Disturbed Weather (now inland over Texas)

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Re: Disturbed Weather Over Northeastern Gulf

#41 Postby MississippiWx » Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:36 am

MGC wrote:There is a bit of spin at the mid levels south of Gulf Shores. Lets see what happens.....MGC


It’s at the surface for sure. Surface obs confirm this. However, it seems a bit elongated and still weak. I don’t buy the feedback process JB is talking about. Too much land interaction.
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Re: Disturbed Weather Over Northeastern Gulf

#42 Postby Alyono » Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:40 am

This was supposed to be over land. Instead its over the water
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Re: Disturbed Weather Over Northeastern Gulf

#43 Postby Aric Dunn » Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:42 am

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MGC wrote:There is a bit of spin at the mid levels south of Gulf Shores. Lets see what happens.....MGC


It’s at the surface for sure. Surface obs confirm this. However, it seems a bit elongated and still weak. I don’t buy the feedback process JB is talking about. Too much land interaction.


we regardless of what process is happening /might happen. the main point is that something is trying to take shape and it is doing it rather quickly.

chances are going up... especially if a defined circ is developing south with that low to mid level circ. .
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Re: Disturbed Weather Over Northeastern Gulf

#44 Postby northjaxpro » Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:43 am

This disturbance most definitely looks much more robust and impressive compared to very earlier at 06Z. NHC/WPC still has 1015 mb surface Low south of Pensacola. Pressures at the moment are not dropping appreciably. However, that may change as it moves west. A shot that a TD could develop out of this, depending on upper level shear and land intetaction.

I say as well this system gets a mention from NHC later today or early this evening.
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Re: Disturbed Weather Over Northeastern Gulf

#45 Postby NotSparta » Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:43 am

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Re: Disturbed Weather Over Northeastern Gulf

#46 Postby Clearcloudz » Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:47 am

Observations show weak surface low over northern Gulf of Mexico, drifting slowly toward the west-southwest.

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Re: Disturbed Weather Over Northeastern Gulf

#47 Postby MississippiWx » Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:49 am

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MississippiWx wrote:
MGC wrote:There is a bit of spin at the mid levels south of Gulf Shores. Lets see what happens.....MGC


It’s at the surface for sure. Surface obs confirm this. However, it seems a bit elongated and still weak. I don’t buy the feedback process JB is talking about. Too much land interaction.


we regardless of what process is happening /might happen. the main point is that something is trying to take shape and it is doing it rather quickly.

chances are going up... especially if a defined circ is developing south with that low to mid level circ. .


It will have to evolve a good deal more to the south. This is on a collision course with Louisiana for now. If nothing changes, it will be inland tomorrow.
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Re: Disturbed Weather Over Northeastern Gulf

#48 Postby Aric Dunn » Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:57 am

MississippiWx wrote:
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It’s at the surface for sure. Surface obs confirm this. However, it seems a bit elongated and still weak. I don’t buy the feedback process JB is talking about. Too much land interaction.


we regardless of what process is happening /might happen. the main point is that something is trying to take shape and it is doing it rather quickly.

chances are going up... especially if a defined circ is developing south with that low to mid level circ. .


It will have to evolve a good deal more to the south. This is on a collision course with Louisiana for now. If nothing changes, it will be inland tomorrow.


Assuming it went straight west. and something develops under that mid level than it would graze the coast .. then open waters as it heads to Houston area.

given the slight NE wind shear it could "evolve" more south as well.. overall it has drastically improved and continues too. if convection keeps building like it has then its only a short matter of time before a well defined surface circ consolidates.
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Re: Disturbed Weather Over Northeastern Gulf

#49 Postby Clearcloudz » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:02 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:
MississippiWx wrote:
Aric Dunn wrote:
we regardless of what process is happening /might happen. the main point is that something is trying to take shape and it is doing it rather quickly.

chances are going up... especially if a defined circ is developing south with that low to mid level circ. .


