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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM

#101 Postby srainhoutx » Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:34 am

Monday morning Weather Briefing from Jeff:

Potential for heavy rainfall and flash flooding will be increasing this week

Weak low pressure system will meander near the TX coast for several days resulting in multiple impacts

Upper level low that has been talked about since Friday is now reaching the western Gulf of Mexico with both radars from Lake Charles and Houston showing numerous clusters and bands of rainfall across the NW Gulf waters associated with the deeper tropical moisture located just offshore. These bands will begin to rotate inland starting later this morning with very heavy rainfall and gusty winds of 40-45mph. As the upper level low moves slowly westward toward the mid TX coast a weak surface low or surface trough will be developing along the middle and upper TX coast. Models have come into a bit better agreement that a surface low pressure system may form just offshore on Tuesday and drift inland over SE TX Tuesday night into Wednesday. NHC currently gives the system a 10% chance of tropical formation…BUT regardless if something develops tropically or not…the main impact will be heavy rainfall.

Ingredients appear to be coming together in the late Tuesday through Thursday time period for a heavy rainfall event over the region. Surface trough or surface low will drift into the region from the south, PWS values soar to 2.2-2.5 inches, increasing low level SSE/SE flow will help pump an endless supply of moisture into the region. Formation of slow moving clusters and training rainbands appear likely over portions of the area.

While grounds are very dry over much of the region, this weather system will be very capable of producing excessive amounts of rainfall in a short period of time. Rains today and Tuesday especially south of I-10 will go into starting to saturate the very dry ground conditions and expect conditions by Wednesday to support much more run-off. Current HCFCD soil moisture sensors at a depth of 2 inches show moisture values ranging from a low of 4% in Tomball to a high 48% at NRG stadium. I have attached the current soil moisture values for the 2 inch and 4 inch depths across the area.

Rainfall Amounts:
Widespread rainfall amounts of 3-6 inches will be likely over much of the area with isolated totals of 10-15 inches possible. Hourly rainfall rates of 3-4 inches will be possible under any training bands and any slow moving clusters resulting in rapid onset urban flash flooding. The threat for creek, bayou, and river flooding will be increasing by mid week as grounds becoming increasingly saturated and run-off increases.

A flash flood watch will likely be required for portions of the area.

WPC has placed portions of the area under a slight risk for flash flooding for both Tuesday and Wednesday.

Tides:
ENE/E winds over the northern Gulf have resulted in increased tides along the upper TX coast with water levels running 1-2 feet above normal levels. Total water levels at times of high tide of 3.0-3.5 feet will be possible along the upper TX coast today which may result in minor coastal flooding at some of the more vulnerable locations.


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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM

#102 Postby SoupBone » Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:36 am

stormlover2013 wrote:
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Garnetcat5 wrote:No one here in Houston has brought up rain totals near 30 inches.


Our paid pro-mets are forecasting 2-3", with some areas getting 6".



They aren't fully on board yet, if the 12z shows what the 00z run was last night then that number will go up, they are being Conservative right now


Like I said these aren't public consumption mets. For Harvey, they were steadily telling us 20" or more, well before any local mets were talking about it. :wink:

You may be right, we'll just have to keep watching, like we always do. :D I sure hope we don't get 30". We need rain, but not that much.
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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM

#103 Postby Garnetcat5 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:47 am

I thought there was a whole lot of dry air that was going to suppress it? What happened?
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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM

#104 Postby MississippiWx » Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:52 am

The curvature of the NW Gulf Coast is doing its work again. This looks like a TD this morning.
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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM

#105 Postby HurricaneAndre2008 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:56 am

MississippiWx wrote:The curvature of the NW Gulf Coast is doing its work again. This looks like a TD this morning.


Is there any ascat that confirms this
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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM

#106 Postby cycloneye » Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:00 am

Manual Floater from tropical tidbits is with this area.

