 pm

Can you please post a link. Thanks!


BigB0882 wrote:The 12z GFS shows snowfall right along the I-10 corridor from Central Louisiana all the way into Alabama. Mississippi receives some snowfall from top to bottom almost. This is an interesting trend and definitely deserves monitoring. Very light snowfall but that is par for the course around these parts.
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Re: SW LA/SE TX Winter 2012-2013

#164 Postby PTrackerLA » Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:09 pm

Well hey there cold core upper level low :wink:


12z Euro:

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#165 Postby PTrackerLA » Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:41 pm

Side note of our current weather. The temperature has now dropped down to 40 with a dewpoint of 37 and we started out the morning at 45. Alexandria is hovering at 35 degrees...hard to see how there's not some frozen precip north of here tonight.
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#166 Postby bella_may » Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:06 pm

BigB0882 wrote:The 12z GFS shows snowfall right along the I-10 corridor from Central Louisiana all the way into Alabama. Mississippi receives some snowfall from top to bottom almost. This is an interesting trend and definitely deserves monitoring. Very light snowfall but that is par for the course around these parts.


Seriously? Tonight?
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#167 Postby BigB0882 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:14 pm

Not tonight. In about 70 hours from when 12z ran.
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#168 Postby bella_may » Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:31 pm

BigB0882 wrote:Not tonight. In about 70 hours from when 12z ran.


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#169 Postby WX5DBZ » Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:39 pm

PTrackerLA wrote:Side note of our current weather. The temperature has now dropped down to 40 with a dewpoint of 37 and we started out the morning at 45. Alexandria is hovering at 35 degrees...hard to see how there's not some frozen precip north of here tonight.


With the current forecast soundings, it looks the best chance for frozen precip will be freezing rain from Alexandria and north. You may see a flake or 2 of snow around Shreveport, but the warm nose aloft is too extensive for much other than freezing rain. I will say that is one nice frontal inversion.
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#170 Postby JSDS » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:54 pm

Brrrr!!! Our low for tonight is supposed to be 40 degrees. Currently at my house, it is 36....and still raining. On top of the 10" since last Tuesday evening, we have had another 3" just since yesterday afternoon, and it is still coming down pretty hard. Just for the record, I am not in favor of the cold air/moisture combo unless it is in the form of snow :(
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Re: SW LA/SE TX Winter 2012-2013

#171 Postby CYCLONE MIKE » Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:06 pm

This is the worst kind of winter weather possible. Like others around here have said temp is between 39-40 with a band of moderate rain moving through. Once this moves through will have received about 2 inches today. I am with wxman. If it is going to be like this would rather 60-70 so I can go fishing, this is useless. IMO don't think anyone around I-10 will see any kind of frozen precip. Lows are not forecast to get to freezing and some pretty mild air aloft streaming in from the gulf. Plus over the last month we have not once got as cold as the forecast lows were predicted either.

(Edit) Just read our NWS discussion concerning winter weather so figured would post part of it

FORTUNATELY...OVERNIGHT LOWS WILL
ONLY COOL INTO THE UPPER 30S AND LOWER 40S DUE TO THE CLOUDS AND
RELATIVELY HIGH DEWPOINTS IN THE 30S AND LOWER 40S. THUS...DO NOT
EXPECT TO SEE ANY FROZEN PRECIP DEVELOP IN THE FORECAST AREA
THROUGH WEDNESDAY.

.LONG TERM...