It will have to evolve a good deal more to the south. This is on a collision course with Louisiana for now. If nothing changes, it will be inland tomorrow.


Assuming it went straight west. and something develops under that mid level than it would graze the coast .. then open waters as it heads to Houston area.

given the slight NE wind shear it could "evolve" more south as well.. overall it has drastically improved and continues too. if convection keeps building like it has then its only a short matter of time before a well defined surface circ consolidates.


Edouard in 2008 did something similar. But it developed farther south which allowed it to remain over water longer.

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Re: Disturbed Weather Over Northeastern Gulf

#50 Postby Alyono » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:04 pm

someone needs to educate TWC that this is a SURFACE low, not an upper low
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Re: Disturbed Weather Over Northeastern Gulf

#51 Postby NDG » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:08 pm

I think the well defined vorticity on radar and satellite is not quite at the surface, at least not yet. Surface reports indicate just a broad circulation with surface pressures still quite high and have not fallen much in the past 24 hrs.

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Re: Disturbed Weather Over Northeastern Gulf

#52 Postby Siker » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:24 pm

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Re: Disturbed Weather Over Northeastern Gulf

#53 Postby Aric Dunn » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:24 pm

This is not acting like your everyday run of the mil mid level vort. it may not be well defined at the surface but this very likely extends into the low levels.

deep convection building in the last frame a buckling to the south. wont be much longer..

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Re: Disturbed Weather Over Northeastern Gulf

#54 Postby Siker » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:29 pm

You can see in this GEFS image how some members have a low staying right along the coastline all the way to Texas. Hard to tell how many show this scenario:

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Re: Disturbed Weather Over Northeastern Gulf

#55 Postby Aric Dunn » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:29 pm

another loop..

very interesting indeed...

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Disturbed Weather Over Northeastern Gulf: 2 PM TWO= 10%/10%

#56 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:31 pm

Tropical Weather Outlook
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL
200 PM EDT Mon Jul 2 2018

For the North Atlantic...Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico:

A large area of disorganized showers and thunderstorms extending
from the north-central Gulf of Mexico across the western Florida
panhandle is associated with a broad area of low pressure and
associated surface trough. Close proximity to land should prevent
significant development of this system before it moves westward and
inland over southeastern Louisiana on Tuesday. Regardless of
development, this system is forecast to produce locally heavy
rainfall along portions of the northern Gulf Coast during the next
couple of days. Additional information on this system can be found
in products issued by your local National Weather Service office.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...10 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...low...10 percent.

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Re: Disturbed Weather Over Northeastern Gulf: 2 PM TWO=10%/10%

#57 Postby Stormcenter » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:35 pm

Hmmmmmmm only gives it a 10% chance......maybe the NHC is looking at another disturbance? IDK these days.
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Re: Disturbed Weather Over Northeastern Gulf: 2 PM TWO=10%/10%

#58 Postby Siker » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:36 pm

Southward trend is evident on the GEFS:

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Re: Disturbed Weather Over Northeastern Gulf: 2 PM TWO=10%/10%

#59 Postby Clearcloudz » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:37 pm

Stormcenter wrote:Hmmmmmmm only gives it a 10% chance......maybe the NHC is looking at another disturbance? IDK these days.


I would've expected it to be higher as well. No model support possibly thats the reason for the 10 percent.
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Re: Disturbed Weather Over Northeastern Gulf: 2 PM TWO=10%/10%

#60 Postby Aric Dunn » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:41 pm

ForexTidbits wrote:
Stormcenter wrote:Hmmmmmmm only gives it a 10% chance......maybe the NHC is looking at another disturbance? IDK these days.


I would've expected it to be higher as well. No model support possibly thats the reason for the 10 percent.


well a 10 percent chance up where they put it so close to the coast. from that position, it would be inland.

from where it actually looks like its coming together the chances are higher since it could stay along the coast over slightly over water.
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