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2009 Hurricane Season Cancelled.

#1 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:33 pm

Well, I suppose the fish storms that stay far at sea may be left alone.


Invention: Supersonic hurricane neutraliser


Each year, hurricanes or typhoons may cause billions of dollars' worth of damage and a large number of fatalities. It would be hugely significant if we could find an effective way of reducing the destructive power of these storms, which convert heat energy from warm oceans into damaging kinetic energy in the atmosphere.

Now Arkadii Leonov at the University of Akron in Ohio says that the complex air flows and other atmospheric "machinery" that produce this prodigious power are surprisingly delicate.

Supersonic solution
In a patent application, Leonov and colleagues say that they can put a spanner in the atmospheric works by flying supersonic jet aircraft in concentric circles around a hurricane's eye, the calm area around which the storm rotates.

The idea is that the sonic-boom shockwave would dramatically raise air pressure in the eye, disrupting the upward flow of warm air that drives the hurricane.

But how many planes would you need? Sonic booms spread out as they travel away from an aircraft, so even a small number of relatively small aircraft could do the job, say Leonov and colleagues.

"Two F-4 jet fighters flying at approximately Mach 1.5 are sufficient to suppress, mitigate and/or destroy a typical sized hurricane/typhoon," they claim in their application.

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Re: 2009 Hurricane Season Cancelled.

#2 Postby HURAKAN » Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:39 pm

:roflmao: :yayaya: :break: :wall: :think: :lol:

Chaos Theory Solution

Mon Dec 01 16:53:32 GMT 2008 by Lord Gravitee

Nonsense.. Have they never heard of Chaos Theory? All that needs to be done is for the dammed butterflies to stay still.


This response to the article is hilarious!
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Re: 2009 Hurricane Season Cancelled.

#3 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:00 pm

It all depends if the jets fly clockwise or counter-clockwise.

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#4 Postby RL3AO » Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:14 pm

A large C-130 spends less than 1% of its flight inside the eyewall and your telling me an F-4 would be able to handle the forces of flying circles in an eyewall of a developed hurricane continuously at mach 1.5?

Not to mention that one plane (or a thousand probably) wouldn't do anything and you couldn't put more than one plane flying inside the eyewall at mach 1.5, without them colliding sooner or later. Even if they were at different altitudes, the turbulence would throw those jets up and down like they were toys.
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Re: 2009 Hurricane Season Cancelled.

#5 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:24 pm

The guy is a PhD at a MAC football school...


Arkadii I. Leonov

Professor of Polymer Engineering
1969 Ph. D., Mathematical Physics, Karpov's Physical Chemistry Research Institute, Moscow 1962 Ph. D., Theoretical Mechanics, Institute of Problems in Mechanics, USSR Academy of Sciences, Moscow 1961 M.C., Mathematics, Moscow State Unviersity 1957 M.S., Chemical Engineering, Moscow Institute of Chemical Engineering

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Thermodynamic modeling, mathematical analysis and basic experiments for polymer melts, filled polymers and disperse systems; theoretical/numerical analysis of complex viscoelastic flows; analysis of instabilities and melt fracture phenomena; chemorheology and chemoprocessing of polymers and their filled compositions; theoretical/experimental studies of nematic LC, LCP, LC elastomers, and clay-nanoparticle polymer suspensions; theory of translation/rotation Brownian motion of particles in viscoelastic fluids and dilute polymer solutions; thermodynamic modeling of polymer solids: hybrid models, nonlinear viscoelasticity, necking and crazing; variational analysis of nonlinear boundary problems for inelastic media.
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Re: 2009 Hurricane Season Cancelled.

#6 Postby MGC » Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:59 pm

Well, Superman did fly around the Earth and reverse its rotation, so I guess the airplane thing is possible....MGC
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Re: 2009 Hurricane Season Cancelled.

#7 Postby tolakram » Tue Dec 02, 2008 10:13 am

He probably researched if the plane could handle the g forces but forgot about the pilots.
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Re: 2009 Hurricane Season Cancelled.