HEADING INTO WEDNESDAY NIGHT AND THURSDAY MORNING...CONDITIONS
WILL BEGIN TO TRANSITION AS A FAST MOVING UPPER LEVEL LOW TRACKS
OUT OF THE FOUR CORNERS AND SWINGS THROUGH THE LOWER MISSISSIPPI
VALLEY. THE COLD CORE OF THE UPPER LEVEL LOW IS EXPECTED TO SWEEP
ACROSS NORTHERN LOUISIANA AND CENTRAL MISSISSIPPI. THIS COLD CORE
WILL DRIVE TEMPERATURES DOWN ACROSS THE FORECAST AREA...AND ONLY
EXPECT TO SEE DAYTIME HIGHS IN THE LOWER TO MIDDLE 40S ACROSS THE
REGION THURSDAY AFTERNOON. MODEL SOUNDINGS INDICATE THAT WET BULB
ZERO TEMPERATURES AND FREEZING LEVELS WILL DROP CONSIDERABLY EARLY
THURSDAY MORNING. WET BULB HEIGHTS DROP TO AROUND 1000 TO 1500
FEET ACROSS SOUTHWEST MISSISSIPPI...NORTHERN SECTIONS OF METRO
BATON ROUGE...AND THE NORTHERN PORTIONS OF THE FLORIDA PARISHES
BETWEEN 06Z AND 18Z. SURFACE TEMPERATURES ARE EXPECTED TO BE JUST
ABOVE FREEZING IN THESE AREAS...SO ANY ACCUMULATION WOULD BE
LIMITED. LOOKING AT THE FORECAST MODELS...THE NAM IS MOST BULLISH
ON THE PROSPECT OF SEEING SOME FROZEN PRECIP...MOST LIKELY
SLEET...DEVELOP OVER THESE AREAS FOR A BRIEF PERIOD. THE EURO AND
GFS HAVE LESS OVERALL MOISTURE IN PLACE AND THUS DO NOT SHOW ANY
SLEET IMPACTING THE AREA. GIVEN THE MODEL DIFFERENCES AND OVERALL
LOW FORECAST CONFIDENCE IN SEEING SLEET OR SNOW DEVELOP...HAVE
OPTED TO NOT INCLUDE IT IN THE FORECAST AT THIS TIME.
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Re: SW LA/SE TX Winter 2012-2013

#172 Postby PTrackerLA » Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:20 am

Looks like the NAM has backed off of the precip as the upper low moves over us pretty much eliminating any shot of frozen precip we had. Still wouldn't be shocked to see a flurry Wednesday night.
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Re: SW LA/SE TX Winter 2012-2013

#173 Postby Stormcenter » Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:35 am

That's a good sign because we all know history has proven that most Winter percip events in the south are never accurately predicted by the models. :lol:


PTrackerLA wrote:Looks like the NAM has backed off of the precip as the upper low moves over us pretty much eliminating any shot of frozen precip we had. Still wouldn't be shocked to see a flurry Wednesday night.
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Re: SW LA/SE TX Winter 2012-2013

#174 Postby vbhoutex » Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:58 am

From Jeff Lindner:


Light freezing rain and freezing drizzle had developed over the northern counties of SE TX this morning. Temperatures at 500am were in the mid 30’s and have cooled to 32 at both Huntsville and Crockett. Wind devices at both sites have gone calm even though a decent N wind is blowing suggesting ice as formed and encased the anemometer. Profiles across the area continue to support mainly freezing rain and freezing drizzle north of a College Station to Huntsville to Trinity line where surface temperatures are at or below freezing. Ob sites have also been reporting a little bit of sleet in this area, but most of this is likely very short lived.

Should see surface temperatures rise above freezing by noon over those northern impacted areas with any ice melting. Main question then becomes tonight into Wednesday morning. Upper level storm system will be moving across TX tonight, but moisture throughout the air column will be decreasing as the stronger lift arrives. Surface temperatures are expected to run a few degrees cooler Wednesday morning than this morning suggesting at least the northern 1/3rd of the area (north of HWY 105) will be at or below freezing. Could see the light drizzle and light rain continue into the evening hours and then mainly end prior to the onset of any sub freezing temperatures over our northern counties. Profiles show the cold pocket of air aloft associated with the upper level system moving across the area early Wednesday into Wednesday and this will cool the entire air column (especially above the surface). Moisture looks extremely limited by this point and do not expect precipitation much beyond midnight tonight. Ingredients are not in phase to produce a winter weather event across SE TX tonight into early Wednesday….unless more moisture can be found and brought into the region Wednesday morning.

Extended:

Clearing skies and much warmer weather for the end of the week into the weekend with highs reaching into the 60’s and lows in the 40’s.

