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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#4341 Postby Brent » Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:52 pm

The 12z Euro wasn't even that cold looking back 1 day is sort of cold(Tuesday) then average temps
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#4342 Postby orangeblood » Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:13 pm

bubba hotep wrote:
wxman57 wrote:Based on projected 500mb flow in the operational models and ensembles, it's looking like the coldest of winter will be over the next 6-9 days. Beyond then, we should see warming temps across the eastern half of the country as ridging builds over the Rockies into the Plains. The warming starts in early February. This may also shut down the snow chances for Texas this winter. Well, at least through mid February. It's possible the pattern could chance back later in February, but it's also possible that the warming trend will continue into March.


D15 Euro EPS has almost full on N. American torch...


Big caution in the 10-15....the EPS is hinting at tanking EPO again by day 12-13. There will be a sh*t load of cold around the conus and if the ridge pops in the eastern Pacific, any warm up will be extremely short-lived. Plus MJO forecast appear to finally be swinging around to the cold phases (8-1-2) from 2nd week in Feb on! Winter ain't over yet IMHO!!
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#4343 Postby dhweather » Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:26 pm

Haris wrote:FV3 was supposed to launch tom but not anymore because of the shutdown.

It doesn’t matter though. The model is utter garbage IMO :lol:. Worse than the regular one which is a hard thing to do. It’s done so manh fantasy storms this season for the U.S . Not just TX


The code they are using for modeling is changing significantly. The new code was developed by the GFDL a few years ago, finite volume on a cubed sphere (thus FV3) and will run much more efficiently and scale as technology continues to develop faster and larger supercomputers. Current GFS code does not scale well.

I just found this - it's a great read, a 93 page powerpoint from NCEP model Evaluation Group (MEG) comparing GFS vs FV3 -

http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/users/Alic ... MMARY.pptx


and here's 93 more pages of fun, with feedback on FV3 from NWS regions, CPC, NHC, WPC, etc. Again, a great read: http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/users/Alic ... _EVAL.pptx
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#4344 Postby weatherdude1108 » Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:29 pm

Yukon Cornelius wrote:
harp wrote:If the models truly are such garbage, we really don't know what is going to happen then, do we? :eek: :roll:

Nowcasting 8-)

Or wishcasting :cheesy:
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#4345 Postby wxman57 » Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:39 pm

dhweather wrote:
Haris wrote:FV3 was supposed to launch tom but not anymore because of the shutdown.

It doesn’t matter though. The model is utter garbage IMO :lol:. Worse than the regular one which is a hard thing to do. It’s done so manh fantasy storms this season for the U.S . Not just TX


The code they are using for modeling is changing significantly. The new code was developed by the GFDL a few years ago, finite volume on a cubed sphere (thus FV3) and will run much more efficiently and scale as technology continues to develop faster and larger supercomputers. Current GFS code does not scale well.

I just found this - it's a great read, a 93 page powerpoint from NCEP model Evaluation Group (MEG) comparing GFS vs FV3 -

http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/users/Alic ... MMARY.pptx


and here's 93 more pages of fun, with feedback on FV3 from NWS regions, CPC, NHC, WPC, etc. Again, a great read: http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/users/Alic ... _EVAL.pptx


From the PowerPoint: Significant degradation of Day 6-7 Atlantic hurricane track forecasts
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#4346 Postby dhweather » Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:44 pm

wxman57 wrote:
From the PowerPoint: Significant degradation of Day 6-7 Atlantic hurricane track forecasts



Other tropics notes:

INTENSE TROPICAL DEEPENING NOT SEEN IN FV3GFS

DOUBLE-LOW CENTERS NOT SEEN IN FV3GFS FORECASTS OR ANALYSES

Intensity is improved over all basins

Tracks in AL and WP are improved for the first 5 days except at FH00, and degraded in day 6 and day 7. Track in EP is neutral
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#4347 Postby bubba hotep » Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:56 pm

TeamPlayersBlue wrote:
bubba hotep wrote:12z Euro EPS now has the pattern change at D10. How long does the warm up last?

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/ecmwf-en%20s/2019012312/ecmwf-ens_z500a_namer_11.png


Sliding into Phase 6. For this time of year, the RMM shows massive ridging over the US. So, the GFS is leaning towards that. I feel like its being a bit binary with this assumption though. I know the MJO is extremely important in weather, despite so many variables, but we shall see.


