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Re: ENSO=CPC update=Nino 3.4 up to -0.6C/1-2 area is +0.9C

#1861 Postby Ntxw » Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:44 pm

cycloneye wrote:Climate Prediction Center 2/21/12 Weekly update

All the ENSO regions warmed sustancially with Nino 3.4 up to -0.6C,warmer than the -1.0C that last week's update brought. In fact,Nino 1-2 close to South America is now in positive territory (+0.9C) This shows how La Nina is fading fast and Neutral ENSO will come in short order. The big question is if is going to warm even more and more to jump towards El Nino in a hurry.


That is good news for many of us in drought country. Seems this latest update showed a big jump. This time (as compared to last year) the warmer signals are all across the board. Warmer SST's, depth wise, and the upper air dynamics are becoming more favorable for westerlies to propagate the warmer anomalies as evident with the recent MJO wave movement.

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Re: ENSO=CPC update=Nino 3.4 up to -0.6C/1-2 area is up to +0.9C

#1862 Postby bg1 » Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:52 pm

Cycloneye wrote:Nino 1-2 close to South America is now in positive territory (+0.9C)


:eek: Wow, that's a big jump.
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Re: ENSO=CPC update=Nino 3.4 up to -0.6C/1-2 area is up to +0.9C

#1863 Postby cycloneye » Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:41 pm

Another big jump towards El Nino by the Summer is now forecast by CFSv2. IMO,I think ENSO has reached a point with this CPC update and the models going warm that is almost inevitable a El Nino is comming by the Summer.And that will knock down the numbers for the Atlantic Hurricane Season. The question is if El Nino will remain weak,or it will turn Moderate to Strong at some point,and if that is the case,then the hurricane season really will not be active. But as we know,it only takes one to do all the harm,even if the season is benign.

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#1864 Postby Cyclenall » Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:47 pm

cycloneye wrote:Climate Prediction Center 2/21/12 Weekly update

All the ENSO regions warmed sustancially with Nino 3.4 up to -0.6C,warmer than the -1.0C that last week's update brought. In fact,Nino 1-2 close to South America is now in positive territory (+0.9C) This shows how La Nina is fading fast and Neutral ENSO will come in short order. The big question is if is going to warm even more and more to jump towards El Nino in a hurry.

Cyclenall,what do you think of this rapid big jump of the Pacific in general to a much warmer status?

*Cut*

I think it's by far the worst news of the year weather-wise easily. This is the total exact opposite of what I wanted and I'm pretty aggravated. I knew the last 2 week's values were crucial to the Spring outlook but the last thing I want is a drawn-out cold Spring around here with little activity which with a weak-strong La Nina probably could have avoided. This one piece of data could determine whether or not I watch this up-coming season in all basins in the northern hemisphere. It looks like I probably won't because once it turns El Nino...I'm tired of them, 2009 was bad enough and with no really good substance these last two years I don't have the patience for more of that.

If the 2012 Atlantic season is really quiet with no major landfalls on the US then IMO 2013 will be guaranteed the worst season ever. This is to do with Equilibrium and something has to balance out after all these years of no major landfalls. I don't think all those major landfalls in 2004 and 2005, followed by record nothing is a coincidence.

About the CPC's actual data, is a jump that quick normal (happened before?). It appears that Nino 1-2 had an even larger leap because I don't recall +0.9C anywhere close to the previous values. I bet it was the Kelvin Wave that started it :x .
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Re: ENSO=CPC update=Nino 3.4 up to -0.6C/1-2 area up to +0.9C

#1865 Postby cycloneye » Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:49 am

The ENSO models keep going more warm and joining CFSv2, here is another big jump by ECMWF in this Febuary update going El Niño's way by June.

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Re: ENSO=CPC update=Nino 3.4 up to -0.6C/1-2 area up to +0.9C

#1866 Postby boca » Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:48 am

Can I start a thread for a season cancel for 2012 now in February. Only kidding. We know about 1992 and Andrew. There were 7 storms that year.
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#1867 Postby RL3AO » Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:10 am

I think the WPac was due for a busy season anyway. :lol:
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#1868 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:46 pm

Awesome for us who live in the Pacific!!! I remember the El Nino in 2009! Was a very fun season...

I remember I couldn't wait to get home to open up the NHC website.
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Re: ENSO Updates

#1869 Postby Ntxw » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:12 am

I was looking at the daily SOI and it appears the 30 day values (<- it's the true-er indicator of ENSO) and it appears as if La Nina is quickly losing her grip. The fall has been very fast, and if the index is any indicator, neutral conditions have already set place.

Date: 25 February 2012

Average SOI for last 30 days: 0.4

Average SOI for last 90 days: 11.6

Daily contribution to SOI calculation: -1.0
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Re: ENSO Updates

#1870 Postby cycloneye » Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:07 pm

Ntxw wrote:I was looking at the daily SOI and it appears the 30 day values (<- it's the true-er indicator of ENSO) and it appears as if La Nina is quickly losing her grip. The fall has been very fast, and if the index is any indicator, neutral conditions have already set place.

Date: 25 February 2012

Average SOI for last 30 days: 0.4

Average SOI for last 90 days: 11.6

Daily contribution to SOI calculation: -1.0


In the 30 day graphic it looks dramatic the crash. Indeed,it looks like La Niña if not gone,is in the final respiratory moments.

