Expert forecasts for 2014 N Atl Hurricane season

This is the general tropical discussion area. Anyone can take their shot at predicting a storms path.

Moderator: S2k Moderators

Forum rules

The posts in this forum are NOT official forecasts and should not be used as such. They are just the opinion of the poster and may or may not be backed by sound meteorological data. They are NOT endorsed by any professional institution or STORM2K. For official information, please refer to products from the National Hurricane Center and National Weather Service.

Help Support Storm2K
Message
Author
User avatar
cycloneye
Admin
Admin
Posts: 139079
Age: 67
Joined: Thu Oct 10, 2002 10:54 am
Location: San Juan, Puerto Rico

Expert forecasts for 2014 N Atl Hurricane season

#1 Postby cycloneye » Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:53 pm

I know no one cares in December about what experts think the next hurricane season will turn out to be and after what occurred with them in 2013 more so but I am making this thread for information to the members.Is very,very early but the CSU folks have released a general assessment of factors that may contribute to how the 2014 season may be. But as time goes by,the list of experts releasing their forecasts will start to grow so stay tuned in the coming months for that. All the forecasts will be posted on the first post of the thread.

CSU --- December 10 Qualitative discussion of Hurricane Activity for 2014 North Atlantic season --- http://hurricane.atmos.colostate.edu/Fo ... ec2013.pdf

April 10 Extended range forecast --- 9/3/1 --- http://hurricane.atmos.colostate.edu/Fo ... pr2014.pdf

June 2 updated forecast --- 10/4/1 --- http://hurricane.atmos.colostate.edu/Fo ... un2014.pdf

July 31 updated forecast --- 10/4/1 http://hurricane.atmos.colostate.edu/Fo ... ug2014.pdf

August 14 two week forecast from August 14 thru the 28th --- Below average --- http://hurricane.atmos.colostate.edu/In ... 4_2014.pdf

August 28 two week forecast from August 28 thru September 10--- Below average --- http://tropical.atmos.colostate.edu/Inc ... 8_2014.pdf

September 11 two week forecast from September 11 thru September 24 --- Below average --- http://hurricane.atmos.colostate.edu/In ... 1_2014.pdf

September 25 two week forecast from September 25 thru October 8 --- Below average --- http://hurricane.atmos.colostate.edu/In ... 5_2014.pdf

October-November forecast --- Below average --- http://hurricane.atmos.colostate.edu/In ... recast.pdf

Verification of 2014 forecast --- http://hurricane.atmos.colostate.edu/Fo ... ov2014.pdf



TSR --- December 12 Extended Range forecast of Hurricane Activity for 2014 North Atlantic season: 14/6/3 --- http://www.tropicalstormrisk.com/docs/T ... ec2014.pdf

April 7 forecast --- 12/5/2 --- http://www.tropicalstormrisk.com/docs/T ... pr2014.pdf

June 5 forecast --- 12/5/2 --- http://www.tropicalstormrisk.com/docs/T ... un2014.pdf

July 4 forecast --- 12/5/2 --- http://www.tropicalstormrisk.com/docs/T ... ul2014.pdf

August 5 forecast --- 12/6/2 --- http://www.tropicalstormrisk.com/docs/T ... ug2014.pdf



NOAA --- May forecast --- 8-13 named storms --- http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/o ... cane.shtml

August forecast --- 7-12 named storms http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/o ... cane.shtml

Accuweather --- Forecast for season --- 10 named storms /5 hurricanes --- http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2 ... t/9073359/

Joe Bastardi --- Forecast for season --- 8-10 named storms --- http://www.weatherbell.com/saturday-sum ... ch-29-2014

ImpactWeather--- Forecast for 2014 North Atlantic season: 10/4/1 --- http://www.businessinsurance.com/articl ... 306|64|302

Levi Cowan --- First outlook for North Atlantic season: 8-10 named storms --- http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/blog/201 ... ne-season/

Global Weather Oscillation firm --- Forecast of 2014 North Atlantic season: 17/8/3 --- http://www.prweb.com/releases/2014/01/prweb11492804.htm

NC State forecast--- 8-11 named storms --- http://news.ncsu.edu/releases/hurricane2014/

UK Met Office (5/22/14) --- 7-13 named storms --- http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/tro ... lantic2014

FSU COAPS (5/29/14) forecast --- 5-9 named storms --- http://coaps.fsu.edu/hurricanes/

