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#5581 Postby Dean_175 » Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:58 pm

Yellow Evan wrote:
TropicalAnalystwx13 wrote:The walker circulation, which describes tropospheric air flow across the Pacific, looks nothing like an El Nino--in fact, it more resembles a La Nina at this point. Despite an impressive westerly wind burst associated with a record-strong phase 5 MJO pulse, continued forcing is unlikely as we progress towards spring. Latest maps show the formation of a new upwelling kelvin wave across the Central/East Pacific. Things are not looking good for an El Nino.

dexterlabio wrote:maybe this almost El Nino blip last year is all because of the PDO turning positive.....maybe the +2.51 reading is a sign that we are getting past the negative PDO era?

The negative PDO era just began a few years ago. Short-term rises in an otherwise negative PDO era are completely normal.


It began around 1998. There's a good chance IMO the -PDO could be over.


Possibly, but we won't know for at least a few years if there was a true regime shift of the PDO back to warm. Also keep in mind that the PDO has variations over a range of frequencies- so it may just be a "mini-positive era" beginning- possibly similar to the one that occurred in the early 2000s. Similar positive values have occurred since 1998- the PDO value of December 2002 was 2.10. However, it is hard to determine if the negative era began in 1998 (as opposed to the late 2000s).

I have a question: I understand how ENSO drives the PDO- but what I do not understand is how the PDO has an effect on ENSO? Does it really? I have read that negative PDO is more favorable for strong la ninas - but I don't quite understand how PDO could dynamically effect ENSO.
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#5582 Postby Kingarabian » Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:40 pm

2.51?!

Damn.
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Re: ENSO Updates

#5583 Postby cycloneye » Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:20 pm

Here is a CPC blog about Kelvin Waves. It looks like the last wave did not warm a lot the waters.

During December 2014 and January 2015, we saw a weak upwelling Kelvin wave move across the tropical Pacific (white shading), which resulted in cooling of the subsurface tropical Pacific ocean. Will this be the final nail in the coffin for El Niño in winter of 2014-15? It is possible, so stay tuned to future ENSO updates. Going forward, we still need to continue to monitor the Pacific for future downwelling Kelvin waves which may increase the risk of El Niño forming in 2015
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#5584 Postby Ntxw » Sat Jan 24, 2015 12:19 pm

WWB may be heading for the international dateline. Not just weaker easterlies but raw westerlies.
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#5585 Postby cycloneye » Sat Jan 24, 2015 2:24 pm

Ntxw wrote:WWB may be heading for the international dateline. Not just weaker easterlies but raw westerlies.


And that means what?
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#5586 Postby Dean_175 » Sat Jan 24, 2015 4:57 pm

cycloneye wrote:
Ntxw wrote:WWB may be heading for the international dateline. Not just weaker easterlies but raw westerlies.


And that means what?



Well, a WWB will create a wind stress anomaly on the ocean that is larger than what may be indicated by the monthly average zonal wind anomaly. This is because wind stress is proportional to the product of "wind speed" and wind velocity vector. So its almost like the square of the wind speed (with a vector component). A WWB can therefore exert a larger wind stress anomaly onto the ocean than a period of weakened easterlies.

Having a series of WWBs usually helps el nino, but im not sure what this means right now for el nino development. We are at a time of year in which el ninos normally decay.
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#5587 Postby Ntxw » Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:02 am

0.6C this morning's update
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#5588 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:30 am

Ntxw wrote:0.6C this morning's update


Text of CPC weekly update.

http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/analys ... ts-web.pdf
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#5589 Postby Kingarabian » Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:55 pm

Have we ever had an El-Nino intensify through the winter-early spring?
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#5590 Postby Ptarmigan » Tue Jan 27, 2015 10:29 pm

Kingarabian wrote:Have we ever had an El-Nino intensify through the winter-early spring?


If we use ONI, it appears that has happened, 1986-1987.
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Re: ENSO Updates

#5591 Postby cycloneye » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:48 am

I am watching that growing area of warm waters in the subsurface of the WestCentral Pacific to see if it expands eastward.

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Re: ENSO Updates

#5592 Postby cycloneye » Thu Jan 29, 2015 5:28 am

JB sent a tweet.

Joe Bastardi ‏@BigJoeBastardi 5 h
There is no super nino, or 2 year nino. JAMSTEC blew cfsv2 out and will do so again. La Nada summer 15, La nina 2016
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#5593 Postby Yellow Evan » Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:40 am

cycloneye wrote:JB sent a tweet.

Joe Bastardi ‏@BigJoeBastardi 5 h
There is no super nino, or 2 year nino. JAMSTEC blew cfsv2 out and will do so again. La Nada summer 15, La nina 2016


He could be right, but at some point, we''ll have to get an El Nino eventually.
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#5594 Postby Ntxw » Thu Jan 29, 2015 12:19 pm

He's too bullish on Nina next year and La Nada this year. El Nada is better for this year at the least, if he wanted the Nina this Nino needed to be decent because there just isn't Neutral to Nina transition in the modern ONI (using most recent base). It just doesn't happen. The warm +PDO this year that started last year is going to resist. Until we get a decent Nino, I'm not buying any fast start to a Nina, which we haven't had either since 2011-2012.
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#5595 Postby Ntxw » Thu Jan 29, 2015 3:51 pm

cycloneye wrote:
Ntxw wrote:WWB may be heading for the international dateline. Not just weaker easterlies but raw westerlies.


And that means what?


IF this WWB moves east, it is now progged very strong in the Nino 4 regions, then a new large warm pool could develop for spring from the west. But it has to persist.
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Re: ENSO: CPC 2/2/15=Nino 3.4 down to +0.5C

#5596 Postby cycloneye » Mon Feb 02, 2015 10:08 am

Nothing new in this weekly CPC update of 2/2/15.Nino 3.4 is down to +0.5C and ONI remains at+0.7C.

http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/analys ... ts-web.pdf
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Re: ENSO: Bom 2/3/15=Tropical Pacific stays Neutral

#5597 Postby cycloneye » Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:00 am

BoM 2/3/15 update has the Pacific as Neutral.

Tropical Pacific Ocean ENSO-neutral

Issued on 3 February 2015 | Product Code IDCKGEWW00

The tropical Pacific Ocean has eased away from the borderline El Niño observed during late 2014. Overall, the tropical Pacific region remains neutral.

Neutral El Niño–Southern Oscillation (ENSO) indicators include central to eastern Pacific sea surface temperatures, temperatures beneath the sea surface and cloudiness near the Date Line. The Southern Oscillation Index (SOI) has returned to near to threshold values, but this is primarily due to tropical weather activity near Tahiti rather than a broadscale climate signal. The SOI is often affected by weather phenomena during this time of the year.

The late summer to early autumn period is the time of year when ENSO events naturally decay. Forecasting beyond this time is therefore difficult, and some caution should be exercised. International models surveyed by the Bureau indicate that tropical Pacific sea surface temperatures are likely to remain within the neutral range for at least the next three months.

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/

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#5598 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:48 am

So we'll wait till 2016??? :P
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#5599 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:54 am

Bye Nino 8-)

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Re: ENSO: BoM 2/3/15=Tropical Pacific stays Neutral

#5600 Postby wxman57 » Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:32 am

Looks like it's official now - El Nino. Nov-Jan turned out +0.7C in Nino 3.4, which makes 3 consecutive 3-month averages at or above the +0.5C temperature.

http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/ensostuff/ensoyears.shtml
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