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Re: 2017 EPAC Season

#481 Postby Ntxw » Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:34 am

From Mike Ventrice's site

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You can see convectively active kelvin wave moving through soon robustly from the wpac (and eventually Atlantic a bit later) in blue
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Re: 2017 EPAC Season

#482 Postby Ntxw » Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:48 am

TheStormExpert wrote:
gatorcane wrote:Seems the only thing creating shear in the EPAC are other hurricanes. Other than that there is little if any shear across the entire EPAC. Meanwhile the Atlantic is full of upper-level lows, shear, dry air. Definitely a tale of two worlds at the moment as soon as you cross Central America into the Caribbean.

Wonder what environmental conditions would be like if we didn't have Central America and Mexico splitting up the Atlantic and East Pacific.


It wouldn't be too much different. The Atlantic has to contend with SAL which is dust and mid level dry air due to the climate of N. Africa. If not for that, the Atlantic would be active from May to Nov like the EPAC. Northern SA and CA is a moist region with rainforests along with a moist, warm SW Carib. That would be my guess with initial thoughts.
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Re: 2017 EPAC Season

#483 Postby RL3AO » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:03 am

Ntxw wrote:
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gatorcane wrote:Seems the only thing creating shear in the EPAC are other hurricanes. Other than that there is little if any shear across the entire EPAC. Meanwhile the Atlantic is full of upper-level lows, shear, dry air. Definitely a tale of two worlds at the moment as soon as you cross Central America into the Caribbean.

Wonder what environmental conditions would be like if we didn't have Central America and Mexico splitting up the Atlantic and East Pacific.


It wouldn't be too much different. The Atlantic has to contend with SAL which is dust and mid level dry air due to the climate of N. Africa. If not for that, the Atlantic would be active from May to Nov like the EPAC. Northern SA and CA is a moist region with rainforests along with a moist, warm SW Carib. That would be my guess with initial thoughts.

I'm guessing some major changes due to shifts in ENSO. The cold currents near South America would likely change if warm water from the Atlantic rushed into the Pacific. I'd be curious to see how big the changes are, but I'd lean towards them being massive (for the entire planet) and not minor.
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Re: 2017 EPAC Season

#484 Postby RL3AO » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:08 am

Ntxw wrote:
TheStormExpert wrote:
gatorcane wrote:Seems the only thing creating shear in the EPAC are other hurricanes. Other than that there is little if any shear across the entire EPAC. Meanwhile the Atlantic is full of upper-level lows, shear, dry air. Definitely a tale of two worlds at the moment as soon as you cross Central America into the Caribbean.

Wonder what environmental conditions would be like if we didn't have Central America and Mexico splitting up the Atlantic and East Pacific.


It wouldn't be too much different. The Atlantic has to contend with SAL which is dust and mid level dry air due to the climate of N. Africa. If not for that, the Atlantic would be active from May to Nov like the EPAC. Northern SA and CA is a moist region with rainforests along with a moist, warm SW Carib. That would be my guess with initial thoughts.


After a little digging, this has actually happened in the past. The Isthmus of Panama is the primary reason the Atlantic Gulf Stream is so strong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_American_Seaway
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Re: 2017 EPAC Season

#485 Postby cycloneye » Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:30 pm

The long range strong Hurricane that GFS has continued to have begins to develop on August 1.

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Re: 2017 EPAC Season

#486 Postby cycloneye » Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:49 pm

An area of low pressure could form several hundred miles south of
Mexico in a day or two. Development, if any, of this system is
expected to be slow to occur for the next few days while it moves
west-northwestward at 5 to 10 mph. Upper-level winds could become
more conducive for some development by the weekend as Hurricane
Hilary moves farther away from the disturbance.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...near 0 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...low...30 percent.
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Re: 2017 EPAC Season

#487 Postby cycloneye » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:47 pm

EC joins GFS on the long range system.
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Re: 2017 EPAC Season

#488 Postby Ntxw » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:19 pm

cycloneye wrote:EC joins GFS on the long range system.


Euro does as the range is getting closer. Looks like Jova will likely be tracking next week.
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Re: 2017 EPAC Season

#489 Postby WeatherGuesser » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:27 pm

Named by Monday?

If so, any kind of anything to note for July?
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Re: 2017 EPAC Season

#490 Postby Ntxw » Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:27 pm

WeatherGuesser wrote:Named by Monday?

If so, any kind of anything to note for July?


Nothing record shattering just very active. Probably top 5 ACE for July
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Re: 2017 EPAC Season

#491 Postby Ntxw » Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:27 pm

GOES 16 view of the twins Hilary and Irwin

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Re: 2017 EPAC Season

#493 Postby gatorcane » Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:20 pm

18Z GFS going down to 948mb for the system is has been showing for next week which moves close to the Mexican coastline. Skeptical on this intensity prediction.
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Re: 2017 EPAC Season

#494 Postby NDG » Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:12 am

It looks like this month will fall short to July of last year with the number of named storms & hurricanes. Environment not quiet as good as last year. All in all still a very impressive cyclone production month in the EPAC, especially compared to the rest of the basins.
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Re: 2017 EPAC Season

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Re: 2017 EPAC Season

#496 Postby Kingarabian » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:17 am

NDG wrote:It looks like this month will fall short to July of last year with the number of named storms & hurricanes. Environment not quiet as good as last year. All in all still a very impressive cyclone production month in the EPAC, especially compared to the rest of the basins.


Last year the storms had space and time between them. This year they sheared each other apart. Greg shouldve became a hurricane but didn't because of proximity to Irwin, and Hilary has the same issues.
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Re: 2017 EPAC Season

#497 Postby Kingarabian » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:19 am

Main thing for this season is ASO. Last seasons ASO could've been better but didn't due to the Niña shear.
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Re: 2017 EPAC Season

#498 Postby Ntxw » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:16 pm

Pretty consistent signal from general guidance EPAC will have potential Jova next week. Area of interest should start showing up late this weekend and might be a hurricane by late week

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Re: 2017 EPAC Season

#499 Postby Hurricaneman » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:26 pm

Ntxw wrote:Pretty consistent signal from general guidance EPAC will have potential Jova next week. Area of interest should start showing up late this weekend and might be a hurricane by late week

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Its from the disturbance currently north of Panama I believe, I'm surprised it's not at least lemoned
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Re: 2017 EPAC Season

#500 Postby gatorcane » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:32 pm

Ntxw wrote:Pretty consistent signal from general guidance EPAC will have potential Jova next week. Area of interest should start showing up late this weekend and might be a hurricane by late week
http://i64.tinypic.com/6ycylw.png


Not too sure about this at least a strong Jova. Looking at the ECMWF and CMC models there isn't anything anywhere near as strong as the GFS shows not to mention the upgraded GFS has been far too bullish on some systems in the EPAC already. Big flop on Hillary for example.

Also long-range shows the EPAC really starting to slow as expected as we head into August so Atlantic's turn should be around the corner.
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