WSI --- 11/5/2 --- http://www.naturalgasintel.com/articles ... -unchanged
0 likes   
Visit the Caribbean-Central America Weather Thread where you can find at first post web cams,radars
and observations from Caribbean basin members Click Here

tolakram
Admin
Admin
Posts: 19165
Age: 60
Joined: Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:23 pm
Location: Florence, KY (name is Mark)

Re: Expert forecasts for 2014 N Atlantic Season (See first post)

#2 Postby tolakram » Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:57 pm

Good read. Looks like they are pretty convinced what caused the 2013 bust and will be incorporating it into future forecasts, so already the big bust has created opportunities to increase forecast accuracy.
0 likes   
M a r k
- - - - -
Join us in chat: Storm2K Chatroom Invite. Android and IOS apps also available.

The posts in this forum are NOT official forecasts and should not be used as such. Posts are NOT endorsed by any professional institution or STORM2K.org. For official information and forecasts, please refer to NHC and NWS products.

User avatar
cycloneye
Admin
Admin
Posts: 139079
Age: 67
Joined: Thu Oct 10, 2002 10:54 am
Location: San Juan, Puerto Rico

Re: Expert forecasts for 2014 N Atlantic Season (See first post)

#3 Postby cycloneye » Fri Dec 13, 2013 6:34 pm

TSR released their first 2014 forecast. You can read the complete report at first post but here are the highlights.

Based on current and projected climate signals, North Atlantic basin tropical cyclone activity in 2014 is forecast to be close to the long-term (1950-2013) norm and 20% below the recent 2004-2013 10-year norm. U.S. landfalling hurricane activity is forecast to be close to the 2004-2013 10-year norm.

TSR forecasts:
•14 tropical storms including six hurricanes and three intense hurricanes. This compares to long-term norms of 11, six and three respectively, and to 2004-2013 norms of 16, eight and four respectively.
•An ACE (Accumulated Cyclone Energy) value of 106. The long-term and recent 2004-2013 norm values are 102 and 129 respectively.
•A 40% likelihood that activity will be in the top one-third of years historically, a 33% likelihood it will be in the middle one-third of years historically and a 27% chance it will be in the bottom one-third of years historically.
•Four tropical storm and two hurricane landfalls on the U.S. mainland.

The key factors behind the TSR forecast for a near-normal season are the anticipated persistence of slightly warmer-than-normal sea surface temperatures in the tropical North Atlantic, and an expectation of weak El Ni&#241o conditions in the tropical Pacific Ocean during August/September 2014. The former acts as a small enhancing effect and the latter acts as a small suppressing effect on North Atlantic hurricane activity.

It should be stressed that forecast uncertainties at this extended (December) lead are large. The precision of TSR's extended range outlooks between 1980 and 2013 is low.
0 likes   
Visit the Caribbean-Central America Weather Thread where you can find at first post web cams,radars
and observations from Caribbean basin members Click Here

hurricanes1234
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 2903
Joined: Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:19 pm
Location: Trinidad and Tobago

#4 Postby hurricanes1234 » Fri Dec 13, 2013 8:36 pm

In my opinion, they're forecasting a generally average season based on all past seasons. An average season sees 3 major hurricanes, with 6 hurricanes. I think this is reasonable, and I think next year will be a season like 2007 (no Category 5s though).

MY PERSONAL OPINION ONLY.
0 likes   
PLEASE NOTE: With the exception of information from weather agencies that I may copy and paste here, my posts will NEVER be official, since I am NOT a meteorologist. They are solely my amateur opinion, and may or may not be accurate. Therefore, please DO NOT use them as official details, particularly when making important decisions. Thank you.

User avatar
cycloneye
Admin
Admin
Posts: 139079
Age: 67
Joined: Thu Oct 10, 2002 10:54 am
Location: San Juan, Puerto Rico

Re: Expert forecasts for 2014 N Atlantic Season (See first post)

#5 Postby cycloneye » Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:20 am

tolakram wrote:Good read. Looks like they are pretty convinced what caused the 2013 bust and will be incorporating it into future forecasts, so already the big bust has created opportunities to increase forecast accuracy.