#8 Postby hurricanetrack » Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:35 pm

What is needed is a Flux Capacitor. With it, we can go in to the future and get Bryan Norcross' Hurricane Almanac for the next 20 years or so and then come back to 2009 and tell people exactly when and where the future hurricanes will strike. With ample time, people can take measures to nearly completely mitigate the effects. Thus we could let Nature do what it is meant to do with hurricanes without having them mess up our lives too much.

I think time travel to fetch the Hurricane Almanac 20 years out is more feasible than anything that tries to stop a hurricane from being a hurricane.
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#9 Postby HURAKAN » Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:43 pm

speed of sound at sea level = 340.29 m / s

1 meter / second = 2.23693629 mph

340.29 x 2.23693629 = 761.2 mph

The eye of a hurricane is about 50 miles, more or less. The supersonic boom will have to occur in a split second before the plane is in and out of the eye.
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Re: 2009 Hurricane Season Cancelled.

#10 Postby cycloneye » Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:17 pm

I only say about this,"Dont Mess with Mother Nature".
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Re: 2009 Hurricane Season Cancelled.

#11 Postby HURAKAN » Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:24 pm

cycloneye wrote:I only say about this,"Dont Mess with Mother Nature".


Agree 100%. The money that could be spent in this kind of research should be used to study hurricanes, educate people in the path of hurricanes, and in the preparation to abort catastrophes.
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Re: 2009 Hurricane Season Cancelled.

#12 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Wed Dec 03, 2008 9:23 pm

HAARP causes Hanna and Hurricane Ike.


HAARP causes Chinese earthquakes, says Lyndon LaRouche.


ETA: The person/posts I was mocking seems to have been deleted.
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#13 Postby Frank2 » Sat Dec 06, 2008 3:08 pm

I had just arrived at what was left of my house 48 hours after Hurricane Andrew, when a neighbor (who I think new of my being at the NHC) came up to me and asked the dreaded "Wouldn't it help if "they" dropped an atomic bomb in a hurricane?" comment, but, all I could do at that moment was give him a look of irritation, since I was too busy trying to figure out how many personal belongings I could fit in my hatchback...

Technology can only go so far - personally, from what I can tell, we are now at the point that technology is hurting, not helping, mankind, so, anything that we do to from this point on to defer the force of nature would only cause more problems....

What man needs to do is to learn not to build cities below sea level, or, on fault lines, or, at the foot of volcanoes, or, within 30 miles of the coastline in hurricane-prone areas, or, on hills that are prone to mudslides, etc., etc....

Personally, I'd rather deal with anything that happens in nature than anything that man creates, since the natural event comes and is gone, but, the man-made event usually is the "gift" that keeps on giving...

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#14 Postby jinftl » Sat Dec 06, 2008 5:54 pm

On one of the enivornment/earth shows on The Weather Channel, the host (Dr. Cullen...i think), talked about past efforts to weaken hurricanes. She said something to the effect that it would take hundreds of atom bottoms to even come close to the energy of a typical hurricane...so using the atom bomb just won't cut it....not to mention the environmental and human impact of dropping atomic bombs, even if it is 'at sea'.

We can't 'redesign' nature....we can only try to better understand it and use that understanding to prepare for what she may have in store for us.

And i do agree, the forces of nature...no matter how brutal and extreme...are all part of a larger scheme of equilibrium....these storms serve a role, whether it is the release of energy, removing overgrowth of the tree canopy, etc.


Frank2 wrote:I had just arrived at what was left of my house 48 hours after Hurricane Andrew, when a neighbor (who I think new of my being at the NHC) came up to me and asked the dreaded "Wouldn't it help if "they" dropped an atomic bomb in a hurricane?" comment, but, all I could do at that moment was give him a look of irritation, since I was too busy trying to figure out how many personal belongings I could fit in my hatchback...

Technology can only go so far - personally, from what I can tell, we are now at the point that technology is hurting, not helping, mankind, so, anything that we do to from this point on to defer the force of nature would only cause more problems....

