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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#7001 Postby TheProfessor » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:25 pm

Ntxw wrote:
TheProfessor wrote:It really does suck for Texas that y'all can't take advantage of Clippers in NW flow. In Ohio if we miss out on the big snows then we hope for NW flow to get on the clipper train.


NW flow in Texas generally means downsloping from the high Rockies and high plains. Thats not good like in Ohio.


Yep, not to mention clippers also typically weaken as they move south(except for some rare occasions like the recent one from a week ago.) but they typically produce most of central and southern Ohio's snowfall in a season.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#7002 Postby TheProfessor » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:27 pm

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TheProfessor wrote:It really does suck for Texas that y'all can't take advantage of Clippers in NW flow. In Ohio if we miss out on the big snows then we hope for NW flow to get on the clipper train.


NW flow in Texas generally means downsloping from the high Rockies and high plains. Thats not good like in Ohio.


NW flow is awesome for Texas in the summer months though as it brings cooler temps and MCS activity. Any other time of the year it's generally not good for us.


That's why it's perfect for me lol, I like NW flow year around while I'm in Ohio during the winter and Texas during the Summer.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#7003 Postby aggiecutter » Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:00 pm

The NWS survey crews found the Tornado at Dekalb, Texas last night was a EF-2.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#7004 Postby orangeblood » Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:41 pm

Latest Euro weeklies aren't looking good for the southern plains...Arctic Air confined to Canada into the Midwest. Hopefully the MJO can overwhelm the unfavorable SSTs in the Northern Pacific that are evolving
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#7005 Postby hamburgerman7070 » Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:46 pm

orangeblood wrote:Latest Euro weeklies aren't looking good for the southern plains...Arctic Air confined to Canada into the Midwest. Hopefully the MJO can overwhelm the unfavorable SSTs in the Northern Pacific that are evolving


Orangeblood, mike ventrice said today that euro weeklies were very cold and snowy so I'm not sure then. Will it take the mjo to get to the cold phases for that to happen or stronger amplitude?
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#7006 Postby orangeblood » Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:56 pm

hamburgerman7070 wrote:
orangeblood wrote:Latest Euro weeklies aren't looking good for the southern plains...Arctic Air confined to Canada into the Midwest. Hopefully the MJO can overwhelm the unfavorable SSTs in the Northern Pacific that are evolving


Orangeblood, mike ventrice said today that euro weeklies were very cold and snowy so I'm not sure then. Will it take the mjo to get to the cold phases for that to happen or stronger amplitude?


Not sure what areas he is referring to but it's normal temps with below average precip on the latest Euro Weekly run...aka the dreaded Dry Northwest Flow

Also, Ventrice is a Northeast guy...that run was very favorable for them, not good for us. ++PNA is showing is ugly head again
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#7007 Postby bubba hotep » Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:13 pm

Quixotic wrote:Grass fire in Parker County showing up on FWD radar......


Showed up nicely on sat as well

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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#7008 Postby hamburgerman7070 » Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:20 pm

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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#7009 Postby Brent » Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:21 pm

that doesn't look great around here
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#7010 Postby hamburgerman7070 » Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:23 pm

orangeblood wrote:
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orangeblood wrote:Latest Euro weeklies aren't looking good for the southern plains...Arctic Air confined to Canada into the Midwest. Hopefully the MJO can overwhelm the unfavorable SSTs in the Northern Pacific that are evolving


Orangeblood, mike ventrice said today that euro weeklies were very cold and snowy so I'm not sure then. Will it take the mjo to get to the cold phases for that to happen or stronger amplitude?


Not sure what areas he is referring to but it's normal temps with below average precip on the latest Euro Weekly run...aka the dreaded Dry Northwest Flow

Also, Ventrice is a Northeast guy...that run was very favorable for them, not good for us. ++PNA is showing is ugly head again


Do we need mjo in certain phases moving forward or does that matter at this point?
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#7011 Postby orangeblood » Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:24 pm

hamburgerman7070 wrote:http://blog.southernwx.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/output_25zYwk.gif

This is euro weeklies for today.


