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Re: Texas Spring 2024

#1181 Postby WacoWx » Thu May 09, 2024 11:54 am

HRRR has the north half of the storms that form continue off to the northeast, and the southern half take off to the southeast. What can cause storms that initiate in the same general area to go in 2 different directions?
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Re: Texas Spring 2024

#1182 Postby bubba hotep » Thu May 09, 2024 11:58 am

HockeyTx82 wrote:That one storm is turning right, I'm surprised it's not Tor Warned. Looks to have some rotation.

North of Graham


It's probably not surface based but can still produce large hail.
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Re: Texas Spring 2024

#1183 Postby txtwister78 » Thu May 09, 2024 12:11 pm

HockeyTx82 wrote:That one storm is turning right, I'm surprised it's not Tor Warned. Looks to have some rotation.

North of Graham


Has some mid-level rotation associated with it but doesn't look to be anything low level at this time. Winds out of Dallas Love are out of the NE so better odds for surface-based storms over time this afternoon will exist from Waco to Austin later today. Dews drop significantly north/NW of DFW and so the metroplex is right on the edge which is probably why these storms developed this morning and why you have elevated storms north and the surface-based supercell just south of that near Bryson/Jacksboro.
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Re: Texas Spring 2024

#1184 Postby cstrunk » Thu May 09, 2024 12:12 pm

bubba hotep wrote:
HockeyTx82 wrote:That one storm is turning right, I'm surprised it's not Tor Warned. Looks to have some rotation.

North of Graham


It's probably not surface based but can still produce large hail.


That was my thought as well. The storm is north of the quasi-stationary boundary and in an area of lower dewpoints/surface instability. Definitely going to be a hail threat.
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Re: Texas Spring 2024

#1185 Postby cstrunk » Thu May 09, 2024 12:13 pm

Someone mentioned this on another website I visit, but any storm that crosses/rides the boundary along/near I-20 will need to be watched for potential tornado threat.
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Re: Texas Spring 2024

#1186 Postby cheezyWXguy » Thu May 09, 2024 12:23 pm

cstrunk wrote:Someone mentioned this on another website I visit, but any storm that crosses/rides the boundary along/near I-20 will need to be watched for potential tornado threat.

That’s my concern too, first thing I thought of when I saw the SPC’s mesoscale discussion for the area. That, and if there’s any remnant boundaries in the area from the storms going on now
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Re: Texas Spring 2024

#1187 Postby snownado » Thu May 09, 2024 12:33 pm

I think I know where they're going with this, but for now, they only issued a Severe T'Storm Watch for the northern 2 row of Texas Counties.

I'm thinking it's going to be a Tornado Watch for everyone else (we'll find out soon).
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Re: Texas Spring 2024

#1188 Postby rwfromkansas » Thu May 09, 2024 12:38 pm

How can you tell if it’s surface-based? They all look good on tilt 1 of the radar.
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Re: Texas Spring 2024

#1189 Postby HockeyTx82 » Thu May 09, 2024 12:40 pm

I guess there's the dew points. Those are awfully low to have that kind of storm blowing over them
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Re: Texas Spring 2024

#1190 Postby snownado » Thu May 09, 2024 12:41 pm

rwfromkansas wrote:How can you tell if it’s surface-based? They all look good on tilt 1 of the radar.


You can't really tell from the radar. You have to go off the ground reports.
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Re: Texas Spring 2024

#1191 Postby txtwister78 » Thu May 09, 2024 12:42 pm

rwfromkansas wrote:How can you tell if it’s surface-based? They all look good on tilt 1 of the radar.


Moisture contrast (dewpoints), wind direction/boundaries in the area, echo tops etc.
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Re: Texas Spring 2024

#1192 Postby rwfromkansas » Thu May 09, 2024 12:46 pm

My DP has risen significantly through the day from 56 at midnight to 68 now.
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Re: Texas Spring 2024

#1193 Postby snownado » Thu May 09, 2024 12:57 pm

rwfromkansas wrote:My DP has risen significantly through the day from 56 at midnight to 68 now.


Also getting some breaks in the clouds here on Plano.
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Re: Texas Spring 2024

#1194 Postby cheezyWXguy » Thu May 09, 2024 1:05 pm

rwfromkansas wrote:How can you tell if it’s surface-based? They all look good on tilt 1 of the radar.

The stationary front is draped w-e across I-20. That’ll be the dividing line between surface based to the south and elevated to the north
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Re: Texas Spring 2024

#1195 Postby txtwister78 » Thu May 09, 2024 1:20 pm

CAPE already up to 4k south of DFW. Attention will shift further south later this afternoon for anything that can fire in that environment. Look out for monster hail and perhaps an isolated Tornado threat.
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Re: Texas Spring 2024

#1196 Postby bubba hotep » Thu May 09, 2024 1:35 pm

Coverage seems to be more than the 12z runs were showing.
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Re: Texas Spring 2024

#1197 Postby rwfromkansas » Thu May 09, 2024 1:40 pm

Tornado Watch.
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Re: Texas Spring 2024

#1198 Postby snownado » Thu May 09, 2024 1:43 pm

I'm noticing early on the cells developing back out towards Abilene are already trying to take a right turn...
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Re: Texas Spring 2024

#1199 Postby WacoWx » Thu May 09, 2024 1:55 pm

That storm east of Abilene is abt to be a Tor Warned storm. Heck of an outflow boundary too.
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Re: Texas Spring 2024

#1200 Postby captainbarbossa19 » Thu May 09, 2024 1:55 pm

txtwister78 wrote:
rwfromkansas wrote:How can you tell if it’s surface-based? They all look good on tilt 1 of the radar.


Moisture contrast (dewpoints), wind direction/boundaries in the area, echo tops etc.


I mainly just look at LCL heights based on modeled data and observed soundings. 18z observed sounding at DFW shows the LCL at around 900 mb.
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