What man needs to do is to learn not to build cities below sea level, or, on fault lines, or, at the foot of volcanoes, or, within 30 miles of the coastline in hurricane-prone areas, or, on hills that are prone to mudslides, etc., etc....

Personally, I'd rather deal with anything that happens in nature than anything that man creates, since the natural event comes and is gone, but, the man-made event usually is the "gift" that keeps on giving...

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#15 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Sun Dec 14, 2008 12:23 am

I do commend their benevolent motivation to stop hurricane disasters,
but sadly, this method is not powerful enough.
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Re: 2009 Hurricane Season Cancelled.

#16 Postby GeneratorPower » Wed Dec 31, 2008 5:37 pm

hurricanetrack wrote:What is needed is a Flux Capacitor. With it, we can go in to the future and get Bryan Norcross' Hurricane Almanac for the next 20 years or so and then come back to 2009 and tell people exactly when and where the future hurricanes will strike. With ample time, people can take measures to nearly completely mitigate the effects. Thus we could let Nature do what it is meant to do with hurricanes without having them mess up our lives too much.

I think time travel to fetch the Hurricane Almanac 20 years out is more feasible than anything that tries to stop a hurricane from being a hurricane.


Nope. People would wait until the last second just like they do now. Then the water would rise higher than they expected, faster than they expected. You could know 30 years ahead of time and people will still not take hurricanes seriously.
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#17 Postby hurricanetrack » Wed Dec 31, 2008 8:02 pm

You are right. We do have history on our side to tell us what WILL happen the next time a hurricane of a certain category will affect a region. And yet, the same thing happens over and over without fail. I am not sure what the solution is except to try and prepare as many people as possible for the worst possible outcome.
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#18 Postby MiamiensisWx » Wed Dec 31, 2008 8:23 pm

hurricanetrack wrote:You are right. We do have history on our side to tell us what WILL happen the next time a hurricane of a certain category will affect a region. And yet, the same thing happens over and over without fail. I am not sure what the solution is except to try and prepare as many people as possible for the worst possible outcome.

Unfortunately, the conundrum even extends to this forum - I can't count the number of times where (some) contributors from southeastern Texas continually made excuses to compensate for their lack of preparedness prior to Ike. The comments told the story. "It's not coming to Houston, based on [non-meteorological reasoning] ---." There were also the "it's only a Category X" retorts, despite numerous (science based) pleas from myself and others. In fact, I continually emphasized the fact that Ike's large wind radii and extensive fetch would contribute to a very significant surge. I even highlighted (on another forum) the Bolivar Peninsula and Beaumont/Port Arthur vicinity as the region that would likely receive the highest surge values. Unfortunately, the aforementioned posters often responded with the "you're -removed- for a disaster" comments, which were entirely unfounded. Finally, it's unfathomable that many people utilized the opinions on this forum, which is NOT an official resource, to support their endless "it's not coming here" comments. I would estimate that these people wasted endless time on this forum and refused to utilize the time frame for constructive preparedness.

I would also adjust the bolded portion of your post - history does not necessarily indicate the impacts of a hurricane (based solely on categories). Hurricane Katrina, an immense Category 3 hurricane, should have provided ample evidence. Hurricane Rita and Hurricane Ike should have confirmed the statements. These hurricanes were much more destructive than Hurricane Charley, which made landfall with stronger (130 kt/150 mph) maximum surface winds. Charley's small wind radii greatly reduced the surge and destructive potential on the southwestern coast of Florida. Many residents have stated that Hurricane Frances, a Category 2 hurricane, caused more severe/widespread damage than the stronger Hurricane Jeanne in east-central Florida.

