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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8901 Postby bubba hotep » Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:57 pm

FWD has started working the WWA eastward by adding Denton and Grayson.

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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8902 Postby Ntxw » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:02 pm

Brent wrote:its been so warm here anyway even if there was ice in DFW I doubt it'd be that significant(certainly not on the ground). But most likely its just a very cold miserable rain


Hey now! We are begging for rain. What it could've been, had an ULL crossed! All that qpf in snow! One can dream...

Still -NAO/-AO blocking. Long shot but if you want a hail mary in March, better to have that than not!
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Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8903 Postby jasons2k » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:03 pm

We are expecting a lot fo rain here in the Houston area. Carefully watching the storms to the SW. That front is pretty stout. Up in Waco - Waco Regional is at 47F. Across the freeway at TSTC it's 72F and the wind just shifted there.

Here is an update from Jeff Lindner:

Chances for heavy rainfall increasing late tonight into Wednesday morning across the central portions of the area.

Carefully watching nose of strong upper level disturbance ejecting out of MX across S TX with rapid development of convection. Evening CRP soundings showed an incredible PW of 1.81 inches which is off the charts for this time of year and certainly with this type of moisture intense hourly rainfall rates are possible. Meso scale models are struggling with the small scale features that could result in a period of banding heavy rainfall near/around the US 59 corridor on Wednesday morning.

Widespread amounts of 2-3 inches with isolated totals up to 5 inches will be possible. Intense rainfall rates of 1-2 inches per hour or even greater will be possible which will induce street flooding in the urban areas. Significant rises on area creeks and bayous will be possible especially with short term intense rainfall rates of 3-4 inches in a couple of hours. Widespread totals of 4-5 inches over any watershed will likely result in near bankfull conditions…these amounts currently appear to be on the higher end, but given the air mass moving up the coast toward the area cannot discount totals greater than 3 inches.

It is certainly possible that the morning rush hour could be impacted.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8904 Postby Captmorg70 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:07 pm

Flood Watch, Flood Advisory, and WWA in Denton County. Sounds like a late feb storm in NTX :lol:

Had ~ 2.5 in rain imby at 5:30 today
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8905 Postby Brent » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:09 pm

Ntxw wrote:
Brent wrote:its been so warm here anyway even if there was ice in DFW I doubt it'd be that significant(certainly not on the ground). But most likely its just a very cold miserable rain


Hey now! We are begging for rain. What it could've been, had an ULL crossed! All that qpf in snow! One can dream...

Still -NAO/-AO blocking. Long shot but if you want a hail mary in March, better to have that than not!


you know lost in the chaos of this evening travelling back I did realize at some point on the interstate "hey its actually raining here, thats new"

:roflmao:
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8906 Postby opticsguy » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:12 pm

Rain gauge about to overflow. 4.5" since last night. HRRR shows more coming.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8907 Postby bubba hotep » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:29 pm

Freezing line has pushed through Bowie and is approaching the Decatur to Gainesville line but moving pretty slow.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8908 Postby Jarodm12 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:32 pm

bubba hotep wrote:Freezing line has pushed through Bowie and is approaching the Decatur to Gainesville line but moving pretty slow.


the question becomes how far can it push.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8909 Postby South Texas Storms » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:37 pm

The latest radar and model trends are very dissapointing for central TX. It looks like we're going to get missed both north and south with the heavy rain. What a huge model bust this will be if it happens. I was looking forward to this rain event for weeks and now it's just a shame. I wish I didn't get so emotionally attached to the weather :lol:
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8910 Postby 1900hurricane » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:40 pm

The 00Z OUN sounding, which shows the upstream airmass, still has a very significant warm nose, for what it is worth. By the time it gets cold enough at the surface for sleet/freezing rain, it might start to dry out some aloft, like in this sounding.

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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8911 Postby downsouthman1 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:54 pm

South Texas Storms wrote:The latest radar and model trends are very dissapointing for central TX. It looks like we're going to get missed both north and south with the heavy rain. What a huge model bust this will be if it happens. I was looking forward to this rain event for weeks and now it's just a shame. I wish I didn't get so emotionally attached to the weather :lol:

Have some hope. I think the front will do its thing overnight as it slowly pushes into CTX.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8912 Postby weatherdude1108 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:26 pm

downsouthman1 wrote:
South Texas Storms wrote:The latest radar and model trends are very dissapointing for central TX. It looks like we're going to get missed both north and south with the heavy rain. What a huge model bust this will be if it happens. I was looking forward to this rain event for weeks and now it's just a shame. I wish I didn't get so emotionally attached to the weather :lol:

Have some hope. I think the front will do its thing overnight as it slowly pushes into CTX.

