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#981 Postby LarryWx » Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:46 am

I am amazed at how warm the forecasts are for the next 15 days for the US as a whole and for the NE/Midwest especially. Some areas in the Midwest/NE are as much as 8-9 warmer than normal!

Going back to 1950 on a nationally degree day population weighted basis, the forecast I saw is for record warmth by about 1 degree/day averaged out vs the current record warm holder of 2015 and which is as warm as the 30 year normal for July 1-15!!

This tells me that the forecasted E US ridging to the north of the SE US could easily be in record strong territory going back to 1950 when looking at 8/31-9/14 as a whole. This would mean the JB “ridge over troubled waters” in overdrive should it verify and merits a very close eye on any TC that happens to be located not too far off the SE coast as it would be in a potentially threatening position to move W, WNW or NW into the SE US beneath that forecasted ridge or moving northward into the NE US should one come in just as the ridge weakens.
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#982 Postby SFLcane » Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:51 am

Bocadude85 wrote:
SFLcane wrote:These ominous steering pattern posts going into september can make everyone a bit uneasy BUT remember if there is no hurricane to take advantage it's worth nothing. Lets hope it stays that way.


Well let’s hope the the 0z Euro is wrong, it shows 2 systems behind future Florence heading westward.


Actually based on that euro the current system developing off the african coast could leave an open alley near bermuda but that's long range.
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#983 Postby NDG » Fri Aug 31, 2018 6:52 pm

SFLcane wrote:Not sure i understand 2 mets contradicting themselves....Micheal Lowry said on twiiter shear for the first time is running near normal in the caribbean and then Phil K comes this morning and lays down the hammer saying its the highest its been in years again. Lol what gives..


According to Dr Phil K the 3rd highest windshear lever over the Caribbean during August, following to second highest was 2002, my analog year, when 8 named systems formed during September, which 2 became Major Hurricanes in NW Caribbean & GOM.
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#984 Postby blp » Sat Sep 01, 2018 12:02 am

00z First sign GFS holds with the second wave. Oh boy! Here we go. Ends up weakening ridge but that is way out there in timeframe.

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#985 Postby galaxy401 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:54 am

Well looks like the long anticipated switch has finally turned on. Much more active in the Atlantic with two named storms (one in the MDR almost a hurricane) and more in the future forecasted.
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#986 Postby cycloneye » Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:40 am

@MJVentrice
The ECMWF EPS has gone back with the -VP200 anomaly amplitude over Africa into the Indian Ocean. This is an indication for more Atlantic tropical cyclones during the mid-half of September. But suppression will likely follow later in September, quieting down the Atlantic TC season


 https://twitter.com/MJVentrice/status/1036955956867948544


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#987 Postby NDG » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:11 am

I think we can throw these daily CDAS SST anomaly maps out the window, Florence became a hurricane in these supposedly much cooler waters than average, I have always thought these daily composites can be so misleading at times.

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#988 Postby SconnieCane » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:13 am

I guess the takeaway here is ".5 to 1 degree C below average in September is still warm enough to support at least a low-end major hurricane."
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#989 Postby Shell Mound » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:30 am

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#990 Postby tolakram » Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:08 am

Hammy wrote:
TheStormExpert wrote:The Tropical Atlantic is even drier than 2013 at this time. I’d be VERY surprised to see anything significant come out of this area throughout the remainder of the season. Not even the Kelvin Waves can kickstart tropical development.



This raises some questions, if the dry air is a result of the cooler SSTs and lack of instability, or if it's a separate issue on it's own, and how tied in this is to the AMO and Nino. One thing though compared to 2013 at least is that the waves that year didn't even make it off of Africa much (which likely contributed to the dry air), this year they're coming off strong and instantly going poof.


Just 16 days ago and now we have our first major in the dry hostile cool Atlantic. Important lesson for ALL of us, not just who I quoted. :)

My trusty instability chart shows better conditions, I guess.
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#991 Postby TheStormExpert » Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:16 am

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#992 Postby tolakram » Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:18 am

tolakram wrote:
tarheelprogrammer wrote:
I have been right most years lol at least when it comes to a slow Atlantic. Last year was an exception. 8-)


2010 - 2012 were all above average, 2013-2015 were all below average, 16 above, 17 hyper.


August had no named storms. Congrats. :lol: Will be interesting to see where September ends up. I'm still in the way below average camp, even with Florence a major, but it only takes one.
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#993 Postby TheStormExpert » Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:21 am

tolakram wrote:
Hammy wrote:
TheStormExpert wrote:The Tropical Atlantic is even drier than 2013 at this time. I’d be VERY surprised to see anything significant come out of this area throughout the remainder of the season. Not even the Kelvin Waves can kickstart tropical development.



This raises some questions, if the dry air is a result of the cooler SSTs and lack of instability, or if it's a separate issue on it's own, and how tied in this is to the AMO and Nino. One thing though compared to 2013 at least is that the waves that year didn't even make it off of Africa much (which likely contributed to the dry air), this year they're coming off strong and instantly going poof.


Just 16 days ago and now we have our first major in the dry hostile cool Atlantic. Important lesson for ALL of us, not just who I quoted. :)

My trusty instability chart shows better conditions, I guess.
https://i.imgur.com/1ydZ45O.png

Well technically it became a major in the Subtropical Atlantic but still quite impressive nonetheless considering the SST configuration is not ideal. Maybe the Modoki nature of things is to blame?

 https://twitter.com/ericblake12/status/1037314353110900737


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#994 Postby Ntxw » Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:36 am

Well to be fair it is peak of Hurricane season. Even in quietest years (yes even 2013) there are still hurricanes that track from Africa. It will probably remain busy here for the next 2 weeks at least.
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#995 Postby NDG » Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:54 am

Just 10 days ago there were a lot of people dismissing the idea of a similar September like 2002, a good analog year I brought back in early August. I would not be surprised if it stays busy through early October like that year.
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#996 Postby tolakram » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:12 am

TheStormExpert wrote:Well technically it became a major in the Subtropical Atlantic but still quite impressive nonetheless considering the SST configuration is not ideal. Maybe the Modoki nature of things is to blame?



Yep, so did Ike, and while I haven't gone over every storm many of the east coast hurricanes became a hurricane in the sub tropics or very close to 20N.
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#997 Postby psyclone » Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:12 pm

September is 1/6 of hurricane season but it typically produces 1/3 of storms. Climo tasks it with double duty. If it performs above normal it could easily make up for late August which should have, but didn't produce. At this juncture we're in the hunt for a normalish season and beating normal seems doable...definitely ahead of seasonal forecasting which seems to still be of little value. It's going to be interesting to see if we can get some late season action down in the western Caribbean...something I'm always interested in.
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#998 Postby chaser1 » Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:28 pm



Unless or until said tropical waves eventually move out of the MDR and develop nearer to Puerto Rico/Virgin Islands, Bahamas, N. Caribbean, or Gulf.
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#999 Postby NDG » Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:03 am

The season may end up at least average if this comes to fruition of African waves staying active through October.

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Will the Atlantic remain active over the next several weeks? It looks that way.

Enhanced rainfall and convection (purple) is expected to continue over Africa during the next several weeks, the breeding ground for tropical waves. The pattern may persist into October.

 https://twitter.com/BenNollWeather/status/1037656832435576833


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#1000 Postby TheStormExpert » Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:48 am

Then comes Michael Ventrice saying that the Cape Verde season may only last 1-2 weeks this year.

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