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Re: 2018 EPAC Season

#621 Postby cycloneye » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:24 am

Wow,PPM has crashed so it means EPAC wont be as busy as thought?

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The PMM usually decays in the summer once the mid-latitude wintertime RW forcing goes away but the circumglobal subtropical ridging strengthened the trades here resulting in a massive PMM crash.


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Re: 2018 EPAC Season

#622 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:33 pm

cycloneye wrote:Wow,PPM has crashed so it means EPAC wont be as busy as thought?

@webberweather
The PMM usually decays in the summer once the mid-latitude wintertime RW forcing goes away but the circumglobal subtropical ridging strengthened the trades here resulting in a massive PMM crash.


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[tweet]https://twitter.com/webberweather/status/1015601281316970496[tweet]


Maybe it'll allow for more ATL systems than previously thought, although that basin still has a big negative factor with the AMM being that cool.

In the EPAC it should still be a bullish season. We're in a developing El Nino, so waters (at least west of 100W) will be warm than average.

CFS also shows very favorable VP anomalies for much of the CPAC/EPAC basin soon:

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Re: 2018 EPAC Season

#623 Postby Yellow Evan » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:21 pm

:uarrow: PNM/PDO tends to fall apart this time of year not to mentioned part of the basin cooled of due to upwelling.
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Re: 2018 EPAC Season

#624 Postby NotSparta » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:29 pm

GFS has very strong trades, would keep basin quiet

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Re: 2018 EPAC Season

#625 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:42 pm

Those are 5 days averages, so it's not that extreme. We'll always see pockets of unfavorable shear and favorable shear. Just need a disturbance to be in the right place at the right time. Don't forget that TCs are capable of "improving" local shear conditions.

Just need an igniter to spur development right now (Kelvin wave).There's a lot of low pressure areas lined up.
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Re: 2018 EPAC Season

#626 Postby Yellow Evan » Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:18 pm

I will say, in this case, that the trades relaxing in the central Atlantic, would further hint to a 2017 pattern in both basins.
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Re: 2018 EPAC Season

#627 Postby NotSparta » Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:28 pm

Yellow Evan wrote:I will say, in this case, that the trades relaxing in the central Atlantic, would further hint to a 2017 pattern in both basins.


While the EPAC now has that filament of cooler SSTs like last spring, I have a feeling the EPAC still manages an above average season.

And while trades should relax, SSTAs in the ATL MDR shouldn't come close to 2017's -- there's still a decent -AMM and it'll take a lot of work to even get to a marginal +AMM, let alone 2017 levels.

Also, unlike 2017, it looks like ENSO will move into El Niño this yr rather than going back to La Niña, especially since its base state has been erased.
Just saying my $0.02, I could be wrong. :)
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Re: 2018 EPAC Season

#628 Postby NotSparta » Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:29 pm

Kingarabian wrote:Those are 5 days averages, so it's not that extreme. We'll always see pockets of unfavorable shear and favorable shear. Just need a disturbance to be in the right place at the right time. Don't forget that TCs are capable of "improving" local shear conditions.

Just need an igniter to spur development right now (Kelvin wave).There's a lot of low pressure areas lined up.


True, true (though a 5 day average indicates it could be even more extreme at points, and also less). TCs can be unpredictable, so they can pop up unexpectedly.
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Re: 2018 EPAC Season

#629 Postby NotSparta » Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:45 pm

Not sure how reliable it is or whether it'll verify, but the CFSv2 weekly keeps trades fast:

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Re: 2018 EPAC Season

#630 Postby Yellow Evan » Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:56 pm

EPS has been trying to hint at stuff after day 10 but you know the drill given the phantom storms we've seen the last season and a half.
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Re: 2018 EPAC Season

#631 Postby Kingarabian » Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:16 pm

Yellow Evan wrote:EPS has been trying to hint at stuff after day 10 but you know the drill given the phantom storms we've seen the last season and a half.


I remember when the EPS had something, it was serious. Now it's just as bad the GFS. So many ghost storms in the past 2 weeks on it...
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Re: 2018 EPAC Season

#632 Postby cycloneye » Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:19 pm

Kingarabian,when will we know when the models will be right about something developing in this basin as you said about the phantoms they have been showing?.
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Re: 2018 EPAC Season

#633 Postby Yellow Evan » Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:27 pm

cycloneye wrote:Kingarabian,when will we know when the models will be right about something developing in this basin as you said about the phantoms they have been showing?.


In theory, by the book meteorology says when there's more consistency but as of right now, we will know something is developing when it actually happens.
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Re: 2018 EPAC Season

#634 Postby hurricanes1234 » Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:44 pm

I don't think this month we'll see the long streak of July storms we've been accustomed to for the last three years because it's already July 8 and the models seem to at least be correctly forecasting the inactive periods. As for whether or not it'll happen in August, I guess only time will tell.
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Re: 2018 EPAC Season

#635 Postby Kingarabian » Sun Jul 08, 2018 5:22 pm

Well speaking of development, GFS for the 2nd run in a row shows a disturbance emerging from a vigorous ITCZ/MT consolidating and developing to become TS Gilma near 120-130W:

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It makes sense since there's about to be a surge of favorable VP anomalies entering the CPAC/EPAC. As a result, the operational models should begin to show more signs of TC genesis (as soon as they get a better handle).
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Re: 2018 EPAC Season

#636 Postby Kingarabian » Sun Jul 08, 2018 5:59 pm

Very likely that we'll see an uptick in TC development in the CPAC/EPAC soon:

 https://twitter.com/MJVentrice/status/1016031493645393921


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Re: 2018 EPAC Season

#637 Postby Yellow Evan » Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:02 pm

A few EPS members and NASA show this now. Some EPS members also seemingly showing stuff behind it.
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Re: 2018 EPAC Season

#638 Postby Yellow Evan » Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:09 am

June SST's only the 7th highest on record. Second lowest after 2017 since 2014. Also behind 1997 and a few earlier seasons. If it continues, that'd signify a pattern flip from the ultrafavorable EPAC expected some earlier, although more so from others.
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Re: 2018 EPAC Season

#639 Postby Kingarabian » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:06 am

Latest 00z OP. Euro run and EPS run look very bullish for development starting around the 15th.

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Re: 2018 EPAC Season

#640 Postby Kingarabian » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:07 am

06z GFS now on board with development. Has TS Gilma in 72 hours. Probably see the NHC take the yellow marker out soon.

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