Tropical Wave off Central America (Is Invest 92E)

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Tropical Wave off Central America (Is Invest 92E)

#1 Postby Kingarabian » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:22 pm

A massive potential threat to Mexico and to the south western states of the CONUS is forecast by numerous models including the GFS.

I know it's not normal to have a thread for an EPAC storm but I think this storm deserves it since the GFS calls for it to be a strong major hurricane and it is likely to have some affects on SoCal and Arizona.

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#2 Postby CrazyC83 » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:31 pm

Assuming 11E becomes Lowell, this looks to be Marie and potentially the storm of the year in the Western Hemisphere?
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Re: Tropical Wave Over Central America (0%/70%)

#3 Postby cycloneye » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:34 pm

You can see already plenty of convection south of Panama and Costa Rica.
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#4 Postby gatorcane » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:38 pm

This one looks like it is going to be a whopper! The ECMWF and GFS are extremely bullish.
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#5 Postby Yellow Evan » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:38 pm

GFS develops this in about 60-96 hours.
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Re: Tropical Wave Over Central America (0%/70%)

#6 Postby Ntxw » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:39 pm

If you follow this animation of the GFS you will see that the environment setting up for this potential system is very ripe and very conducive. 2 even 3 Sigma or greater CCKW passage.

http://www.atmos.albany.edu/student/ven ... lobal.html
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Re: Tropical Wave Over Central America (0%/70%)

#7 Postby Yellow Evan » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:42 pm

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CFS on board with this too.
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#8 Postby gatorcane » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:46 pm

12Z ECMWF 240 hours, moving NW off the coast of Baja - quite strong:
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#9 Postby TheStormExpert » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:48 pm

Do any of the models have this affecting any of the SW U.S. States as a TC?
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#10 Postby Kingarabian » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:51 pm

Seems crazy that if it gets pulled NE that a hurricane may strike California. Unfortunately it seems realistic.
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#11 Postby Yellow Evan » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:59 pm

TheStormExpert wrote:Do any of the models have this affecting any of the SW U.S. States as a TC?


As a weakening one, yes. It has it passing a little E of the Central Coast as a TD.
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Re: Tropical Wave Over Central America (0%/70%)

#12 Postby supercane4867 » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:59 pm

18z HWRF predicts an incredible outflow pattern with equatorward channel enhanced by Antarctic westerlies at development stage of the storm

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#13 Postby Kingarabian » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:03 pm

Yellow Evan wrote:
TheStormExpert wrote:Do any of the models have this affecting any of the SW U.S. States as a TC?


As a weakening one, yes. It has it passing a little E of the Central Coast as a TD.

Does something pull it over to the NE? Or just regular flow because it's weak?
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#14 Postby Yellow Evan » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:11 pm

Kingarabian wrote:
Yellow Evan wrote:
TheStormExpert wrote:Do any of the models have this affecting any of the SW U.S. States as a TC?


As a weakening one, yes. It has it passing a little E of the Central Coast as a TD.

Does something pull it over to the NE? Or just regular flow because it's weak?


Sorry, I meant W.
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#15 Postby cycloneye » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:22 pm

If I see the timing right,this wave at the southern extent is what was Invest 94L.
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Re: Tropical Wave Over Central America (0%/70%)

#16 Postby Yellow Evan » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:28 pm

cycloneye wrote:If I see the timing right,this wave at the southern extent is what was Invest 94L.


It appears to be ex-94L. I tracked it as such.
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#17 Postby Alyono » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:31 pm

not sure this will be intense enough to survive the full distance to California. Models are showing cat 3 or cat 4 at peak. We probably would need a cat 5 at peak UNLESS this were to end up going up the Gulf of California and then into Arizona
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#18 Postby CaliforniaResident » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:39 pm

Alyono wrote:not sure this will be intense enough to survive the full distance to California. Models are showing cat 3 or cat 4 at peak. We probably would need a cat 5 at peak UNLESS this were to end up going up the Gulf of California and then into Arizona


As a TS or an actual hurricane?

it's questionable whether or not a hurricane could physically landfall in the L.A. area but a TS certainly could make it as far north as L.A. (it did in 1939). A weak TS might be more of a blessing than a curse- it would surely cause some damage caused by fallen trees, mudslides and some flash flooding but it would put a very early end to the fire season and make a major dent in the drought.
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#19 Postby Alyono » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:43 pm

even to survive as a TS, this will have to become incredibly powerful. We wont have a trough moving the system at 30 mph or faster, which would allow a weaker storm
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#20 Postby Yellow Evan » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:48 pm

I don't srsly think this will make it to California either.

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