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Re: SW LA/SE TX Winter 2012-2013

#175 Postby CYCLONE MIKE » Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:29 pm

Well looks like all hope of anything frozen is all but gone now according to models and our NWS office

CONCERNING THE POTENTIAL FOR ANY WINTRY PRECIP WITH THIS UPPER
LEVEL FEATURE...ALL OF THE MODEL GUIDANCE NOW AGREES THAT
SUFFICIENT MOISTURE FOR ANY PRECIP WILL BE WELL OUT OF THE AREA BY
THE TIME THE AIRMASS BECOMES COLD ENOUGH TO SUPPORT FROZEN PRECIP
DEVELOPMENT. THUS...HAVE NOT PUT ANY MENTION OF WINTRY PRECIP IN
THE FORECAST.

Also regarding the future cold looks like we don't have much chance at anything in the future either. Typical winter let down around here. At least rain chances are finally dropping but will take weeks to fully dry out. Have had more than 12" of rain this month.

A STRONG POLAR VORTEX WILL DEVELOP OVER THE HUDSON BAY OF CANADA
EARLY NEXT WEEK. THIS WILL DRIVE A MUCH COLDER ARCTIC AIRMASS INTO
THE EASTERN THIRD OF THE CONUS EARLY NEXT WEEK. FORTUNATELY...THE
MODEL GUIDANCE SHOWS THAT THE BRUNT OF THIS VERY COLD AIRMASS WILL
SHIFT TO THE EAST AND MAINLY AFFECT THE MIDWEST AND MID ATLANTIC
STATES. THE GULF SOUTH WILL BE BRUSHED BY THIS AIRMASS...AND
TEMPERATURES WILL COOL FOR MONDAY AND TUESDAY IN THE WAKE OF A DRY
FRONTAL PASSAGE SUNDAY NIGHT. HIGHS WILL COOL INTO THE UPPER 40S
AND LOWER 50S FOR MONDAY AND TUESDAY. OVERNIGHT LOWS WILL COOL
INTO THE MIDDLE TO UPPER 50S NORTH OF THE INTERSTATE 10 CORRIDOR
WITH LOWER TO MIDDLE 30S IN METRO NEW ORLEANS AND ALONG THE
LOUISIANA COAST.

Nothing worth getting excited about :cry:
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#176 Postby Kennethb » Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:30 pm

Not going to get wintry precip in south Louisiana with the temperature along the coast still in the 70's.
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Re: SW LA/SE TX Winter 2012-2013

#177 Postby vbhoutex » Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:04 am

Nice day in Houston if you like waking up to rain and drizzle and 36f and dropping. Temp never went above that 36f all day long and finally settled between 34f and 36f. I call that RAW when there is also a Northerly breeze with it. Oh, if anyone has seen a bright orb in the sky, we are missing one in SE TX. :roll: :cold:
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Re: SW LA/SE TX Winter 2012-2013

#178 Postby LaBreeze » Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:16 am

vbhoutex wrote:Nice day in Houston if you like waking up to rain and drizzle and 36f and dropping. Temp never went above that 36f all day long and finally settled between 34f and 36f. I call that RAW when there is also a Northerly breeze with it. Oh, if anyone has seen a bright orb in the sky, we are missing one in SE TX. :roll: :cold:

Sky? You mean there is still a sky?! :eek:
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Re: SW LA/SE TX Winter 2012-2013

#179 Postby vbhoutex » Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:19 am

LaBreeze wrote:
vbhoutex wrote:Nice day in Houston if you like waking up to rain and drizzle and 36f and dropping. Temp never went above that 36f all day long and finally settled between 34f and 36f. I call that RAW when there is also a Northerly breeze with it. Oh, if anyone has seen a bright orb in the sky, we are missing one in SE TX. :roll: :cold:

Sky? You mean there is still a sky?! :eek:

Honestly, I am not sure. Haven't seen anything resembling sky in several days. :eek: :cheesy:
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Re: SW LA/SE TX Winter 2012-2013

#180 Postby SaskatchewanScreamer » Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:25 am

vbhoutex wrote:Nice day in Houston if you like waking up to rain and drizzle and 36f and dropping. Temp never went above that 36f all day long and finally settled between 34f and 36f. I call that RAW when there is also a Northerly breeze with it. Oh, if anyone has seen a bright orb in the sky, we are missing one in SE TX. :roll: :cold:


You fellows are a strange lot. For months and months (or should I say years) you've been praying for rain and now you're getting it yet you are complaining even more!!! :roll:
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