2018 Indicators: SST's / MSLP / Sal / Steering / Shear / Instability (Graphic updates at first post)

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#921 Postby Ntxw » Sat Aug 25, 2018 9:04 am

1900hurricane wrote:1994 is a good Eastern Pacific match too. That season features multiple storms tracking west through the Central Pacific, similar to how this year has behaved thus far.

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The 1994 El Nino did not take off until late September/early October. Took a long time to get going. Also not scientific but the list of names this year for the EPAC/ATL is the same list as 1994.
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#922 Postby stormlover2013 » Sat Aug 25, 2018 9:16 am

2002 is the best match for this year
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#923 Postby Ntxw » Sat Aug 25, 2018 9:23 am

stormlover2013 wrote:2002 is the best match for this year


Global SSTa, NAO, Pacific basin activity, and 500mb analogs matches up with 1994 the closest. 2002 is anecdotal but the numbers don't line up quite as close.

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#924 Postby cycloneye » Sat Aug 25, 2018 9:28 am

A reminder of how the 1994 analog season fared.

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#925 Postby stormlover2013 » Sat Aug 25, 2018 9:30 am

Big joe: In addition pattern very much like analog year of 2002, that produced Lili and Isidore, Extensive discussion on weatherbell.com premium on how the US got off lucky and same kind of pattern warrants concern Could have been 2 major gulf hits in 10 days 2002
2002 a major analog year in our forecasts from spring, 1 of 4
Keep in mind that year also set a record the other way.. 2 cat 4s in the gulf within 10 days
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#926 Postby TheStormExpert » Sat Aug 25, 2018 9:38 am

Ntxw wrote:
stormlover2013 wrote:2002 is the best match for this year


Global SSTa, NAO, Pacific basin activity, and 500mb analogs matches up with 1994 the closest. 2002 is anecdotal but the numbers don't line up quite as close.

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Why is 2017 even considered an analog for this year?
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#927 Postby Ntxw » Sat Aug 25, 2018 9:41 am

TheStormExpert wrote:
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stormlover2013 wrote:2002 is the best match for this year


Global SSTa, NAO, Pacific basin activity, and 500mb analogs matches up with 1994 the closest. 2002 is anecdotal but the numbers don't line up quite as close.

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Why is 2017 even considered an analog for this year?


Because it looks at the broader picture not just for a hurricane season for instance. All things considered globally. SSTa's in the Atlantic are not a good match to 2017 but higher latitudes 500mb pattern are not dissimilar. With a warming globe sometimes you will often see back to back years showing similarities despite quite opposite events such as Enso due to expanding hadley cells and SST increases. Even with a colder anomaly, that anomaly today is much warmer than actual SSTs back in 1994.

Analogs are not going to give you an exact path, only a stepping stone.
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#928 Postby CyclonicFury » Sat Aug 25, 2018 10:03 am

Based on CDAS data, the Atlantic MDR is now warmer than normal for the first time since mid-March. Much of the region is now warm enough to support tropical cyclone development.
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#929 Postby blp » Sat Aug 25, 2018 12:24 pm

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#930 Postby Hammy » Sat Aug 25, 2018 12:36 pm



Does this mean more west-based activity or simply the season coming in well below forecasts?
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#931 Postby gatorcane » Sat Aug 25, 2018 12:47 pm

Looks warmer across the MDR between Lesser Antilles and Africa indeed:

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#932 Postby NDG » Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:05 pm

SSTs from the NW Caribbean to the GOM to around the Bahamas are >30C, it will be interesting as the TWs start tracking over these very warm waters starting over the next few days.

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#933 Postby SoupBone » Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:21 pm

Hammy wrote:


Does this mean more west-based activity or simply the season coming in well below forecasts?



I read this as troughs starting to come down in September/October, favoring eastern U.S. solutions. Honestly though, I always have a tough time reading and understanding Meteorology jargon (acronyms).

"Luckily, continued W-CP quasi-stationary forcing like we have now favors a complete 180 in the E US pattern by late Sept/Oct w/ big troughs over E US/Atlantic Canada."
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#934 Postby AutoPenalti » Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:25 pm

Hammy wrote:


Does this mean more west-based activity or simply the season coming in well below forecasts?

TC’s will have a hard time developing in the MDR because of the sinking air and the mid levels being so dry.
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#935 Postby Ntxw » Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:30 pm



I think his tweet is implying that the expanded hadley cell will continue the dominance of dry air over the MDR at longer timescales. Weaker gradient of SSTs between the subtropical and TA (tropical atlantic). That's my interpretation of that tweet.
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#936 Postby MetroMike » Sat Aug 25, 2018 2:53 pm

Ntxw wrote:


I think his tweet is implying that the expanded hadley cell will continue the dominance of dry air over the MDR at longer timescales. Weaker gradient of SSTs between the subtropical and TA (tropical atlantic). That's my interpretation of that tweet.


Yes we are deciphering that. The word "locus" means a center or gathering area, and the word "ascent" of course means upward motion. In this case the SST's have little to say about favorable conditions in the TA.
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#937 Postby Steve » Sat Aug 25, 2018 3:25 pm

Counter is the JMA model which was on weather bell’s Saturday summary showing a reversal of rising/sinking air patterns favoring much more upward motion in the Atlantic coming after a week to ten days. Bastardi thinks a pulse with up to 4 systems could be between September 1-15 (Ithink were his dates) obviously with ridging entrenched across the western Atlantic. Who knows after that, but I’d still bet on some October homespun action before whenever the season shuts down.

Stay tuned for the tropics revving up shortly is the message.
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#938 Postby tolakram » Sat Aug 25, 2018 7:26 pm

Instability over the tropical Atlantic has improved somewhat.

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#939 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Aug 25, 2018 7:34 pm

12z Euro shows the Atlantic MDR opening up for business in the first week of September with much more favorable VP200 anomalies.
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#940 Postby gatorcane » Sat Aug 25, 2018 9:39 pm

Another monster wave about to make the splash. Sooner or later you got to assume one of these waves will end up developing:

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