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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#3901 Postby orangeblood » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:35 pm

Right on cue, 1060 + HP's showing up in western Canada....I know its long range but almost always a sign of Arctic Outbreaks

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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#3902 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:17 pm

Holy moly, with NW flow too, that would come smack down into the plains. Im starting to notice that when GFS see something after 300hrs, if it actually does verify in some form or fashion, it comes a week or so later. It usually is a bit early with things. This is not because im biased and need some -PNA in 10 days :)
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#3903 Postby TheProfessor » Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:25 pm

I for one am excited for some NW flow and a clipper train. Unfortunately NW isn't typically a good set up for Texas.
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#3904 Postby Ntxw » Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:26 pm

I'm not too concerned with the -EPO. Seasonal trend suggest its return is likely and cold air is not a problem. It has ensemble support even if 300hrs, GFS is likely picking up Pacific changes.

My biggest concern is too progressive a PNA, playing with fire when the ridge is inside the west coast. Really hoping the tropical pacific delivers an STJ, only thing worse than warm and dry is cold and dry while watching a dry storm pass and blowup east of the Mississippi. Benefit of +pna is it wont shoot back up to 70 the week after
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#3905 Postby TheProfessor » Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:39 pm

Ntxw wrote:I'm not too concerned with the -EPO. Seasonal trend suggest its return is likely and cold air is not a problem. It has ensemble support even if 300hrs, GFS is likely picking up Pacific changes.

My biggest concern is too progressive a PNA, playing with fire when the ridge is inside the west coast. Really hoping the tropical pacific delivers an STJ, only thing worse than warm and dry is cold and dry while watching a dry storm pass and blowup east of the Mississippi. Benefit of +pna is it wont shoot back up to 70 the week after


And to be honest for me, If I want a big storm(which I do) I need to be on the Eastern side of the trough, although I do get clippers when the trough sets up further east, The bigger storms end up on the east coast. The problem with hoping for a bigger storm is that you have to have it phased, and when you're further inland you have to hope that it doesn't transfer too early.
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#3906 Postby Hurricane_Apu » Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:31 pm

TheProfessor wrote:
Ntxw wrote:The bigger storms end up on the east coast. The problem with hoping for a bigger storm is that you have to have it phased, and when you're further inland you have to hope that it doesn't transfer too early.


Look up the weather maps for 3/8/08. That's how it's done.
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#3907 Postby gatorcane » Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:55 pm

Posted in Florida thread but check out the latest ECMWF, animated GIF below, that should bring some cold temps to Texas and the SE US as well as Florida

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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#3908 Postby wxman57 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:00 pm

Days 8-10 EC indicate temps to the mid 30s in the D-FW area and near 40 in Houston. Colder than it has been, but not very noteworthy. The source region is just not very cold (yet).
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#3909 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:01 pm

Any precip within that period of the Euro? Looks very cold.
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#3910 Postby Ntxw » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:17 pm

TeamPlayersBlue wrote:Any precip within that period of the Euro? Looks very cold.


Euro at the surface is dry. NW flow
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#3911 Postby wxman57 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:34 pm

TeamPlayersBlue wrote:Any precip within that period of the Euro? Looks very cold.


It's not cold air. The only sub-freezing temps are in the NW Panhandle.

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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#3912 Postby JDawg512 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:46 pm

weatherdude1108 wrote:
Portastorm wrote:Rain Miser (JDawg512) is doing good work here. About 4" of rain at the PWC in the last week and about 1.8" of that has fallen in the last 24 hours. Liquid gold!

Sure seems like El Nino at the moment.


Yes indeed he is! I have gotten 1.5 inches in the last 24 hours, with an inch on top of that with the prior days' rains. 2.5 inches give or take in the last couple days.
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Of course I have standing water in the yard now, with no living vegetation to soak it up.



Fell asleep while working on my rain machine so it kept running all night... :lol:

It was just wave after wave that basically trained over the same areas right up the I-35 corridor. Got a total of 2.71 inches from yesterday's and this morning's rainfall which makes me the winner lol. The highest amounts in the metro fell right through the heart of Austin. Camp Mabry broke an all time daily rainfall record for Jan 17th. I'll update my total for the entire event tomorrow morning since there's one more chance for showers overnight and then I'll call it a wrap.

It's time to shut the rain machine down for a bit. Soils are at saturation so no point in getting much more than what we already got. We don't need flooding issues like they are seeing in Houston. Hope everyone stays safe over there...

Hey weatherdude1108, might I suggest that you look into getting some native winter grass seed for your lawn which grows green this time of year. That's what I have growing in much of my back yard. Still working on other sections since I'm in the process of converting my entire landscape to native species. Stays green, grows through winter and will help to lessen runoff and soak up standing puddles more quickly.
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#3913 Postby Ntxw » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:37 pm

-50s today in interior Alaska including fairbanks. Time to open the freezer door to counter wxman57's thermostat...

We just have to be patient until the last days of this month. I think this thread will be buzzing again by then. The processes in motion to deliver cold and snow working themselves out now.
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#3914 Postby ThunderSleetDreams » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:21 pm

Let 'er rip!

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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#3915 Postby wxman57 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:49 pm

Ntxw wrote:-50s today in interior Alaska including fairbanks. Time to open the freezer door to counter wxman57's thermostat...

We just have to be patient until the last days of this month. I think this thread will be buzzing again by then. The processes in motion to deliver cold and snow working themselves out now.


I LOVE it when it's very cold in Alaska (in winter), as that always means it's warm here. Hope it stays cold there through March.
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#3916 Postby Golf7070 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:22 pm

ThunderSleetDreams wrote:Let 'er rip!

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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#3917 Postby Golf7070 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:45 pm

Ntxw, I know the first trough will be too far east to effect us alot but do we wait until the mjo gets in the more favorable phases and or the epo ridge to rebuild? I think we have a little better mjo signal than we have had in a while imo
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#3918 Postby bubba hotep » Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:54 pm

12z GEFS was encouraging in the longer range but the 12z Euro EPS was less so. Also, 18z GFS is a train wreck beyond D10...
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#3919 Postby Golf7070 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:28 pm

bubba hotep wrote:12z GEFS was encouraging in the longer range but the 12z Euro EPS was less so. Also, 18z GFS is a train wreck beyond D10...


Bubba, what timeframe you looking at before the alutian / Alaskan ridge rebuilds? Just curious. Like I alluded to, the first trough looks too far east for us with +pna
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#3920 Postby Ntxw » Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:47 pm

Golf7070 wrote:Ntxw, I know the first trough will be too far east to effect us alot but do we wait until the mjo gets in the more favorable phases and or the epo ridge to rebuild? I think we have a little better mjo signal than we have had in a while imo


MJO teleconnects well to the PNA/West coast pattern as well wet and dry periods. We're going to get the most of it. For cold you need the EPO to cooperate. While there is an MJO connection, EPO is more large scale hemispheric patterns such as pressures over Siberia, east asian jet, mountain torque etc that drives it.
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