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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#2181 Postby Iceresistance » Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:37 am

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txtwister78 wrote:https://images.weatherbell.com/model/ecmwf-ensemble-avg/conus/t2m_f_anom_5day/1610798400/1611662400-vZnNb5qlLQY.png
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Euro ENS has TX locked in to a warmer than normal temp pattern in the longer term. -PNA is the big factor overall. The EPO actually does go negative for a week, but due to the -PNA most of the cold air that does enter the US will be blocked from coming too far south. We need to root for the PNA to go back to neutral or positive in order for us to get back to a wintry pattern. Right now doesn't look likely thru the end of the month.

What does look more likely is some good rain entering the forecast for the state next week. We definitely could use it across a good portion of the state.


If there can't be snow, I'll take any rain needed to keep away the drought from coming to the eastern side of the Southern Plains


Speaking of drought. This was brought to my attention by a brilliant grad student that I know on another site, but where the current drought in the Southwest expands will be critical to determining where a possible large tornado outbreak could occur this Spring. It is likely that the drought will influence EMLs, possibly pushing stronger EMLs further east due to the dryline either setting up further east or just progressing eastward more easily due to dry land. Where the boundary of the drought is is important to DFW and east Texas and Dixie Alley. In 2011 DFW and east Texas ended up on the western edge of the Super Outbreak. One thing that's different this year than 2011 is that in 2011 east Texas got the worst of the drought early on, whereas right now it's mostly confined to west Texas. Now CPC does expect much of the Southern Plains to be in drought this year, but if stays just abnormally dry instead of being a severe drought, that could influence how far east EMLs get. To put it plainly, if the drought is focused further west this year, but EMLs are occurring further east than average with an active tornado season to go with it, then we could see the hard hit areas shift west from 2011, focusing on east Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi instead of Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia. It wouldn't surprise if DFW saw a lot more dry line action this year, which does mean you might not get anything, but we also know that drylines produce some of the most dangerous supercells and tornadoes we've seen. EMLs poking into Louisiana and Mississippi also mean trouble because it limits the junk convection that often causes busts in Dixie Alley (I should probably throw Arkansas in the list of these states as well). Further east where EMLs may not quite reach, that junk convection still exists so outbreaks are quite as widespread as what we saw in 2011.

I should point out that I'm not saying there's going to be an outbreak that rivals 2011 this spring, but let's be real, even an outbreak half as bad as that would be seriously bad. Unless we get put into full on winter mode nation wide, there will probably be at least 1 bad outbreak this year.

Yeah, I remember in 2013, there was a drought that was breaking in Central Oklahoma that led to 3 small but bad Tornado outbreaks. (May 19th, 20th, & May 31st)

The 2018-2019 Winter was mild, but in 2019, Oklahoma (And several other states including Texas) was getting outbreak after outbreak of tornadoes, especially in May. (Including the May 21st High Risk day!)

Don’t always count on Nasty Winters on more severe weather, it’s just the odds on one is higher compared to a mild winter.

(The drought where I’m at does not exist, the odds of severe weather is higher here.) :eek:
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#2182 Postby DonWrk » Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:41 am

Go from exciting times to doom and gloom just like that :x Gotta love it.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#2183 Postby bubba hotep » Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:30 am

DonWrk wrote:Go from exciting times to doom and gloom just like that :x Gotta love it.


This isn't getting anyone hyped lol

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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#2184 Postby orangeblood » Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:02 pm

bubba hotep wrote:
DonWrk wrote:Go from exciting times to doom and gloom just like that :x Gotta love it.


This isn't getting anyone hyped lol

https://i.ibb.co/vYfr8Gg/gfs-ens-z500a-Mean-namer-fh168-384.gif


lol that retrogression is fine if it continues propagating west but the fear is it will stall in the Gulf of Alaska for most of the later half of winter. Hopefully that's not the case!!!
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#2185 Postby Quixotic » Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:07 pm

Every time someone hypes an SSW, it’s also time to cancel winter.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#2186 Postby Iceresistance » Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:12 pm

Quixotic wrote:Every time someone hypes an SSW, it’s also time to cancel winter.

Keep in mind that winter is until March (Sometimes April for me!)

Still could have a March snowstorm, it's usually more likely when there is less snow before then.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#2187 Postby Quixotic » Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:18 pm

Iceresistance wrote:
Quixotic wrote:Every time someone hypes an SSW, it’s also time to cancel winter.

Keep in mind that winter is until March (Sometimes April for me!)

Still could have a March snowstorm, it's usually more likely when there is less snow before then.


Ninas, if they’re going to deliver, do it late.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#2188 Postby Cpv17 » Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:34 pm

Quixotic wrote:Every time someone hypes an SSW, it’s also time to cancel winter.


They’ve never really excited me. So far since I’ve been following the weather, they’ve done nothing for me really.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#2189 Postby Yukon Cornelius » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:29 pm

And....winter cancel.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#2190 Postby Brent » Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:55 am

I guess at least it might rain this week? :spam:

oh and I agree about SSW's... never have impressed me
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#2191 Postby gpsnowman » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:12 am

Brent wrote:I guess at least it might rain this week? :spam:

oh and I agree about SSW's... never have impressed me

It rained this morning. Yay winter!!! I agree about SSW's, an interesting event for sure but really doesn't do much for Texas. On to February.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#2192 Postby Iceresistance » Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:44 am

Well, this trend is dead, I'll show the photos of the December 2020 Triple Snowstorms

December 13th, 2020 Snowstorm (Photo taken after the storm)

.25 inch of Sleet & 2 inches of snow from Storm #1

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December 15th, 2020 Back-to-back :darrow:

2 inches of snow from Storm #2

This photo was taken at my school
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After that storm, it looked very much like after the first snowstorm
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December 30th, 2020 Surprise Snowstorm :darrow: (All of the forecasters (Except me!) said it's not going to snow in South & East-Central Oklahoma, but it did! How did I get that right? :eek: )

Used this photo for a NWS Storm Report (Yes, those snowflakes were huge! Some of them were as big as Golfballs.)
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1.5 inches of snow was measured
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#2193 Postby WinterMax » Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:29 pm

I like snow as much as anyone, but I don't think I would trade today's weather for 6 inches of snow. Clear skys, 70 degrees, slight breeze. It's perfect.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#2194 Postby Lagreeneyes03 » Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:31 pm

Supposed to be 70 degrees on Thursday-I'll take it. Ready for spring and storm chasing at this point.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#2195 Postby Haris » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:35 pm

God someone give at least SOME good news, please :( :lol:
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#2196 Postby gpsnowman » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:56 pm

Haris wrote:God someone give at least SOME good news, please :( :lol:

Winter 2022/2023 is just around the corner.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#2197 Postby Iceresistance » Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:52 pm

gpsnowman wrote:
Haris wrote:God someone give at least SOME good news, please :( :lol:

Winter 2022/2023 is just around the corner.

Ummmm, next winter is 2021-2022
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#2198 Postby gpsnowman » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:32 pm

Iceresistance wrote:
gpsnowman wrote:
Haris wrote:God someone give at least SOME good news, please :( :lol:

Winter 2022/2023 is just around the corner.

Ummmm, next winter is 2021-2022

Yes, I know. I was being facetious.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#2199 Postby SnowintheFalls » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:35 pm

Seems we are entering the depressing phase of a La Nina winter. Maybe we can catch a hail mary in March or April.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#2200 Postby wxman57 » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:23 pm

Most of you got your snow for this winter. Time to heat things up for a few weeks.
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