It is NOT a coincidence that the majority of the deadliest hurricanes (that produced the highest death tolls related to storm surge) have struck the Gulf Coast of the United States. The only exceptions were the 1926 Miami hurricane, the 1928 Okeechobee hurricane, the 1938 Long Island Express, and others. The high death tolls in 1926, 1928, and 1938 were largely created by poor warnings. Katrina's 1,800+ deaths occurred in the modern era. If you traverse history, extremely deadly United States impacts are more common (with higher death tolls) on the Gulf Coast. It is NOT a coincidence that the highest storm surge values (1900, 1915, Carla 1961, Camille 1969, Katrina 2005, Rita 2005, and Ike 2008) have affected the Gulf Coast states. It is NOT a coincidence that the deadliest natural catastrophe in United States history struck the Gulf Coast region.
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#19 Postby vbhoutex » Thu Jan 01, 2009 2:07 am

MiamiensisWx wrote:
hurricanetrack wrote:You are right. We do have history on our side to tell us what WILL happen the next time a hurricane of a certain category will affect a region. And yet, the same thing happens over and over without fail. I am not sure what the solution is except to try and prepare as many people as possible for the worst possible outcome.

Unfortunately, the conundrum even extends to this forum - I can't count the number of times where (some) contributors from southeastern Texas continually made excuses to compensate for their lack of preparedness prior to Ike. The comments told the story. "It's not coming to Houston, based on [non-meteorological reasoning] ---." There were also the "it's only a Category X" retorts, despite numerous (science based) pleas from myself and others. In fact, I continually emphasized the fact that Ike's large wind radii and extensive fetch would contribute to a very significant surge. I even highlighted (on another forum) the Bolivar Peninsula and Beaumont/Port Arthur vicinity as the region that would likely receive the highest surge values. Unfortunately, the aforementioned posters often responded with the "you're -removed- for a disaster" comments, which were entirely unfounded. Finally, it's unfathomable that many people utilized the opinions on this forum, which is NOT an official resource, to support their endless "it's not coming here" comments. I would estimate that these people wasted endless time on this forum and refused to utilize the time frame for constructive preparedness.

I would also adjust the bolded portion of your post - history does not necessarily indicate the impacts of a hurricane (based solely on categories). Hurricane Katrina, an immense Category 3 hurricane, should have provided ample evidence. Hurricane Rita and Hurricane Ike should have confirmed the statements. These hurricanes were much more destructive than Hurricane Charley, which made landfall with stronger (130 kt/150 mph) maximum surface winds. Charley's small wind radii greatly reduced the surge and destructive potential on the southwestern coast of Florida. Many residents have stated that Hurricane Frances, a Category 2 hurricane, caused more severe/widespread damage than the stronger Hurricane Jeanne in east-central Florida.

It is NOT a coincidence that the majority of the deadliest hurricanes (that produced the highest death tolls related to storm surge) have struck the Gulf Coast of the United States. The only exceptions were the 1926 Miami hurricane, the 1928 Okeechobee hurricane, the 1938 Long Island Express, and others. The high death tolls in 1926, 1928, and 1938 were largely created by poor warnings. Katrina's 1,800+ deaths occurred in the modern era. If you traverse history, extremely deadly United States impacts are more common (with higher death tolls) on the Gulf Coast. It is NOT a coincidence that the highest storm surge values (1900, 1915, Carla 1961, Camille 1969, Katrina 2005, Rita 2005, and Ike 2008) have affected the Gulf Coast states. It is NOT a coincidence that the deadliest natural catastrophe in United States history struck the Gulf Coast region.


I beg to differ!!! And how dare you make statements assuming many people made decisions that were detrimental to themselves and others because they read Storm2K? Show me the proof!!
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Re: 2009 Hurricane Season Cancelled.

#20 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:48 am

Let me see if I can finally post this without creating a double post, of which one can't be removed without killing both posts.

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I can think of one pro-met as far East as SW Louisiana 3 days out, and all us amateurs post disclaimers. I have a feeling not a single person in Bolivar or vicinity said to themselves "hmmmm, the NWS says I should evacuate or risk death. but some amateur poster at the Storm2K forum thinks it'll miss, so I'll just ignore the experts and their evacuation orders".
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