2017 Cyclones Retirement: New names are: Harold / Idalia / Margot / Nigel

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Re: 2017 Cyclones Retirement

#121 Postby 1900hurricane » Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:21 pm

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Re: 2017 Cyclones Retirement

#122 Postby HurricaneRyan » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:19 pm

Any word on whether retirement forms have been sent in?
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Re: 2017 Cyclones Retirement

#123 Postby DANKENGINE420 » Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:47 pm

honestly i see:

harvey: harry
irma: imogen/ivy
maria: megan

the u.s. will likely keep the storm names old-fashioned unlike other territories who tend to go more trendy.
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Re: 2017 Cyclones Retirement

#124 Postby CrazyC83 » Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:14 pm

HurricaneRyan wrote:Any word on whether retirement forms have been sent in?


No explicit mentions on the WMO site, but it is all but certain the US will ask to retire the names Harvey, Irma and Maria. The next most likely would be Nate but that would be led by Costa Rica and Nicaragua if anyone.
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Re: 2017 Cyclones Retirement

#125 Postby BadLarry95 » Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:13 pm

Arlene 0%
Bret 2%
Cindy 0%
Don 0%
Emily 0%
Franklin 5%
Gert 0%
Harvey 100%
Irma 100%
Jose 10%
Katia 5%
Lee 0%
Maria 100%
Nate 50%
Ophelia 20%
Philippe 0%
Rina 0%

I’m thinking the replacements would be
Harry/Hal
Iva/Inna
Megan/Mikayla
Neil/Nelson
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Re: 2017 Cyclones Retirement

#126 Postby Cleveland Kent Evans » Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:40 pm

DANKENGINE420 wrote:honestly i see:

harvey: harry
irma: imogen/ivy
maria: megan

the u.s. will likely keep the storm names old-fashioned unlike other territories who tend to go more trendy.


That's an interesting theory. There's nothing "old-fashioned" about Megan, though. It was never used except as a nickname in Wales before the 20th century.
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Re: 2017 Cyclones Retirement

#127 Postby DANKENGINE420 » Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:39 pm

Cleveland Kent Evans wrote:
DANKENGINE420 wrote:honestly i see:

harvey: harry
irma: imogen/ivy
maria: megan

the u.s. will likely keep the storm names old-fashioned unlike other territories who tend to go more trendy.


That's an interesting theory. There's nothing "old-fashioned" about Megan, though. It was never used except as a nickname in Wales before the 20th century.

nooo mate megan definitely isn't old fashioned
i mean... harvey will be requested by the us so they would pick something oldish like harry since they always go for older names
irma could be either asked by the us, the European countries (uk/netherlands/france) or other Caribbean nations so something universal might be used. i think the origin of the new name will be slightly european-sounding even if it is an english name. irma is a very popular name in dutch-speaking territories btw so they might go dutch.
as for maria... puerto rico might deem maria as hispanic even though non-hispanics use that name widely. so... megan for the non-hispanic name or maybe marisol for the hispanic name replacement should maria be deemed hispanic.

to be honest... i also think there are themes for each hurricane naming lists but i don't want to go into too much detail here. list 3 seems to lean towards old-fashioned but embellished names.
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Re: 2017 Cyclones Retirement

#128 Postby HurricaneRyan » Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:21 pm

Pretty soon the conference will be happening I think
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Re: 2017 Cyclones Retirement

#129 Postby CrazyC83 » Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:21 pm

HurricaneRyan wrote:Pretty soon the conference will be happening I think


It is next week.
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Re: 2017 Cyclones Retirement

#130 Postby DANKENGINE420 » Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:03 pm

here are my honest opinions on how the replacement names might be chosen:

harvey, irma and maria will most likely be removed. nate has a 50/50 chance of being removed.

the atlantic naming lists, believe it or not, seem to have a theme going on per list. the people in charge may not realise it when choosing names but there definitely is a pattern. based on previous replacement names per list, i can detect the following themes per list:
list 1: old-fashioned, nicknamey and american-sounding. most sound middle-aged or older. very few names of a non-english origin are on that naming list (e.g. odette).
list 2: germanic-sounding, nicknamey and again, middle-aged sounding. the english-language names sound rather britishy rather than american though, unlike list 2. again, few latin-origin names are on that list (e.g. gaston).
list 3: quirky but old-fashioned. these names have authenticity and character despite being on the old-fashioned side. most sound like a bunch of american 1970s primary schoolchildren. a good mix of english, germanic and latin-based names, with two names even passing for asian origin (despite one being widely used in the english language).
list 4: a little dowdy and old-fashioned. have grandparent or middle-aged mumsy/daddy sounding names. some latin-based names (e.g. ernesto) seem to liven the list up a little bit.
list 5: euro-chic, fashion-forward and trendy. mostly consisting of bold, continental european-origin names. the english names sound more british/irish than american (despite some, e.g. barry, karen, being a little bit on the middle-aged side). many french/italian/hispanic names occupy this naming list, more so than any other naming list. most names have an average name-bearer age of a millennial (us data). most "edgy" or "bizarre" name replacements are usually saved for this naming list.
list 6: old-fashioned.


