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#181 Postby cycloneye » Mon May 27, 2019 8:31 pm

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#183 Postby TheStormExpert » Tue May 28, 2019 11:09 am

:uarrow: The Twitter discussion also mentions how 2008 is a seemingly eerie analog with weather events and patterns closely being similar year-to-date. :eek:

Doesn’t mean for certain that a high impact Gulf year is guaranteed but a high impact year nonetheless is becoming seemingly more likely in my opinion, especially if the ENSO goes back neutral for peak season.
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#184 Postby gatorcane » Tue May 28, 2019 1:01 pm

Latest SST anomalies have the look of a potentially active season with cooler than normal northern/subtropical Atlantic and warmer than normal tropical Atlantic:

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#185 Postby cycloneye » Tue May 28, 2019 3:37 pm

Mark Sudduth new Hurricane Outlook and Discussion.

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#186 Postby SFLcane » Tue May 28, 2019 5:40 pm

Great video! Mark put everything in perspective
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#187 Postby SFLcane » Wed May 29, 2019 6:32 am

In all honesty I am not sure what to make of all this it’s a far cry from the extremely hostile slow season wxman57 posted about a few weeks ago back here.
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#188 Postby AutoPenalti » Wed May 29, 2019 7:35 am

Part of me thought this would be an inactive season with ACE > 80, but now with the latest ENSO runs along with increased SST's in the MDR with an active WAM and lower than average shear across the basin... I'm not so sure anymore.
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#189 Postby chaser1 » Wed May 29, 2019 12:29 pm

AutoPenalti wrote:Part of me thought this would be an inactive season with ACE > 80, but now with the latest ENSO runs along with increased SST's in the MDR with an active WAM and lower than average shear across the basin... I'm not so sure anymore.


My biggest conflict is whether I truly buy into the notion that upper level shear across the basin, is truly going to transition as significantly as the CFSv2 has been suggesting over the last couple of weeks. I realize that it's only late May but the CFSv2 200mb - 850mb forecast monthlies are really "doing a 180" by reversing present hostile Westerly UL winds from 25N southward and largely across the Atlantic basin, to a sudden "neutral flow" in July. This in spite of it's July forecast of maintaining strong Westerly UL wind anomaly over the E. Pacific from 15N and southward from there. Finally, it's August forecast eliminates all indication of Atlantic basin anomalous upper level shear conditions with the exception of a band of anomalous UL shear across lower latitudes of the MDR between Africa and the Lessor Antilles. In this case the suggested low latitude shear conditions seem to be in relation to strong Easterly regime, and not reflective at all of any ENSO influence. To me, the CFSv2 long range forecast would seem to reasonably fit within climatology if we were presently experiencing an ENSO neutral pattern right now. Considering that the present ENSO state that has been fairly entrenched for the last 6 months or so was never moderate or strong to begin with, it's slow waning over the East PAC makes me think that a transition to more ENSO neutral conditions across the Atlantic would be slower to occur as well. If this were to be true, then residual ENSO conditions would continue to inhibit development within the S. Gulf, Caribbean, Atlantic MDR and considerably impact those strong Easterly waves that may result from an anticipated vigorous W. Africa monsoon. Perhaps the net result over the far Eastern Atlantic MDR come July or August, will be a couple of fast "spin-ups" before either unraveling as they trek eastward and quickly encounter less favorable conditions or possibly turn sharply pole-ward in response to any far E. Atlantic trough.

None of this takes away from tropical development that a lot of us anticipate will probably occur within some "Goldilocks" zone potentially ranging from the Gulf, across Florida eastward to north of the Greater Antilles, as well as points north from there. Right now though, I'm still questioning two things :think:
1) Will W. Hemisphere pattern changes that result in far more favorable UL conditions within the Caribbean or tropical Atlantic actually transition as quickly & significantly by late July?
2) If a significantly favorable UL pattern were to broadly establish itself this summer from the Gulf, S.E. CONUS, to just north of the Greater Antilles, whether this in combination with other favorable dynamics suggest an even greater enhanced threat of stronger hurricanes to develop within this region then I was originally anticipating for the upcoming season?

I'm beginning to hedge toward the increased concern of the latter occurring. I'm still not quite buying into the former though. I'm still betting (and hoping) that the Lesser Antilles, Puerto Rico, D.R., Cuba, and Jamaica will for the most part get a pass this season.
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#190 Postby NotSparta » Wed May 29, 2019 1:59 pm

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AutoPenalti wrote:Part of me thought this would be an inactive season with ACE > 80, but now with the latest ENSO runs along with increased SST's in the MDR with an active WAM and lower than average shear across the basin... I'm not so sure anymore.


