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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#181 Postby Brent » Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:20 pm

FWD AFD :rain:

All eyes will be on the large upper level trough as it trudges
eastward towards the middle part of the country. Forcing for
ascent will remain west of the forecast area this weekend, but
will begin to affect the western counties of North Texas early in
the workweek. Chance POPs are in place west of I-35/35 W late
Monday and Tuesday. The persistent slow but steady eastward
progression of the trough will spread strong ascent slowly
eastward, causing an increase in showers and storms across the
central and eastern portions of the forecast area late Tuesday
and Wednesday.

The upper level system will be accompanied by a cold front, which
could locally enhance rain rates as it provides additional focus
for development. The front is currently progged to push steadily
southeastward across the region late Tuesday and Wednesday,
eventually clearing the southeast counties sometime Thursday.

Though it`s still early on in the forecast, the current thinking
is that instability and shear will be sufficient for a few strong
storms, but the severe threat appears pretty low. The bigger
concern may turn to locally heavy rainfall and the potential for
flooding. Tropical moisture will surge northward late Tuesday,
with fairly widespread 2" PWATs by Wednesday.
Additional moisture
pooling along the surface boundary could create a narrow swath of
2.25" PWATs along the front as it pushes through Wednesday into
Thursday. Fortunately, the region has dried out significantly due
to the lack of any appreciable rain this month. That said, the
possibility of heavy rain will be something to keep an eye on as
we head for the middle of next week.


The upper level trough and cold front will progress east of the
forecast area late next week, which should hopefully bring more
comfortable early Fall weather by next weekend.
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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#182 Postby weatherdude1108 » Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:07 pm

:boog: :rain: :rain: :rain: :thermo:

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FXUS64 KEWX 211943
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Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service Austin/San Antonio TX
243 PM CDT Thu Sep 21 2017

.SHORT TERM (Today through Friday)...
The shortwave that is bringing numerous showers and thunderstorms to
the Houston area this afternoon will continue to push eastward and
weaken through the evening and overnight hours. In its wake weak
isentropic lift combined with the low level jet across west Texas
could produce a few isolated showers/storms over the Edwards Plateau
and Rio Grande Plains through the night.

Friday will see the typical summertime sea breeze showers and storms
as high pressure continues to sit over the ArkLaTex region.
Temperatures will continue to run 2-4 degrees above normal for highs
with afternoon heat index values in the mid to upper 90s due to the
Gulf moisture in place across Central Texas

&&

.LONG TERM (Friday Night through Wednesday)...
The high pressure holds on for one more day Saturday, with only
isolated showers and storms possible. By Sunday a large upper trough
digs into the Four Corners region and chances for rain begin to rise.

The trough of low pressure slowly pushes eastward so rain chances
will begin along the Rio Grande Plains Sunday into Monday and then
spread eastward for Tuesday through Thursday. The trough helps to
push a cold front, equally slow moving, down into Texas.
While there
is some disagreement between the ECMWF and GFS as to the timing of
the front it will act to only enhance rain chances mid week.
Precipitable Water values will range from 1.75-2.25 inches due to
the continued southerly flow ahead of the trough. The best chances
for rain across South Central Texas look to be Tuesday, Wednesday and
Thursday. With the increased cloud cover and rainfall temperatures
early next week will be kept in the upper 80s with indications of at
least slightly cooler temperatures behind the cold front (whenever it
finally comes through).
This far out it is too early to pinpoint
when the heaviest rainfall will occur and where. A lot will depend on
the timing of the cold front, which the models still disagree on.
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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#183 Postby Ntxw » Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:51 am

Today marks the Fall equinox! Unfortunately it is yet another very warm day.

Change will come, late next week some highs will be what lows are this past week :roll:
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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#184 Postby TheProfessor » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:49 am

We're being forecast to hit 90 today. That just isn't supposed to happen this late in the month in Ohio, especially for multiple days. :x
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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#185 Postby BrokenGlassRepublicn » Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:56 pm

Wow, Wunderground Best Forecast for DFW has backed off bigly on rainfall for next week, but as a trade-off has highs in 60's and lows in the lower 50'2 for Thursday through the weekend. :cold:
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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#186 Postby Ntxw » Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:59 pm

That sounds about right. 1-3" for the I-35 corridor more further west. Highs 60s and 70s is reasonable with clouds and rain along with frontal passage. Will feel more like fall.
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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#187 Postby weatherdude1108 » Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:45 pm

We actually got a very brief shower yesterday at the house. Enough to wet streets, but not measure. It evaporated in about an hour. First rain since Harvey.

Feels nasty outside right now with the heat and steaminess, along with lack of rain/dustiness. Terrible combination. :roll: Wet and Fall temps can't get here soon enough. Although the CPC says below normal rain and above normal temps at least through March, maybe through next December. Guess we should get used to it. Booo La Nina!

Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service Austin/San Antonio TX
247 PM CDT Fri Sep 22 2017

.SHORT TERM (Tonight through Saturday Night)...
An inverted trough axis and onshore flow is allowing for a 20 to 40
percent coverage of showers and storms east of I-35 this afternoon.
Otherwise, temperatures are in the upper 80s to lower 90s with
southeast winds 10 to 15 mph. The shower and storm activity will
continue to push northwest aided by the propagation of outflow
boundaries.
Moisture values drop off west of the I-35 corridor and
therefore the activity should dwindle to a 10 to 20 percent coverage
into the Hill Country. Average rainfall will be less than a half of
an inch, but some locations could be a bit more. Activity should be
dissipated by 9 PM as the atmosphere stabilizes with the loss of day
time heating. Lows tonight will bottom out in the upper 60s in the
Hill Country to the middle 70s in the southwest. Could see some
patchy fog once again across the eastern counties as the low-level
airmass remains moist there. The synoptic pattern will remain mostly
unchanged tomorrow and should see a similar coverage of showers and
storms with highs once again in the upper 80s to middle 90s.