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#1871 Postby Hurricane Andrew » Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:07 pm

Does a El Nino make for a more active severe weather season?
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#1872 Postby Cyclenall » Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:51 pm

Kingarabian wrote:Awesome for us who live in the Pacific!!! I remember the El Nino in 2009! Was a very fun season...

I remember I couldn't wait to get home to open up the NHC website.

I'm not sure if this was intended to be sarcasm or not. If it wasn't, just remember how recon doesn't get into those Epac monsters fast enough...your enthusiasm might drop :lol: .

cycloneye wrote:In the 30 day graphic it looks dramatic the crash. Indeed,it looks like La Niña if not gone,is in the final respiratory moments.

Where is the resuscitator?

I think I now know what weather cliche I should have put instead of "Our good friend Mr.Shear"...
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Re: ENSO Updates

#1873 Postby ROCK » Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:03 am

I was hoping nuetral this year but not with that jump. crap.....game over... :D
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Re: ENSO=CPC 2/27/12=Nino 3.4 warms to -0.4C (Neutral territory)

#1874 Postby cycloneye » Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:13 pm

Climate Prediction Center 2/27/12 Weekly update

Nino 3.4 continues to be warmer and warmer as this week's update goes up to Neutral status at -0.4C,up from -0.6C that was last week. Nino 3 now is at Warm Neutral +0.2C with Nino 1-2 at +0.9C in El Nino terrotory.

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/a ... ts-web.pdf

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Re: ENSO=CPC 2/27/12=Nino 3.4 up to -0.4C/Nino 3 up to +0.2C

#1875 Postby bg1 » Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:58 pm

Which version of CFS is more reliable: the old or new one?

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A weak El Nino will occur during the peak months of the season.

What is up with all the red on the map?
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Re: ENSO=CPC 2/27/12=Nino 3.4 up to -0.4C/Nino 3 up to +0.2C

#1876 Postby cycloneye » Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:05 pm

bg1 wrote:Which version of CFS is more reliable: the old or new one?

Because if the newer version 2 is correct:
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A weak El Nino will occur during the peak months of the season.

What is up with all the red on the map?


CFSv2 which is the new version of CFS is the one to follow. The old CFS will be discontinued in June.
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Re: ENSO=CPC 2/27/12=Nino 3.4 up to -0.4C / Nino 3 up to +0.2C

#1877 Postby cycloneye » Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:27 pm

Here is Dr Jeff Masters discussion about this 2/27/12 Climate Prediction Center's update.

La Niña, the cooling of the equatorial Pacific waters off the coast of South America that has dramatically affected our weather for most of the past two years, is almost done. Sea surface temperatures (SSTs) over the tropical Eastern Pacific in the area 5°N - 5°S, 120°W - 170°W, also called the "Niña 3.4 region", have warmed rapidly over the past two weeks, and were 0.4°C below average on February 27. This is slightly warmer than the -0.5°C threshold to be considered La Niña conditions, and is the first time since early August that La Niña conditions have not been present. It is likely that SSTs will continue to warm during March and April, and NOAA's Climate Prediction Center is predicting that they will declare an official end to La Niña sometime between March and April. A moderate to strong La Niña began in the summer of 2010, weakened briefly during May - July 2011 to neutral status, then re-intensified to a borderline weak/moderate La Niña from August 2011 - January 2012.


The forecast: neutral or El Niño conditions by fall

The period March - May is the typical time of year that El Niño or La Niña events end, and it is common for the opposite phenomena to take hold by fall. Since 1950, there have been twelve La Niña events that ended during the first half of the year; during six of those years (50%), an El Niño event formed in time for the August - September - October peak of hurricane season. The official forecast from Columbia University's IRI and NOAA's Climate Prediction Center calls for a 31% chance of an El Niño event, 16% chance of a La Niña event, and 53% chance of neutral conditions during the 2012 Atlantic hurricane season. El Niño conditions tend to suppress Atlantic hurricane activity by creating high levels of wind shear that tends to tear hurricanes apart. Given the relatively high chance of an El Niño event this fall, plus ocean temperatures over the tropical Atlantic that are cooler than we saw in 2011 and 2010, I doubt we'll see an Atlantic hurricane season as active as the ones in 2010 and 2011. The demise of La Niña also means that global temperatures should begin to approach record warm levels by the end of the year. The cool waters of a La Niña event keep global temperatures cooler than average.
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Re: ENSO Updates

#1878 Postby Cyclenall » Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:45 pm

ROCK wrote:I was hoping nuetral this year but not with that jump. crap.....game over... :D

Spot on, except the neutral part and change the smilie to this: :grr: . This latest update is game over.
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Re: ENSO=CPC 2/27/12=Nino 3.4 up to -0.4C / Nino 3 up to +0.2C

#1879 Postby cycloneye » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:50 am

Cyclenall,have a smile :) with this small pushback by La Nina about the SOI turning positive. It may be a brief thing,but every day La Nina hangs around in the last respiratory moments is good for those who want to track many systems.

http://www.longpaddock.qld.gov.au/seaso ... soivalues/
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Re: ENSO Updates

#1880 Postby Ptarmigan » Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:03 pm

N3.4 (Niño 3.4 Index)
http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/catalog/cli ... .html#Sec5

Data is from 1871 to 2007. I don't know accurate it is. The values are a little different from NOAA.
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