My biggest conflict is whether I truly buy into the notion that upper level shear across the basin, is truly going to transition as significantly as the CFSv2 has been suggesting over the last couple of weeks. I realize that it's only late May but the CFSv2 200mb - 850mb forecast monthlies are really "doing a 180" by reversing present hostile Westerly UL winds from 25N southward and largely across the Atlantic basin, to a sudden "neutral flow" in July. This in spite of it's July forecast of maintaining strong Westerly UL wind anomaly over the E. Pacific from 15N and southward from there. Finally, it's August forecast eliminates all indication of Atlantic basin anomalous upper level shear conditions with the exception of a band of anomalous UL shear across lower latitudes of the MDR between Africa and the Lessor Antilles. In this case the suggested low latitude shear conditions seem to be in relation to strong Easterly regime, and not reflective at all of any ENSO influence. To me, the CFSv2 long range forecast would seem to reasonably fit within climatology if we were presently experiencing an ENSO neutral pattern right now. Considering that the present ENSO state that has been fairly entrenched for the last 6 months or so was never moderate or strong to begin with, it's slow waning over the East PAC makes me think that a transition to more ENSO neutral conditions across the Atlantic would be slower to occur as well. If this were to be true, then residual ENSO conditions would continue to inhibit development within the S. Gulf, Caribbean, Atlantic MDR and considerably impact those strong Easterly waves that may result from an anticipated vigorous W. Africa monsoon. Perhaps the net result over the far Eastern Atlantic MDR come July or August, will be a couple of fast "spin-ups" before either unraveling as they trek eastward and quickly encounter less favorable conditions or possibly turn sharply pole-ward in response to any far E. Atlantic trough.

None of this takes away from tropical development that a lot of us anticipate will probably occur within some "Goldilocks" zone potentially ranging from the Gulf, across Florida eastward to north of the Greater Antilles, as well as points north from there. Right now though, I'm still questioning two things :think:
1) Will W. Hemisphere pattern changes that result in far more favorable UL conditions within the Caribbean or tropical Atlantic actually transition as quickly & significantly by late July?
2) If a significantly favorable UL pattern were to broadly establish itself this summer from the Gulf, S.E. CONUS, to just north of the Greater Antilles, whether this in combination with other favorable dynamics suggest an even greater enhanced threat of stronger hurricanes to develop within this region then I was originally anticipating for the upcoming season?

I'm beginning to hedge toward the increased concern of the latter occurring. I'm still not quite buying into the former though. I'm still betting (and hoping) that the Lesser Antilles, Puerto Rico, D.R., Cuba, and Jamaica will for the most part get a pass this season.


Seems extreme to me as well but I guess that the very strong WAM, like last yr, would decrease shear, along w/ little reflection of El Niño at that point.
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#191 Postby SFLcane » Wed May 29, 2019 2:17 pm

It's ok just a matter of time before wxman57 returns and brings down the hammer with a ridiculously low ace season.
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#192 Postby SoupBone » Wed May 29, 2019 2:30 pm

SFLcane wrote:It's ok just a matter of time before wxman57 returns and brings down the hammer with a ridiculously low ace season.



Is this jokey/sarcasm or am I missing something?
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#193 Postby CyclonicFury » Wed May 29, 2019 3:15 pm

SFLcane wrote:It's ok just a matter of time before wxman57 returns and brings down the hammer with a ridiculously low ace season.

Haha. If Wxman57 controlled the Atlantic, the first storm would form in mid-August, all storms would form in the deep tropics, and the last storm would dissipate in early October. :P
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#194 Postby TheStormExpert » Wed May 29, 2019 4:55 pm

CyclonicFury wrote:
SFLcane wrote:It's ok just a matter of time before wxman57 returns and brings down the hammer with a ridiculously low ace season.

Haha. If Wxman57 controlled the Atlantic, the first storm would form in mid-August, all storms would form in the deep tropics, and the last storm would dissipate in early October. :P

Sounds like a quality over quantity season to me! :)
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#195 Postby Hurricaneman » Thu May 30, 2019 9:20 pm

The more I look at things 2004 may be one of the top analogs as far as SSTA’s and based on that I wouldn’t expect much until July but by August I expect the floodgates of tropical systems to open up
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#198 Postby gatorcane » Fri May 31, 2019 8:07 pm

SST configuration continues to show above normal tropics and cooler than normal subtropics. Certainly has the look it could be an active MDR season. If this continues I think we are going to see expert forecasts up numbers to an above average season:

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#199 Postby storm_in_a_teacup » Fri May 31, 2019 9:54 pm

So like I know for the western Gulf the really bad stuff usually comes at the end of August/beginning of September. I was planning to go back to Houston during July-early August since usually that's not too bad, but I guess what you guys seem to imply is those times will be bad for the western Gulf as well?
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#200 Postby Kingarabian » Fri May 31, 2019 10:29 pm

gatorcane wrote:SST configuration continues to show above normal tropics and cooler than normal subtropics. Certainly has the look it could be an active MDR season. If this continues I think we are going to see expert forecasts up numbers to an above average season:

[url]https://i.postimg.cc/vBrWmrWV/anomw-5-30-2019.gif[url]


I think expert forecasters like Joe Bastardi use these type of CDAS/satellite temps like the one on tropical tidbits:
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These still show a cooler MDR, although it has warmed up in recent weeks.
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