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/sat/sat ... product=ir


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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM

#107 Postby Garnetcat5 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:04 am

I thought there was a whole lot of dry air that was going to suppress it? What happened?
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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM

#108 Postby MississippiWx » Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:14 am

HurricaneAndre2008 wrote:
MississippiWx wrote:The curvature of the NW Gulf Coast is doing its work again. This looks like a TD this morning.


Is there any ascat that confirms this


Judging by the 8AM discussion from the NHC, they won't upgrade. It's not a big deal as it likely won't strengthen much past its current state, but still looks much more worthy than a 10% chance.
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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM

#109 Postby Steve » Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:15 am

Garnetcat5 wrote:I thought there was a whole lot of dry air that was going to suppress it? What happened?


I don't know who said that or why, so you'd have to go back to where you thought you heard it and ask. If if was someone on here, you might want to include their name in the request. Here's the water vapor
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/sat/sat ... uct=wv-mid

Here's the 7 day QPF forecast. It doesn't look particularly dry to me.
https://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/qpf/p168i.gif?1568643638
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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM

#110 Postby Garnetcat5 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:22 am

No one here said it. I saw it on the newscast on TV.
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Disturbed weather in GOM

#111 Postby jasons2k » Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:39 am

Water vapor has been showing it entraining lots of dry air for days...that does suppress development... nevertheless, lots of rain on the way for Texas.
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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM

#112 Postby captainbarbossa19 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:46 am

MississippiWx wrote:
HurricaneAndre2008 wrote:
MississippiWx wrote:The curvature of the NW Gulf Coast is doing its work again. This looks like a TD this morning.


Is there any ascat that confirms this


Judging by the 8AM discussion from the NHC, they won't upgrade. It's not a big deal as it likely won't strengthen much past its current state, but still looks much more worthy than a 10% chance.


Seems like this system is going to have move rather quickly if it is going to move onshore by tonight or tomorrow morning. The only model I saw that moved the center onshore recently was the GFS. However, the latest model run shows it moving onshore on Wednesday morning. Also, I think the center is forming much further north than where the NHC currently has it tagged. However, maybe the NHC knows something that the models are not showing.
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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM

#113 Postby jasons2k » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:05 am

Looks like it’s closing off a LLC to me.
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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM

#114 Postby wxman57 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:06 am

HurricaneAndre2008 wrote:
MississippiWx wrote:The curvature of the NW Gulf Coast is doing its work again. This looks like a TD this morning.


Is there any ascat that confirms this


It's over an area with plenty of observations, which indicate a trof axis at the very least. ScatSat from last evening indicates a trof axis. I'm surprised the NHC only went 10%, myself. Might wander around off the TX coast until tomorrow night. I'm just hoping I get some rain in SW Houston. Severe drought. My rose bushes already died. Grass is dead. Trees suffering. Don't need 30", though...

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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM

#115 Postby GCANE » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:20 am

Surface obs appear to support a weak, closed off surface low in the middle of the convection.
Est CoC 27.2N 94.4W
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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM

#116 Postby ATCcane » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:24 am

https://weather.cod.edu/satrad/?parms=s ... =undefined

Nice loop with the surface obs overlayed.
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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM

#117 Postby GCANE » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:41 am

Station KVAF, the one with no wind barb is at 27.4N 94.6W
Looks like a tower is firing just to the NW of it.
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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM

#118 Postby GCANE » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:50 am

Station KHHV, south of the CoC reporting increasing west winds after a big shift earlier this morning.

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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM

#119 Postby wxman57 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:01 am

GCANE wrote:Surface obs appear to support a weak, closed off surface low in the middle of the convection.
Est CoC 27.2N 94.4W


I'm seeing SW to NE moving low clouds well west of there, as far west as 95.4W. Looks more like a trof axis currently.
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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM

#120 Postby SoupBone » Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:22 am

wxman57 wrote:
GCANE wrote:Surface obs appear to support a weak, closed off surface low in the middle of the convection.
Est CoC 27.2N 94.4W


I'm seeing SW to NE moving low clouds well west of there, as far west as 95.4W. Looks more like a trof axis currently.


Where do you place the center?
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