also, america will most likely head harvey's retirement case. they will do the same with maria on behalf of puerto rico. for irma, i believe the bct, netherlands or france will head this case but i will not be surprised to see the us head it. costa rica will likely head nate's case should he be up for retirement.

the us is known for using middle-aged-sounding/old-fashioned names to replace retired names. other countries seem to go a little bit more fashion-forward. especially when they keep pushing for ivy/ina to replace an "i" female storm name since 2003.

they might have to keep the percieved "ethnicity" of the name, but they might bend the rules this year. usually, english, french, spanish and even dutch-language names are allowed, but there have been cases of eastern-european (e.g. ivan, igor) and scandinavian (e.g. ingrid) names in use. however the names mentioned have all been retired and replaced with english-language names (ian and imelda). harvey is english, irma is germanic (in this case, dutch) and maria can be percieved as any ethnicity mentioned but french. it is likely that harvey will be replaced with another old-fashioned, english-language name, irma could either be replaced with a contentinal or another old-fashioned english name (depending on which country heads irma's retirement) and maria can be absolutely anything. they might keep to the theme of the list however. i do believe, however, that irma's replacement name will be continental-sounding as they are running out of replacement names for "i" names.

based on the following information i have given above, i predict these will be the names to replace the retired names:

harvey: horatio, harry, hank, harold
irma: ivy, imogen, isa, ilse, isla, inge, ivonne, imke
maria: marissa, megan, molly, minerva, minnie, millie, marisol, margaret, maggie, marge

bolded names are the most likely replacement names.

names such as mckenzie, makayla and mckenna will probably be saved for list 5.
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Re: 2017 Cyclones Retirement

#131 Postby Torino » Sat Apr 07, 2018 4:31 pm

Final thoughts:
Harvey: Harold, Hank, Herbert
Irma: Ilsa, Ilene, Isa
Maria: Magda, Monica, Miranda
Nate: Nelson, Neil, Noah
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Re: 2017 Cyclones Retirement

#132 Postby CrazyC83 » Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:04 pm

The meeting is this week. On Thursday or Friday we should officially send Harvey, Irma and Maria into the dustbin of history (and clear up the question mark on Nate).
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Re: 2017 Cyclones Retirement

#133 Postby BadLarry95 » Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:43 pm

I think it’s atleast a 70% chance Nate gets canned. It was 2x as deadly and 2x as destructive as Otto
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Re: 2017 Cyclones Retirement

#134 Postby CrazyC83 » Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:00 pm

BadLarry95 wrote:I think it’s atleast a 70% chance Nate gets canned. It was 2x as deadly and 2x as destructive as Otto


Per the report from Costa Rica, damage there was about $550 million.
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Re: 2017 Cyclones Retirement

#135 Postby CrazyC83 » Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:29 pm

IF Nate is also retired, this list will be the first one in which more than half the original names were retired. There are 13 originals left, and 2 of them are certain to get retired. That's remarkable considering there were no retirements on this list until 1999!

It will also get the first third-generation name with Irma's replacement. Three of the other lists have three such names.

Arlene - still on list
Bret - still on list
Cindy - still on list
Dennis - retired after 2005
Emily - still on list
Floyd - retired after 1999
Gert - still on list
Harvey - retired after 2017
Irene - retired after 2011

Jose - still on list
Katrina - retired after 2005
Lenny - retired after 1999
Maria - retired after 2017
Nate - retired after 2017

Ophelia - still on list
Philippe - still on list
Rita - retired after 2005
Stan - retired after 2005

Tammy - still on list
Vince - still on list
Wilma - retired after 2005

For comparison, the 2018 list has only four names retired: Gilbert, Joan, Keith and Sandy.
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Re: 2017 Cyclones Retirement

#136 Postby BadLarry95 » Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:14 am

I think we’ll find out today. I’d imagine they retire and replace the names during the review of the last season, which is the 3rd item and 1st big one on the WMO agenda
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Re: 2017 Cyclones Retirement

#137 Postby HurricaneRyan » Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:21 am

We definitely didn't find out today
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Re: 2017 Cyclones Retirement

#138 Postby Sciencerocks » Tue Apr 10, 2018 6:56 pm

What's your reaction if the WMO chooses not to retire Irma or Harvey?
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Re: 2017 Cyclones Retirement

#139 Postby CrazyC83 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:53 pm

Sciencerocks wrote:What's your reaction if the WMO chooses not to retire Irma or Harvey?


Not really going to think about that, since the big 3 are practically guaranteed to be retired.
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Re: 2017 Cyclones Retirement

#140 Postby HurricaneRyan » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:03 am

Sciencerocks wrote:What's your reaction if the WMO chooses not to retire Irma or Harvey?


I'd GIF my reaction right now if this site would let me but...let's not.
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