This is the last update I saw from the EWX. They were being hopeful of rain, at least earlier:

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FXUS64 KEWX 210234
AFDEWX

Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service Austin/San Antonio TX
834 PM CST Tue Feb 20 2018

.UPDATE...
Showers and thunderstorms are becoming more widespread south of our
CWA and beginning to spread into our southeastern counties.
Thunderstorms moving off the mountains west of Val Verde County look
to be decreasing. Short range models show this development to
continue through the rest of the evening. We expect the showers and
thunderstorms from the south to continue moving northward into the
much of the area east of Hwy 83. At the same time, the cold front
will move southward toward our northern area. It is currently through
Waco to San Angelo. It should reach Austin by around 1 AM. The will
provide added lift for showers and thunderstorms. The only changes to
the forecast are adjusting the hourly grids to account for
observational trends.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8913 Postby Texas Snowman » Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:52 pm

The Austin College weather station in central Grayson County has recorded 3.02 inches of rain today...and it is still raining.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8914 Postby Haris » Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:52 pm

CTX shouldn't be disappointed. I think ingredients will come together for some good rains tonight. Plenty of moisture and lift. :)
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8915 Postby Ralph's Weather » Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:05 am

Finally getting back into the rain now, I have only had 0.5:" so far. Temp here has dropped from 70 at 10PM to 55 at 11PM.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8916 Postby bubba hotep » Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:06 am

We have been getting hammered IMBY and are probably pushing 6"+
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8917 Postby 1900hurricane » Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:09 am

Here's a pretty sweet GOES-16 loop of the current action from RAMMB's SLIDER (time sensitive). Notice the increase in cold cloud tops. Looks like things are only just getting started.

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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8918 Postby downsouthman1 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:16 am

1900hurricane wrote:Here's a pretty sweet GOES-16 loop of the current action from RAMMB's SLIDER (time sensitive). Notice the increase in cold cloud tops. Looks like things are only just getting started.

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It's actually good news that the original south Texas MCS sheared apart, that way it wrong steal moisture from the front. I know it reformed but is way less intense. Also it's grown in size and moving more northerly over time.

Austin radar now! Coming from north and south.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8919 Postby 1900hurricane » Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:30 am

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MESOSCALE PRECIPITATION DISCUSSION 0021
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD
1038 PM EST TUE FEB 20 2018

AREAS AFFECTED...CENTRAL AND NORTHEAST TEXAS

CONCERNING...HEAVY RAINFALL...FLASH FLOODING POSSIBLE

VALID 210336Z - 210930Z

SUMMARY...FLASH FLOODING WILL BE POSSIBLE OVERNIGHT ACROSS
PORTIONS OF TEXAS. ANY TRAINING RAIN BANDS OR THUNDERSTORMS WOULD
HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO PRODUCE RAIN RATES ON THE ORDER OF 1-2
IN/HR. IF SUSTAINED FOR SEVERAL HOURS...FLASH FLOODING COULD OCCUR.

DISCUSSION...A SURFACE COLD FRONT EXTENDED IN AN ARC FROM THE
NORTHEAST CORNER OF TEXAS NEAR PARIS...TO THE SW AND THEN WSW TO
THE I-10 CORRIDOR IN TEXAS HILL COUNTRY. THE COLD FRONT WAS SLOWLY
ADVANCING...AND BY 03Z HAD GENERALLY UNDERCUT THE ONGOING
CONVECTION ACROSS NORTH TEXAS. ALTHOUGH THAT REGION (AROUND THE
DFW METRO AREA) HAS SEEN SURFACE TEMPERATURES FALL AND BOUNDARY
LAYER INSTABILITY BECOME MORE LIMITED...IT IS STILL WELL WITHIN
THE PLUME OF DEEP MOISTURE. ADDITIONALLY...OBJECTIVE RAP ANALYSIS
SHOWED 200-500 J/KG OF MUCAPE AVAILABLE AS THE COLD FRONT WAS
NEGATIVELY TILTED BACK INTO THE COLD AIRMASS...WITH THE 850MB
FRONT SITUATED WELL TO THE NORTHWEST. THEREFORE...CONVECTION WILL
REMAIN POSSIBLE FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL HOURS...ALTHOUGH RAIN RATES
SHOULD LIKELY CONTINUE TO DIMINISH BEHIND THE COLD FRONT AS
GOES-EAST IR SATELLITE SHOWS WARMING CLOUD TOPS...WITH LESS
LIGHTNING ACTIVITY IN THE PAST HOUR OR SO.