I posted yesterday that we are in P5 and will race into P6 over the next few days, so we are already in "warm" phases using traditional non filtered RMM composites. Even the +ENSO composites aren't a great match as the TPV is overwhelming the N. American pattern. Then beyond that, when looking at other representations of the MJO and tropical influences things are not as clear cut right now as the RMM makes them seem.
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#4348 Postby Cerlin » Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:01 pm

I’m fine with a warmup if it can reset our pattern to something more favorable afterwards.
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#4349 Postby bubba hotep » Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:07 pm

Cerlin wrote:I’m fine with a warmup if it can reset our pattern to something more favorable afterwards.


That is what the Weeklies showed last night with a warm up and then a return of a some what more traditional looking weak +ENSO pattern. That would possibly leave us with 4 or 5 weeks of winter.
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#4350 Postby Lagreeneyes03 » Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:31 pm

bubba hotep wrote:
wxman57 wrote:Based on projected 500mb flow in the operational models and ensembles, it's looking like the coldest of winter will be over the next 6-9 days. Beyond then, we should see warming temps across the eastern half of the country as ridging builds over the Rockies into the Plains. The warming starts in early February. This may also shut down the snow chances for Texas this winter. Well, at least through mid February. It's possible the pattern could chance back later in February, but it's also possible that the warming trend will continue into March.


D15 Euro EPS has almost full on N. American torch...


How does that put Florida Mid Feb?
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#4351 Postby Brent » Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:51 pm

bubba hotep wrote:
Cerlin wrote:I’m fine with a warmup if it can reset our pattern to something more favorable afterwards.


That is what the Weeklies showed last night with a warm up and then a return of a some what more traditional looking weak +ENSO pattern. That would possibly leave us with 4 or 5 weeks of winter.


I just hope its more than a bunch of teases
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#4352 Postby hriverajr » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:50 pm

I have almost given up here in Del Rio. Give me sun for my solar panels so that I can bank some power. We have not gotten nearly as much rain here this winter like the rest of you. If this continues gonna be a hot hot summer. Next week's system probably our best shot at winter precip...and it's not good.
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#4353 Postby spencer817 » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:52 pm

I laugh every time someone says "in the long range" or "10-15 days" because this winter keeps getting pushed back. Give me my severe weather, I'm done!
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#4354 Postby Brent » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:55 pm

spencer817 wrote:I laugh every time someone says "in the long range" or "10-15 days" because this winter keeps getting pushed back. Give me my severe weather, I'm done!


Part of me does feel this way but the other part of me can't believe that such a promising winter is just over like that. I'm not giving up on February but I'm quickly starting to realize that unless something changes soon this winter may go down as the biggest cruel joke
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#4355 Postby bubba hotep » Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:09 pm

Brent wrote:
spencer817 wrote:I laugh every time someone says "in the long range" or "10-15 days" because this winter keeps getting pushed back. Give me my severe weather, I'm done!


Part of me does feel this way but the other part of me can't believe that such a promising winter is just over like that. I'm not giving up on February but I'm quickly starting to realize that unless something changes soon this winter may go down as the biggest cruel joke


It's already snowed/sleeted several times here in Collin County! Just not enough to matter to anyone lol
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#4356 Postby sphelps8681 » Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:14 pm

Surely Winter is not over for everyone. Texas is a big state. Would love all the winter weather peeps to focus in on the others in Texas who might get some snow if your saying ya'll won't. Would love if you could get it but in my area we would love it too!! Not that it would happen but would be pretty awesome. Winter ain't over yet.
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#4357 Postby Brent » Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:32 pm

bubba hotep wrote:
Brent wrote:
spencer817 wrote:I laugh every time someone says "in the long range" or "10-15 days" because this winter keeps getting pushed back. Give me my severe weather, I'm done!


Part of me does feel this way but the other part of me can't believe that such a promising winter is just over like that. I'm not giving up on February but I'm quickly starting to realize that unless something changes soon this winter may go down as the biggest cruel joke


It's already snowed/sleeted several times here in Collin County! Just not enough to matter to anyone lol


lol does it really count if it doesn't cancel work/school? :roflmao:
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#4358 Postby Haris » Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:26 pm

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5 years ago today !
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#4359 Postby TheProfessor » Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:49 pm



Heh, I remember this. It's when I first realized there was different criteria for winter storm warnings.
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#4360 Postby Yukon Cornelius » Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:50 pm

Are gonna temp bust again tonight? The forecasted low is 30 and it’s already 33...
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