End of Feb looks more favorable for us as the pacific jet cuts underneath the Western NA ridge with Cross Polar flow continuing
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#7012 Postby orangeblood » Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:32 pm

hamburgerman7070 wrote:
orangeblood wrote:
hamburgerman7070 wrote:
Orangeblood, mike ventrice said today that euro weeklies were very cold and snowy so I'm not sure then. Will it take the mjo to get to the cold phases for that to happen or stronger amplitude?


Not sure what areas he is referring to but it's normal temps with below average precip on the latest Euro Weekly run...aka the dreaded Dry Northwest Flow

Also, Ventrice is a Northeast guy...that run was very favorable for them, not good for us. ++PNA is showing is ugly head again


Do we need mjo in certain phases moving forward or does that matter at this point?


Phases 2,3 is most favorable this time of year for us. Phase 8 is more favorable for east coast, that's why twitter is getting quite active re: upcoming pattern as it appears MJO forecasts are quite bullish into Phase 7 to 8. Still too early to know how Phase 2,3 will transpire but with each phase lasting 5-10 days, 2nd half of Feb seems realistic as most favorable for southern plains
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#7013 Postby hamburgerman7070 » Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:37 pm

I just want a more favorable pattern for winter weather with less cold air. Whatever we need I would like to see lol. Ntwx has mentioned Feb 1978 unless that's out of the question now. :grr:
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#7014 Postby bubba hotep » Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:52 pm

I'm not overly worried about the Euro Weeklies, they show little skill in the longer range and seem to be more just fun to look at. The MJO cycle should give them a little more accuracy but there is still a lot of variance in that signal as tropical convection is chaotic and gives the models fits. However, even as the pattern has relaxed it has been hard to get a system to dig deep into the SW and eject out across Texas. I'm not sure that will change this winter.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#7015 Postby South Texas Storms » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:12 pm

bubba hotep wrote:I'm not overly worried about the Euro Weeklies, they show little skill in the longer range and seem to be more just fun to look at. The MJO cycle should give them a little more accuracy but there is still a lot of variance in that signal as tropical convection is chaotic and gives the models fits. However, even as the pattern has relaxed it has been hard to get a system to dig deep into the SW and eject out across Texas. I'm not sure that will change this winter.


Yeah I don't remember the last time we had a cut off low in Mexico. It has been a long time, but that's not surprising in La Nina winters.

I'm tending to think the PNA will surge back positive and the coldest air with this next arctic outbreak will be east of TX, but it's still too early to have much confidence in that.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#7016 Postby TheProfessor » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:14 pm

What's this? Hail in Ohio... and in Janaury!? I legit thought something was wrong with my A.C unit. :lol:
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#7017 Postby TheProfessor » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:21 pm

And now I just heard the loudest thunder crack I've ever heard in Ohio. Woulda made any Texan proud.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#7018 Postby Brent » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:30 pm

bubba hotep wrote:I'm not overly worried about the Euro Weeklies, they show little skill in the longer range and seem to be more just fun to look at. The MJO cycle should give them a little more accuracy but there is still a lot of variance in that signal as tropical convection is chaotic and gives the models fits. However, even as the pattern has relaxed it has been hard to get a system to dig deep into the SW and eject out across Texas. I'm not sure that will change this winter.


oh they dug alright... too far south for Dallas...
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#7019 Postby Cpv17 » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:35 pm

I’m pretty sure last week you guys were saying the Euro weeklies were looking great for us for February and now all of a sudden they aren’t? If that’s the case I wouldn’t put too much stock into the Euro weeklies.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#7020 Postby wxman22 » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:39 pm

Speaking of cut off lows the CMC for the past few runs has been consistently cutting off a low around the beginning of February, something to watch as the CMC has been good this season at detecting storms in the long range, it detected the 3 winter weather events we've had this season before the Euro or GFS.And keep in mind we don't have to have a very cold airmass to get a winter storm,in fact, the air mass being too cold tends to work against us sometimes because of the suppression of the storm track.

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