Agree 100%. They will enter in new territory in terms of forecasting as they gather new information about small scale changes and how the Thermoline Circulation is behaving.
0 likes   
Visit the Caribbean-Central America Weather Thread where you can find at first post web cams,radars
and observations from Caribbean basin members Click Here

User avatar
blp
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 2805
Age: 45
Joined: Thu Sep 09, 2004 7:51 pm
Location: Miami, FL
Contact:

Re: Expert forecasts for 2014 N Atlantic Season (See first post)

#6 Postby blp » Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:40 pm

cycloneye wrote:
tolakram wrote:Good read. Looks like they are pretty convinced what caused the 2013 bust and will be incorporating it into future forecasts, so already the big bust has created opportunities to increase forecast accuracy.


Agree 100%. They will enter in new territory in terms of forecasting as they gather new information about small scale changes and how the Thermoline Circulation is behaving.


It was an interesting observation. I wonder if they can apply this back to see if this is part of a longer trend or just an anomaly to this year.
0 likes   
The following post is NOT an official forecast and should not be used as such. It is just the opinion of the poster and may or may not be backed by sound meteorological data. It is NOT endorsed by any professional institution including storm2k.org For Official Information please refer to the NHC and NWS products.

ninel conde
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 1245
Joined: Mon Aug 04, 2008 2:18 pm

#7 Postby ninel conde » Tue Dec 31, 2013 5:14 pm

i think 2013 has shook everyone up and just about everyone will be conservative in 2014.
0 likes   
The posts in this forum are NOT official forecast and should not be used as such. They are just the opinion of the poster and may or may not be backed by sound meteorological data. They are NOT endorsed by any professional institution or storm2k.org. For official information, please refer to the NHC and NWS products.

CrazyC83
Professional-Met
Professional-Met
Posts: 33393
Joined: Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:57 pm
Location: Deep South, for the first time!

#8 Postby CrazyC83 » Fri Jan 03, 2014 1:40 pm

I don't think the overall conditions have changed one iota from the 2013 season. If they don't change in the short to medium term, then 2014 looks to be another (mostly) inactive season IMO.
0 likes   

WeatherEmperor
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 4806
Age: 40
Joined: Thu Sep 04, 2003 2:54 pm
Location: South Florida

Re: Expert forecasts for 2014 N Atlantic Season (See first post)

#9 Postby WeatherEmperor » Sat Jan 04, 2014 5:52 pm

CrazyC83 wrote:I don't think the overall conditions have changed one iota from the 2013 season. If they don't change in the short to medium term, then 2014 looks to be another (mostly) inactive season IMO.


Are you talking about dry air in the atlantic basin?

Sent from my HTC EVO 4G LTE
0 likes   

CrazyC83
Professional-Met
Professional-Met
Posts: 33393
Joined: Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:57 pm
Location: Deep South, for the first time!

Re: Expert forecasts for 2014 N Atlantic Season (See first post)

#10 Postby CrazyC83 » Sat Jan 04, 2014 6:56 pm

WeatherEmperor wrote:
CrazyC83 wrote:I don't think the overall conditions have changed one iota from the 2013 season. If they don't change in the short to medium term, then 2014 looks to be another (mostly) inactive season IMO.


Are you talking about dry air in the atlantic basin?

Sent from my HTC EVO 4G LTE


Correct, dry air and stability relative to normal.
0 likes   

User avatar
cycloneye
Admin
Admin
Posts: 139079
Age: 67
Joined: Thu Oct 10, 2002 10:54 am
Location: San Juan, Puerto Rico

Re: Expert forecasts for 2014 N Atlantic Season (See first post)

#11 Postby cycloneye » Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:24 am

In my view,the most important factor to watch will be how ENSO is doing in the next few months. As we know,it has been since 2009 that El Nino was present in the equatorial Pacific and since that year it has been Neutral until now. It will be interesting to see if El Nino comes at some point in 2014 to see if it's presence affects the mid level dry factor that was a big detriment to the past 2013 season. Follow the ENSO updates here. Let's see how the experts forecast this 2014 season as ENSO do it's dance between Neutral and possibly going to El Nino and how this affects their projections.
0 likes   
Visit the Caribbean-Central America Weather Thread where you can find at first post web cams,radars
and observations from Caribbean basin members Click Here

User avatar
TheStormExpert
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 8487
Age: 30
Joined: Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:38 pm
Location: Palm Beach Gardens, FL

