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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#281 Postby wxman57 » Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:15 am

Oh, and I would completely trust that the 6Z 384hr GFS panel is correct...

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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#282 Postby Iceresistance » Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:49 am

Ntxw wrote:Looks bad right now.

But MJO still showing some life as the ensembles and OP are now trying to move it to P7 and out into the Pacific. That'll help with the EPO. In turn, the models are showing some Okhotsk ->Aleutian low activity that may start to disturb the TPV. But that's way out there if it still sticks around.

The MJO is currently stuck in Phase 6, but it's still expected to move into Phase 7 in the next several Days.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#283 Postby Texas Snowman » Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:28 am

wxman57 wrote:Oh, and I would completely trust that the 6Z 384hr GFS panel is correct...

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I think I speak for all/most of us Lucy, I mean Wxman57: “Go away.” :D

All kidding aside, I fear we may get plenty of hot and dry weather next year. Especially next summer. You may get plenty of bike riding weather in 2022.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#284 Postby Cpv17 » Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:52 am

wxman57 wrote:This progressive pattern is not conducive to bringing the cold air south to Texas. I don't see a pattern change in the works prior to Christmas. Meanwhile, let's all enjoy the much above normal temperatures and be thankful that we're not dealing with ice and snow. La NIna winters are generally warm and dry across Texas.


I thought you liked snow? I thought that’s the only time you’re ok if it’s cold..
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#285 Postby Iceresistance » Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:12 pm

8-14 Day CPC is looking extremely ugly.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#286 Postby starsfan65 » Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:24 pm

Iceresistance wrote:8-14 Day CPC is looking extremely ugly.

warm?
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#287 Postby wxman57 » Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:36 pm

Cpv17 wrote:
wxman57 wrote:This progressive pattern is not conducive to bringing the cold air south to Texas. I don't see a pattern change in the works prior to Christmas. Meanwhile, let's all enjoy the much above normal temperatures and be thankful that we're not dealing with ice and snow. La NIna winters are generally warm and dry across Texas.


I thought you liked snow? I thought that’s the only time you’re ok if it’s cold..


Correct, I do like snow, and if I ever see snow REALLY coming, then I'll be shouting from the highest overpass about it. Ideally, it would only snow when it's hot, like in July, but I can't have everything.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#288 Postby Ntxw » Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:38 pm

starsfan65 wrote:
Iceresistance wrote:8-14 Day CPC is looking extremely ugly.

warm?


Warm, heat, near records for December.

Still seeing subtle signs for the MJO. It's our chance to shake up the pattern but nothing immediate. I would say if this does come to fruition then a slow step down process after we pass the extreme mild pattern for the next 2 weeks.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#289 Postby Cerlin » Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:40 pm

I think I’m throwing in the towel for this weekend. We’ve lost the CMC. Better luck once the MJO hopefully shuffled things up
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#290 Postby TropicalTundra » Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:56 pm

Cerlin wrote:I think I’m throwing in the towel for this weekend. We’ve lost the CMC. Better luck once the MJO hopefully shuffled things up


The ICON's still holding on. Don't give up yet! :lol:
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#291 Postby wxman57 » Mon Dec 06, 2021 1:11 pm

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Cerlin wrote:I think I’m throwing in the towel for this weekend. We’ve lost the CMC. Better luck once the MJO hopefully shuffled things up


The ICON's still holding on. Don't give up yet! :lol:


The ICON has some snow in the Panhandle Saturday morning and highs in the mid to upper 40s in the D-FW area. Not exactly a snow forecast. At least the high is below 80F this weekend up there.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#292 Postby Iceresistance » Mon Dec 06, 2021 1:33 pm

GFS is starting to show consistency of a powerful SSW that will cause a severely disrupted PV & may cause a Cold wave at around Christmas Week.

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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#293 Postby Iceresistance » Mon Dec 06, 2021 1:44 pm

TropicalTundra wrote:
Cerlin wrote:I think I’m throwing in the towel for this weekend. We’ve lost the CMC. Better luck once the MJO hopefully shuffled things up


The ICON's still holding on. Don't give up yet! :lol:

Even then, the ICON is losing snow as well.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#294 Postby Ntxw » Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:00 pm

Iceresistance wrote:GFS is starting to show consistency of a powerful SSW that will cause a severely disrupted PV & may cause a Cold wave at around Christmas Week.

https://s10.gifyu.com/images/YIKES.png
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It does show warming over Asia into the Bering Sea/Aleutians which is where it needs to start. Once you see big low pressures sending heat flux into the Arctic then we can start to believe something may happen. The MJO into P7-8 is when you see the tropics force the lows in the North Pacific.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#295 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:27 pm

12 days out looks horrible. Sigh.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#296 Postby wxman57 » Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:30 pm

Iceresistance wrote:GFS is starting to show consistency of a powerful SSW that will cause a severely disrupted PV & may cause a Cold wave at around Christmas Week.

https://s10.gifyu.com/images/YIKES.png
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If the GFS can't get the forecast right 5 days from now, why would it be correct on the day 16 panel?
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#297 Postby Ntxw » Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:33 pm

MJO is amping up and going on the move. This is a catalyst that could reverse the pattern. It won't happen right away but 2-3 weeks for things to get reflect the shift. I'd start believing on some modeled cold by week 3 or 4 so towards the end of the month once it arrives at the dateline.

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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#298 Postby Iceresistance » Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:36 pm

wxman57 wrote:
Iceresistance wrote:GFS is starting to show consistency of a powerful SSW that will cause a severely disrupted PV & may cause a Cold wave at around Christmas Week.

https://s10.gifyu.com/images/YIKES.png
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If the GFS can't get the forecast right 5 days from now, why would it be correct on the day 16 panel?


It seems like that the GFS strongly picks up something at the end of the run, then it seems like it drops it out by the time it gets closer.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#299 Postby Ntxw » Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:39 pm

Dec-Jan 1984-1985 did a similar strut of the MJO but not quite as quick. December spent most of it in p6 (and hot) like we are now and moved in early Jan. I made a post last week if we were taking a 1984 or 1990 path and it seems 1990 is not happening but 1984 is not a bad compromise, just have to wait it out a little longer.

If this does happen we are liable for a major cold dump tail end of the month and January.

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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#300 Postby Cerlin » Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:40 pm

Iceresistance wrote:
wxman57 wrote:
Iceresistance wrote:GFS is starting to show consistency of a powerful SSW that will cause a severely disrupted PV & may cause a Cold wave at around Christmas Week.

https://s10.gifyu.com/images/YIKES.png
https://s10.gifyu.com/images/YIKES.png


If the GFS can't get the forecast right 5 days from now, why would it be correct on the day 16 panel?


It seems like that the GFS strongly picks up something at the end of the run, then it seems like it drops it out by the time it gets closer.

And I think that’s a sign of the GFS overestimating the strength of events (PV, troughs, moisture, etc.) rather than being a good indicator
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