2017 Cyclones Retirement: New names are: Harold / Idalia / Margot / Nigel

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2017 Cyclones Retirement: New names are: Harold / Idalia / Margot / Nigel

#1 Postby CrazyC83 » Sat Aug 26, 2017 10:48 am

Normally this thread isn't made until later in the season, but...

At this point, it's pretty much a guarantee Harvey will be retired. We'll see what names (if any) join it later in the season, but we at least have to find a new male H name.
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Re: 2017 Cyclones Retirement

#2 Postby Andrew92 » Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:51 am

Harvey has only done half as much as he's going to, at the most. Easily getting retired.

Otherwise, I don't see any evidence of any other names being deserving of retirement. Lots of time to go though, including all of September.

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Re: 2017 Cyclones Retirement

#3 Postby TheStormExpert » Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:01 pm

Andrew92 wrote:Harvey has only done half as much as he's going to, at the most. Easily getting retired.

Otherwise, I don't see any evidence of any other names being deserving of retirement. Lots of time to go though, including all of September.

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Don't forget October which has produced noteworthy storms such as Mitch, Matthew, Wilma, etc. I feel this season may produce a classic Western Caribbean monster similar to Wilma in terms of time of year. The season is only half way over and there are still two more of the three peak months to go! :eek:
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Re: 2017 Cyclones Retirement

#4 Postby TheStormExpert » Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:20 pm

I'm at least 99.9% percent sure that Harvey will be retired next spring. Hopefully this is the only name that gets retired or even considered for retirement this season.
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Re: 2017 Cyclones Retirement

#5 Postby CrazyC83 » Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:00 pm

Andrew92 wrote:Harvey has only done half as much as he's going to, at the most. Easily getting retired.

Otherwise, I don't see any evidence of any other names being deserving of retirement. Lots of time to go though, including all of September.

-Andrew92


This list is already nearly half retired - yet many of the middle letter names are still originals as well (Maria through Philippe, all potential peak to semi-late season storms at this rate). The original names when it was introduced in 1981:

Arlene - still active
Bret - still active
Cindy - still active
Dennis - retired 2005 (Don)
Emily - still active
Floyd - retired 1999 (Franklin)
Gert - still active
Harvey - presumably retired 2017 (TBA)
Irene - retired 2011 (Irma)
Jose - still active
Katrina - retired 2005 (Katia)
Lenny - retired 1999 (Lee)
Maria - presumably retired 2017 (TBA)
Nate - still active
Ophelia - still active
Philippe - still active
Rita - retired 2005 (Rina)
Stan - retired 2005 (Sean)
Tammy - still active
Vince - still active
Wilma - retired 2005 (Whitney)
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Re: 2017 Cyclones Retirement

#6 Postby CrazyC83 » Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:23 pm

Looking at each original list and what is left:

1979 - Ana, Claudette, Henri, Kate, Larry, Mindy, Nicholas, Odette, Peter, Rose, Sam, Teresa, Victor, Wanda (14)
(Retired: Bob, David, Elena/Erika, Frederic/Fabian, Gloria, Isabel, Juan/Joaquin)

1980 - Bonnie, Danielle, Earl, Hermine, Kyle, Lisa, Nicole, Paula, Richard, Shary, Virginie, Walter (12)
(Retired: Allen/Andrew, Charley, Frances, Georges, Ivan/Igor, Jeanne, Mitch/Matthew, Otto, Tomas)

1981 - Arlene, Bret, Cindy, Emily, Gert, Jose, Nate, Ophelia, Philippe, Tammy, Vince (11)
(Retired: Dennis, Floyd, Harvey*, Irene/Irma*, Katrina, Lenny, Maria*, Rita, Stan, Wilma)

1982 - Alberto, Beryl, Chris, Debby, Ernesto, Florence, Helene, Isaac, Leslie, Michael, Nadine, Oscar, Patty, Rafael, Tony, Valerie, William (17)
(Retired: Gilbert, Joan, Keith, Sandy)

1983 - Barry, Chantal, Erin, Gabrielle, Jerry, Karen, Pablo, Sebastian, Tanya, Van, Wendy (11)
(Retired: Alicia/Allison, Dean, Felix, Hugo, Iris/Ingrid, Luis, Marilyn/Michelle, Noel, Opal, Roxanne)

1984 - Arthur, Bertha, Edouard, Josephine, Marco, Nana, Omar, Rene, Sally, Teddy, Vicky, Wilfred (12)
(Retired: Cesar, Diana, Fran, Gustav, Hortense, Isidore/Ike, Klaus, Lili, Paloma)

*presumed
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Re: 2017 Cyclones Retirement

#7 Postby CrazyC83 » Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:41 am

To think that - although we have a long way to go - we may have to replace yet another I name as well...
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#8 Postby SuperMarioBros99thx » Sat Sep 02, 2017 5:43 pm

CrazyC83 wrote:To think that - although we have a long way to go - we may have to replace yet another I name as well...