#12 Postby TheStormExpert » Sun Jan 05, 2014 2:50 pm

IMO, the likelihood of an El Niño is higher than the likelihood of an La Niña or Neutral conditions. I'm actually hoping for an El Niño to occur especially after how much the 2013 season underperformed. At least if we get an El Niño no one will be shocked to actually see a quiet season like 2013 again.
0 likes   
The following post is NOT an official forecast and should not be used as such. It is just the opinion of the poster and may or may not be backed by sound meteorological data. It is NOT endorsed by storm2k.org.

ninel conde
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 1245
Joined: Mon Aug 04, 2008 2:18 pm

Re: Expert forecasts for 2014 N Atlantic Season (See first post)

#13 Postby ninel conde » Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:54 pm

CrazyC83 wrote:
WeatherEmperor wrote:
CrazyC83 wrote:I don't think the overall conditions have changed one iota from the 2013 season. If they don't change in the short to medium term, then 2014 looks to be another (mostly) inactive season IMO.


Are you talking about dry air in the atlantic basin?

Sent from my HTC EVO 4G LTE


Correct, dry air and stability relative to normal.


so far the multi-year trend of a very stable atlantic continues.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/TCFP/da ... t_THDV.gif

far below normal. if its still far below normal in late may it might be wise to expect a meagre season, regardless of ENSO.
0 likes   
The posts in this forum are NOT official forecast and should not be used as such. They are just the opinion of the poster and may or may not be backed by sound meteorological data. They are NOT endorsed by any professional institution or storm2k.org. For official information, please refer to the NHC and NWS products.

Ntxw
Storm2k Moderator
Storm2k Moderator
Posts: 21501
Joined: Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:34 pm
Location: DFW, Texas

#14 Postby Ntxw » Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:41 pm

Statistically speaking it's more likely to be active than 2013. Of course that's not saying much since 2013 was just unusually quiet. Question is will it be another slop-mess of a year or bang for the buck, usually the hints come late spring and early summer. If the gulf and Carib has something decent in June/July that isn't so much subtropical or dies then it's a good sign of an active season vice versa because it signals the atmosphere is recovering. Something to watch will be Tornado season, there were big ones in 2013 but not that many on a wide scale as the year ended up well below normal with the hurricane season. Not so much the storms themselves but shows what kind of instability or stability is in the atmosphere.
0 likes   
The above post and any post by Ntxw is NOT an official forecast and should not be used as such. It is just the opinion of the poster and may or may not be backed by sound meteorological data. It is NOT endorsed by any professional institution including Storm2k. For official information, please refer to NWS products.

  Help support Storm2K!
Help Support Storm2K

User avatar
Hurricaneman
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 7281
Age: 43
Joined: Tue Aug 31, 2004 3:24 pm
Location: central florida

Re:

#15 Postby Hurricaneman » Fri Jan 10, 2014 11:50 am

Ntxw wrote:Statistically speaking it's more likely to be active than 2013. Of course that's not saying much since 2013 was just unusually quiet. Question is will it be another slop-mess of a year or bang for the buck, usually the hints come late spring and early summer. If the gulf and Carib has something decent in June/July that isn't so much subtropical or dies then it's a good sign of an active season vice versa because it signals the atmosphere is recovering. Something to watch will be Tornado season, there were big ones in 2013 but not that many on a wide scale as the year ended up well below normal with the hurricane season. Not so much the storms themselves but shows what kind of instability or stability is in the atmosphere.


There seems to be a connection somewhat and may be a factor towards forecasting the hurricane season

It also seems to be that if April, May and June especially May and June are active as far as tornadoes that a more quality over quantity year will like 1980, 1981, 1989, 1995, 1998, 1999, 2004, 2005, 2008, 2010, 2011 But this idea has its outliers with low hurricane activity like 1982, 1983, 1984, 1990, 1991, 1992{Other than Andrew nothing else was notable} 1993, 1994, 1997, 2007, 2009, due most likely to a traditional El Nino or dry air

So if we have a have a high number of tornadoes in the April, May, and June timeframe and no El Nino pops up then the 2014 hurricane season may be a bad one that people were expecting last year but if June is quieter in terms of tornadoes or an El Nino develops then we may have a quantity over quality year which if you like tracking hurricanes is no good{but good if something landfalls as something weak instead of strong}

The posts in this forum are NOT official forecast and should not be used as such. They are just the opinion of the poster and may or may not be backed by sound meteorological data. They are NOT endorsed by any professional institution or storm2k.org. For official information, please refer to the NHC and NWS products
0 likes   