THE HIGHEST CHANCES FOR TRAINING CONVECTION...AND THUS FLASH
FLOODING...APPEAR TO BE ALONG AND JUST AHEAD OF THE COLD FRONT IN
NORTHEAST TEXAS FROM CORSICANA AND TYLER...TO NEAR TEXARKANA.
REGIONAL RADARS SHOWED CONVECTION REDEVELOPING IN THE WARM SECTOR
AHEAD OF THE COLD FRONT...AND GOES-EAST IR SATELLITE SHOWED A
CORRIDOR OF RENEWED COOLING CLOUD TOPS. THIS AREA WILL HAVE ACCESS
TO MODERATE INSTABILITY. RAP ANALYSIS HAS IT ON THE NORTHWEST
PERIPHERY OF 1000 J/KG OF MLCAPE WITH SOUTH-SOUTHEAST LOW-LEVEL
INFLOW. HI-RES MODELS ALSO GENERALLY HAVE THE STRONGEST QPF SIGNAL
BY 09-12Z OVER THIS AREA WITH SEVERAL INCHES OF RAIN LIKELY AND
LOCALIZED TOTALS POTENTIALLY UPWARDS OF 5 INCHES. THE 00Z
SHREVEPORT SOUNDING SET A FEBRUARY RECORD FOR PRECIPITABLE
WATER...AND CIRA LAYER PW PRODUCTS SHOW THAT THIS PROMINENT PLUME
OF MOISTURE EXTENDS INTO THE MID-UPPER LAYERS OF THE ATMOSPHERE.
THIS SHOULD AID IN EFFICIENT RAINFALL PRODUCTION AND HOURLY RAIN
RATES IN EXCESS OF 1 IN/HR WILL BE POSSIBLE.

A MORE CONDITIONAL THREAT FOR FLASH FLOODING WILL EXIST FURTHER TO
THE SOUTHWEST IN TEXAS HILL COUNTRY. HI-RES MODELS HAVE AN
INCREASING SIGNAL FOR CONVECTIVE INITIATION ON A MORE WIDESPREAD
SCALE IN THE 05-07Z TIMEFRAME AS THE COLD FRONT CONTINUES TO MAKE
SLOW PROGRESS TO THE SOUTHEAST INTO AN UNSTABLE ATMOSPHERE. RECENT
RUNS OF THE HRRR AND NAM NEST SHOW SOME OF THE HIGHEST RAIN RATES
IN THE ENTIRE REGION IN A SMALL AREA OF TEXAS HILL
COUNTRY...POTENTIALLY AROUND 2 IN/HR. HOWEVER...THIS WOULD BE
CONTINGENT UPON FAVORABLE ORIENTATION OF CONVECTIVE BANDS AND THUS
TRAINING FOR A MORE SUBSTANTIAL PERIOD OF TIME. 1-HR FLASH FLOOD
GUIDANCE IS GENERALLY HIGHER THAN 2 INCHES...SO IT WOULD LIKELY
TAKE SEVERAL HOURS OF HEAVY RAINFALL TO PRODUCE FLASH FLOODING.
THIS IS WHY THE THREAT IS MORE CONDITIONAL IN THIS REGION...AS
HI-RES MODELS ALSO INDICATE THAT THE CONVECTION SHOULD MOVE OFF TO
THE NORTHEAST WITHIN A FEW HOURS OF INITIATION.

LAMERS

ATTN...WFO...EWX...FWD...HGX...SHV...SJT...

ATTN...RFC...ABRFC...LMRFC...WGRFC...

LAT...LON 33979461 33769353 33059327 31989417 30549603
29709737 29219869 29459974 30250017 31229940
32099916 32759867 33129739 33529618 33769551
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8920 Postby downsouthman1 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:18 am

I think the front is about to stall.
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