I am seeing Ivy as a replacement of Irma.
TheStormExpert wrote:I'm at least 99.9% percent sure that Harvey will be retired next spring. Hopefully this is the only name that gets retired or even considered for retirement this season.
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Harold?! Come in and replace Harvey! :)
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#9 Postby Extratropical94 » Sun Sep 03, 2017 1:32 am

CrazyC83 wrote:Looking at each original list and what is left:

1979 - Ana, Claudette, Henri, Kate, Larry, Mindy, Nicholas, Odette, Peter, Rose, Sam, Teresa, Victor, Wanda (14)
(Retired: Bob, David, Elena/Erika, Frederic/Fabian, Gloria, Isabel, Juan/Joaquin)

1980 - Bonnie, Danielle, Earl, Hermine, Kyle, Lisa, Nicole, Paula, Richard, Shary, Virginie, Walter (12)
(Retired: Allen/Andrew, Charley, Frances, Georges, Ivan/Igor, Jeanne, Mitch/Matthew, Otto, Tomas)

1981 - Arlene, Bret, Cindy, Emily, Gert, Jose, Maria, Nate, Ophelia, Philippe, Tammy, Vince (12)
(Retired: Dennis, Floyd, Harvey*, Irene, Katrina, Lenny, Rita, Stan, Wilma)

1982 - Alberto, Beryl, Chris, Debby, Ernesto, Florence, Helene, Isaac, Leslie, Michael, Nadine, Oscar, Patty, Rafael, Tony, Valerie, William (17)
(Retired: Gilbert, Joan, Keith, Sandy)

1983 - Barry, Chantal, Erin, Gabrielle, Jerry, Karen, Pablo, Sebastian, Tanya, Van, Wendy (11)
(Retired: Alicia/Allison, Dean, Felix, Hugo, Iris/Ingrid, Luis, Marilyn/Michelle, Noel, Opal, Roxanne)

1984 - Arthur, Bertha, Edouard, Josephine, Klaus, Marco, Nana, Omar, Rene, Sally, Teddy, Vicky, Wilfred (13)
(Retired: Cesar, Diana, Fran, Gustav, Hortense, Isidore/Ike, Lili, Paloma)

*presumed


1984 only has 12 original names left. Klaus was retired in 1990, being replaced with Kyle.

The other numbers are correct.
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#10 Postby 1900hurricane » Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:10 am

For the WPac, Hato has good chance of going as well. This is actually the first use of "Hato," since it is the replacement name for 2011's Washi.
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#11 Postby CrazyC83 » Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:40 pm

Names NOT available for replacement names:

Male H names: Harvey, Hector, Henri, Hernan, Howard, Hugo, Humberto

Female I names (just in case...): Ida, Ileana, Imelda, Inez, Ingrid, Ione, Irene, Iris, Irma, Isabel, Iselle, Isis, Ivette
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#12 Postby Alyono » Mon Sep 04, 2017 1:01 am

CrazyC83 wrote:Names NOT available for replacement names:

Male H names: Harvey, Hector, Henri, Hernan, Howard, Hugo, Humberto

Female I names (just in case...): Ida, Ileana, Imelda, Inez, Ingrid, Ione, Irene, Iris, Irma, Isabel, Iselle, Isis, Ivette


Hugo, Hernan, Irene, Iris, Inez, Isabel and many others ARE technically eligible

Retirement only means the name cannot be used for 10 years. That's the official rule. The practice, however, is different
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Re: 2017 Cyclones Retirement

#13 Postby euro6208 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:45 am

1900hurricane wrote:For the WPac, Hato has good chance of going as well. This is actually the first use of "Hato," since it is the replacement name for 2011's Washi.


WPAC storms rarely get retired. Unlike the Atlantic, the retirement is very strict even with a high death toll and high damage. Alot manages to get through without retirement and that says alot for Hato with billions of people over here.
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#14 Postby Ptarmigan » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:02 am

I think Harvey is going to be retired.
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#15 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:52 am

euro6208 wrote:
1900hurricane wrote:For the WPac, Hato has good chance of going as well. This is actually the first use of "Hato," since it is the replacement name for 2011's Washi.


WPAC storms rarely get retired. Unlike the Atlantic, the retirement is very strict even with a high death toll and high damage. Alot manages to get through without retirement and that says alot for Hato with billions of people over here.

8 names were retired from 2015-2016 alone. Rare retirements are no longer the case
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#16 Postby NotoSans » Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:26 am

For Hato, the meteorological department of Macau has claimed that it is the worst typhoon to hit the city since Typhoon Ruby in 1964, so it is very possible for the SMG to make a request IMO.
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#17 Postby cycloneye » Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:45 am

If Irma takes the path predicted it will be retired.
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Re: 2017 Cyclones Retirement

#18 Postby Torino » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:08 pm

Alyono wrote:
CrazyC83 wrote:Names NOT available for replacement names:

Male H names: Harvey, Hector, Henri, Hernan, Howard, Hugo, Humberto

Female I names (just in case...): Ida, Ileana, Imelda, Inez, Ingrid, Ione, Irene, Iris, Irma, Isabel, Iselle, Isis, Ivette


Hugo, Hernan, Irene, Iris, Inez, Isabel and many others ARE technically eligible

Retirement only means the name cannot be used for 10 years. That's the official rule. The practice, however, is different


Hernan hasn't been retired and Irene is from 2011.
Also, I believe they changed the 10 years rule in the 60's. Now, names are retired forever.
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#19 Postby Torino » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:20 pm

Quite clear that Harvey is going to be retired, and Irma probably too.
Suggestions:

Harvey: Harold, Hank, Harry, Harrison, Hans, Herb, Herbert, Hamish, Hal, Harper
Irma: Ivy, Ina, Ilsa, Inga, Indira, Ilene, Irina, Isabella, Imogene, Iara, Iola, Ivana, Isa, ...maybe Iva is back.

In Asia, I believe Hato has a good shot, but I won't dare suggest a replacement :D
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#20 Postby CrazyC83 » Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:26 pm

Torino wrote:Quite clear that Harvey is going to be retired, and Irma probably too.
Suggestions:

Harvey: Harold, Hank, Harry, Harrison, Hans, Herb, Herbert, Hamish, Hal, Harper
Irma: Ivy, Ina, Ilsa, Inga, Indira, Ilene, Irina, Isabella, Imogene, Iara, Iola, Ivana, Isa, ...maybe Iva is back.

In Asia, I believe Hato has a good shot, but I won't dare suggest a replacement :D


If I picked replaced names, I would pick Hans and Imogene.
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