User avatar
Ptarmigan
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 5272
Joined: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:06 pm

Re: Re:

#16 Postby Ptarmigan » Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:32 am

Ntxw wrote:Statistically speaking it's more likely to be active than 2013. Of course that's not saying much since 2013 was just unusually quiet. Question is will it be another slop-mess of a year or bang for the buck, usually the hints come late spring and early summer. If the gulf and Carib has something decent in June/July that isn't so much subtropical or dies then it's a good sign of an active season vice versa because it signals the atmosphere is recovering. Something to watch will be Tornado season, there were big ones in 2013 but not that many on a wide scale as the year ended up well below normal with the hurricane season. Not so much the storms themselves but shows what kind of instability or stability is in the atmosphere.


2013 is an outlier like 2005 for the opposite reason. I have never seen back to back inactive season during the warm phase of Atlantic. I have seen back to back inactive seasons during cool phase.
0 likes   

tolakram
Admin
Admin
Posts: 19165
Age: 60
Joined: Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:23 pm
Location: Florence, KY (name is Mark)

Re: Expert forecasts for 2014 N Atlantic Season (See first post)

#17 Postby tolakram » Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:39 pm

I wonder if the big cold outbreak we just experienced will help to mix up the atmoshpere a bit?
0 likes   
M a r k
- - - - -
Join us in chat: Storm2K Chatroom Invite. Android and IOS apps also available.

The posts in this forum are NOT official forecasts and should not be used as such. Posts are NOT endorsed by any professional institution or STORM2K.org. For official information and forecasts, please refer to NHC and NWS products.

Ntxw
Storm2k Moderator
Storm2k Moderator
Posts: 21501
Joined: Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:34 pm
Location: DFW, Texas

Re: Re:

#18 Postby Ntxw » Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:29 pm

Ptarmigan wrote:2013 is an outlier like 2005 for the opposite reason. I have never seen back to back inactive season during the warm phase of Atlantic. I have seen back to back inactive seasons during cool phase.


That's a good point but we can't say it won't be just because it hasn't before. We have to look at why, the atmosphere was dry globally overall and has been for several years. 2013 was anomalous yes, but it's been building as we saw a sloppy couple of season before that (refer to vertical instability). Something has to change up there for there to be good merit that it will not repeat.
0 likes   
The above post and any post by Ntxw is NOT an official forecast and should not be used as such. It is just the opinion of the poster and may or may not be backed by sound meteorological data. It is NOT endorsed by any professional institution including Storm2k. For official information, please refer to NWS products.



  Help support Storm2K!

Help Support Storm2K


User avatar
wxman57
Moderator-Pro Met
Moderator-Pro Met
Posts: 22482
Age: 66
Joined: Sat Jun 21, 2003 8:06 pm
Location: Houston, TX (southwest)

Re: Expert forecasts for 2014 N Atlantic Season (See first post)

#19 Postby wxman57 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:35 am

Even if anyone does have a good handle on precisely what happened in 2013 (which I don't think is true), then the next question would be can such conditions be forecast many months in advance? Phil Klotzbach & I have discussed last season quite a bit and there are significant questions as to whether such conditions can be forecast for more than a month in advance. Instability across the Caribbean & Tropical Atlantic remains well below normal. Will that change by summer? Who can tell?
0 likes   

User avatar
TheStormExpert
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 8487
Age: 30
Joined: Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:38 pm
Location: Palm Beach Gardens, FL

#20 Postby TheStormExpert » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:35 pm

I feel that 2014 will once again be a below average season somewhat similar to 2013. :uarrow: Might as well just play it safe and expect the possibility of well below average instability throughout the Atlantic basin especially the Caribbean and Tropical Atlantic. Pretty decent chance that this season will in fact be an El Niño season since we have not seen an El Niño season in over four years now. Also would not be surprised to see a good bit of dry air and wind shear throughout the season especially if an El Niño does occur. But of course it is WAY TOO SOON to be making these types of predictions for the 2014 season especially after the big bust of a season 2013 was.
0 likes   
The following post is NOT an official forecast and should not be used as such. It is just the opinion of the poster and may or may not be backed by sound meteorological data. It is NOT endorsed by storm2k.org.


Return to “Talkin' Tropics”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: AnnularCane, Hurricane2022, MetroMike and 182 guests