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#561 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:21 am

To the knowledgeable folks on here- Could we get a much
More active than forecasted burst of activity? Mdr trending warmer with a more active west African monsoon birthing tropical waves which are decreasing mdr trades. Could this mean an unexpected burst of activity prior to El Niño taking hold?

Obviously many other factors including shear and anticipated cooler ssts are predicted so it’s super uncertain. The experts don’t expect an active season, but with the mdr warming like this, if shear drops over the Caribbean 2018 could exceed predictions.
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#564 Postby cycloneye » Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:25 am

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#565 Postby NotSparta » Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:42 am

Looks like, at least for the first 10 days of July, the stronger than avg TUTT signature that was present in June has significantly degraded. I can't see the signature for a stronger than avg TUTT any longer, but it is not weaker than avg either.

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#566 Postby TheStormExpert » Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:59 am

It's obvious that the Euro and its seasonal forecasts are overly bullish in making the Atlantic much more hostile than it really is. Just take 2016, and 2017 for example, both active seasons with the latter being hyperactive. Meanwhile the Euro continuously forecasted a below average to average season at best for both.

Meanwhile, the Tropical Atlantic continues to warm. Also the cooler SST's are starting to move more into the Subtropical Atlantic which would be a better SST configuration if this continues to progress.

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Mid-Latitude Atlantic has started to cool.

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#567 Postby tolakram » Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:23 am

At the moment shear is running near to below normal in all regions.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/TCFP/atlantic.html

Rather meaningless for the future, just an interesting stat.
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#568 Postby Alyono » Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:54 am

cycloneye wrote:And then comes MIchael Ventrice with the bearish view.

 https://twitter.com/MJVentrice/status/1017722696413609984




 https://twitter.com/MJVentrice/status/1017723607634587648




Ventrice places far too much emphasis on the EC. He hugged the EC last year and totally missed Maria
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#571 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:01 pm

Definitely a surprising trend going on right now in the MDR. Reminds me of what started happening last year before the season went insane.
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#572 Postby cycloneye » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:38 pm

I think CSU,NOAA and TSR may have to raise numbers in their August forecast.
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#574 Postby Kingarabian » Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:28 pm

Alyono wrote:
cycloneye wrote:And then comes MIchael Ventrice with the bearish view.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MJVentrice/status/1017722696413609984[tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MJVentrice/status/1017723607634587648[tweet]


Ventrice places far too much emphasis on the EC. He hugged the EC last year and totally missed Maria


To be fair its not just the Euro, the JMA and CFS show the same thing.
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#575 Postby NotSparta » Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:41 pm

Kingarabian wrote:
Alyono wrote:
cycloneye wrote:And then comes MIchael Ventrice with the bearish view.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MJVentrice/status/1017722696413609984[tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MJVentrice/status/1017723607634587648[tweet]


Ventrice places far too much emphasis on the EC. He hugged the EC last year and totally missed Maria


To be fair its not just the Euro, the JMA and CFS show the same thing.


Then something is wrong with all these models wrt the WAM, you don't go from near record territory to much drier than normal in a timeframe like a week or two
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#576 Postby Kingarabian » Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:57 pm

NotSparta wrote:
Kingarabian wrote:
Alyono wrote:
Ventrice places far too much emphasis on the EC. He hugged the EC last year and totally missed Maria


To be fair its not just the Euro, the JMA and CFS show the same thing.


Then something is wrong with all these models wrt the WAM, you don't go from near record territory to much drier than normal in a timeframe like a week or two


I think they're behaving normally when you consider the subsurface pool in the CPAC/EPAC, and the MJO modeled to enter and become "stuck" in the El Nino phases.

It's all wait and see at this point. Mid August will be telling. Eric Blake and Levi Cowan do have a point that this may only be a small 2 week trend in the grand scheme of things.
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#577 Postby Kingarabian » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:45 pm

We've almost seen this situation before back in 2009. I'm using 2009 as an analog here because I'm using it for ENSO:

In 2009, the hurricane season began with a -AMO type signature although not as negative as this years. While it doesn't cover the entire MDR, the buoys @ 23W,0-20N show that in 2009, the MDR had similar if not stronger westerly anomalies that rapidly warmed up the SST's there:

2009:
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Will be interesting to see just how much more the trades are relaxed compared to 2009 when August begins and the rest of the July zonal wind data is uploaded.


However, 2009's El Nino was much more mature than this years at this time, but there is some leeway for 2018 since the AMO is a lot cooler than 2009's. I still think whether we see an established El Nino by ASO will be the deciding factor.
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#578 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:21 pm

Worth pointing out that 2009, despite being relatively inactive, turned two of the most impressive El Nino year CV hurricanes in the last decade: Hurricanes Bill and Fred.
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#579 Postby Alyono » Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:02 pm

Hypercane_Kyle wrote:Worth pointing out that 2009, despite being relatively inactive, turned two of the most impressive El Nino year CV hurricanes in the last decade: Hurricanes Bill and Fred.


Frances and Ivan have those two covered
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#580 Postby AutoPenalti » Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:33 pm

A bit off-topic but what was up with the abnormally high SST's in the higher latitudes during those months? (i.e. North Pole)
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