&&

.LONG TERM (Sunday through Friday)...
For the start of the long-term forecast, a large trough axis will
encompass much of the western CONUS with a decent fetch of stronger
low-level winds across West Texas. Isolated showers and storms will
be possible for the eastern counties once again on Sunday, but some
additional showers and storms in West Texas within the low-level jet
should move into Val Verde County by Sunday night. The same can be
expected for Monday with the two zones of the western and eastern
counties having the higher PoPs with the I-35 corridor being slightly
less.

The rest of the extended forecast will be highly dependent on when a
cold front moves through the region and interacts with the trough to
the west. The GFS has it moving in around Friday while the ECMWF
moves it through by Wednesday morning. If the front were to move in
as early as the ECMWF is showing, high rain chances would be
warranted as strong lift moves over the frontal layer. The ECMWF
also shows some mesoscale influences and therefore has a risk of
heavier rainfall across the western counties for the Wednesday-Friday
time period. The GFS still has rain, but lesser amounts for the
totals until the front arrives on Friday. For now will show high
chance to likely PoPs in the Tuesday- Friday time period and will
refine these in the coming days as the forecast becomes more clear.
Nevertheless, a period of decent rain chances and below normal
temperatures appears likely sometime in the Day 5-10 period.
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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#188 Postby JDawg512 » Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:38 pm

The early morning forecast discussion from EWX has been consistently more in-depth than the afternoon discussion.
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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#189 Postby Cpv17 » Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:48 pm

It’s looking like areas west of 35 are in for a good soaking. East of there not so much. Maybe .5 to 2”.
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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#190 Postby Ntxw » Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:51 pm

Del Rio to San Angelo, that's a lot of rain. Perhaps more than they bargained for.

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Euro has a 20+ inch total bulls-eye not far from Del Rio
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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#191 Postby Texas Snowman » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:42 pm

:uarrow: That's an area of the state that has by and large missed most of the big rains from 2015, 2016, and parts of 2017.

Rains like that would likely fill up - partially at least - some of the lakes like O.H. Ivie which is currently at 20.2 percent of capacity. And Amistad, which is at 75.4 percent of capacity.
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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#192 Postby Texas Snowman » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:58 pm

ABC 13 meteorologist Tim Heller (@HellerWeather) tweeted out a FEMA info graphic that says 19 trillion gallons of rain fell from Hurricane Harvey. FEMA also says 80,000 homes had 18-inches of water or more in them. :eek:
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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#193 Postby Texas Snowman » Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:01 pm

Wow... :eek: :eek: :eek:

"@Cyclonebiskit -- Per @NWSLakeCharles, #Harvey is the wettest TC on record in the United States w/ peak of 64.58" near Nederland. Shatters old record of 52"."

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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#194 Postby 1900hurricane » Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:01 pm

Southeast Texas right now:

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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#195 Postby weatherdude1108 » Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:18 pm

Ntxw wrote:Del Rio to San Angelo, that's a lot of rain. Perhaps more than they bargained for.

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Euro has a 20+ inch total bulls-eye not far from Del Rio


That is the opposite side of the state compared to last month's high QPF projections in SE Texas. Guess that is a good thing. They can take a lot of rain in West/SW TX right now. But yeah, they have their limit eventually.too.

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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#196 Postby Ntxw » Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:05 am

A little off topic but since new data is out, the CPC updated ERSST to version 5. That's now the new official records for ONI in which ENSO events are declared. New data has the 2015-2016 Super El Nino as the King of El Ninos surpassing 1997-1998 in strength and length. Really 2014-2016 is just one very long El Nino event that peaked in the fall of 2015.

It disrupted many weather patterns world wide and created some of the most intense tropical cyclones ever on earth in the satellite era (Patricia, Pam, Winston for example) as well as having profound changes in our weather marking not only the end of the extreme drought that began about a decade earlier as well as embarking us in a stream of record warm months unbroken. It also ended the NPO blocking period, GOA warm SSTs, that we enjoyed the two years prior.
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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#197 Postby JDawg512 » Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:33 pm

weatherdude1108 wrote:
Ntxw wrote:Del Rio to San Angelo, that's a lot of rain. Perhaps more than they bargained for.

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Euro has a 20+ inch total bulls-eye not far from Del Rio


That is the opposite side of the state compared to last month's high QPF projections in SE Texas. Guess that is a good thing. They can take a lot of rain in West/SW TX right now. But yeah, they have their limit eventually.too.

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Yea they need a good amount of rain west, even the Hill Country has been left out recently. Better the rain fall upstream where it can be of use. As long as we get an inch or an inch and a half of rain here in Austin, I'll be quite happy.
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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#198 Postby Cpv17 » Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:47 pm

Rain chances are diminishing quickly for the eastern half of the state.
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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#199 Postby Brent » Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:45 pm

I don't like the forecast trend of warmer and drier...

It did however rain for about 5 minutes here today totally shocked me
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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#200 Postby Ntxw » Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:46 am

Yeah models have backed off some on really cool air, except in the western half of the state held down by rain. Still back to seasonal and slightly below which is a vast improvement over this past week. Sept looks to return to above normal for DFW, was August a start of a new trend or just an isolated island?
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