Expert forecasts for 2020 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

This is the general tropical discussion area. Anyone can take their shot at predicting a storms path.

Moderator: S2k Moderators

Forum rules

The posts in this forum are NOT official forecasts and should not be used as such. They are just the opinion of the poster and may or may not be backed by sound meteorological data. They are NOT endorsed by any professional institution or STORM2K. For official information, please refer to products from the National Hurricane Center and National Weather Service.

Help Support Storm2K
Message
Author
User avatar
cycloneye
Admin
Admin
Posts: 139051
Age: 67
Joined: Thu Oct 10, 2002 10:54 am
Location: San Juan, Puerto Rico

Expert forecasts for 2020 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

#1 Postby cycloneye » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:33 pm

CSU opens the gate.

1. AMO becomes very strong in 2020 and no El Niño occurs (resulting in a seasonal
average Accumulated Cyclone Energy (ACE) activity of ~ 170) – 15% chance.
2. AMO is above average and no El Niño occurs (ACE ~ 130) – 30% chance.
3. AMO is above average and El Niño develops (ACE ~ 80) – 20% chance.
4. AMO is below average and no El Niño occurs (ACE ~ 80) – 25% chance.
5. AMO is below average and El Niño develops (ACE ~ 50) – 10% chance.

Typically, seasons with the above-listed ACE values have TC activity as follows:
170 ACE – 14-17 named storms, 9-11 hurricanes, 4-5 major hurricanes
120 ACE – 12-15 named storms, 6-8 hurricanes, 2-3 major hurricanes
80 ACE – 8-11 named storms, 3-5 hurricanes, 1-2 major hurricanes
50 ACE – 5-7 named storms, 2-3 hurricanes, 0-1 major hurricanes




CSU ... https://tropical.colostate.edu/media/si ... 019-12.pdf ... December 12

... https://tropical.colostate.edu/media/si ... 020-04.pdf ... 16/8/4 ... April 2

... https://tropical.colostate.edu/Forecast/2020-06.pdf ... 19/9/4 ... June 4

... https://tropical.colostate.edu/Forecast/2020-07.pdf ... 20/9/4... July 7

... https://tropical.colostate.edu/Forecast/2020-08.pdf ... 24/12/5... August 5

... https://tropical.colostate.edu/Forecast/2020-0805.pdf ... Two week Forecast from August 5-18

... https://tropical.colostate.edu/Forecast/2020-0819.pdf ... Two week Forecast August 20 - September 1

... https://tropical.colostate.edu/Forecast/2020-0902.pdf ... Two week forecast September 2-15

... https://tropical.colostate.edu/Forecast/2020-0916.pdf ... Two week forecast September 16-29

... https://tropical.colostate.edu/Forecast/2020-0930.pdf ... Two week forecast September 30 - October 13

... https://tropical.colostate.edu/Forecast/2020-1014.pdf ... Two Week forecast October 14-27

... https://tropical.colostate.edu/Forecast/2020-11.pdf ... Verification




TSR ...http://www.tropicalstormrisk.com/docs/T ... ec2020.pdf ... 15/7/4 ... December 19

... http://www.tropicalstormrisk.com/docs/T ... pr2020.pdf ... 16/8/3 ... April 7

... https://www.tropicalstormrisk.com/docs/ ... on2020.pdf ... 17/8/3

... http://www.tropicalstormrisk.com/docs/T ... ly2020.pdf ... 18/8/4... July 7

... http://www.tropicalstormrisk.com/docs/T ... ug2020.pdf ... ... 20/10/4 ... August 5


NOAA https://www.noaa.gov/media-release/busy ... d-for-2020 ... 13-19 named storms

... https://www.noaa.gov/media-release/extr ... ntic-basin ... 19-25 named storms ... August 6


Crown Weather Services ... https://crownweather.com/index.php/disc ... -march-10/ ... 15/8/3 ... March 10

... 20/10/4 ... June 8




Joe Bastardi ... 14-20 named storms ... March 14



... 14-20 named storms ... April 7




AccuWeather ... https://www.accuweather.com/en/hurrican ... ast/705233 ... 14-18 named storms ... March 25

,,, https://www.accuweather.com/en/hurrican ... ce=twitter ,,, 14-20 named Storms ... May 7

https://www.accuweather.com/en/hurrican ... oms/785249 ... 20-24 named storms ... July 30




Weather Tiger ...https://weathertiger.com/tropical/atlan ... pril-2020/ ... 16/8/4 ... April 13

... https://weathertiger.com/tropical/atlan ... june-2020/ ... 19/9/5 ... June 8



Weather Channel: https://weather.com/storms/hurricane/ne ... ompany-ibm ... April 16



University of Arizona: http://has.arizona.edu/sites/default/fi ... l_2020.pdf ... 19/10/5 ... April 13



NC State: https://news.ncsu.edu/2020/04/2020-acti ... ne-season/ ... 18-22 named storms ...April 17


PENN State ... http://www.essc.psu.edu/essc_web/resear ... e2020.html ... 19.8 named storms

UKMET https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/w ... ntic2020... 13/7/3 ... May 19
6 likes   
Visit the Caribbean-Central America Weather Thread where you can find at first post web cams,radars
and observations from Caribbean basin members Click Here

User avatar
DioBrando
Category 4
Category 4
Posts: 917
Age: 27
Joined: Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:45 pm

Re: Expert forecasts for 2020 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

#2 Postby DioBrando » Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:12 pm

http://www.tropicalstormrisk.com/docs/T ... ec2020.pdf

TSR December 12, 2019 14 6 3

tsr slidin' in
1 likes   
blonde stacey (xe/xem/xir)

User avatar
cycloneye
Admin
Admin
Posts: 139051
Age: 67
Joined: Thu Oct 10, 2002 10:54 am
Location: San Juan, Puerto Rico

Re: Expert forecasts for 2020 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

#3 Postby cycloneye » Sun Dec 15, 2019 5:52 pm

DioBrando wrote:http://www.tropicalstormrisk.com/docs/TSRATLForecastDec2020.pdf

TSR December 12, 2019 14 6 3

tsr slidin' in


The link does not work. On their site the December forecast has not shown up yet.
3 likes   
Visit the Caribbean-Central America Weather Thread where you can find at first post web cams,radars
and observations from Caribbean basin members Click Here

User avatar
DioBrando
Category 4
Category 4
Posts: 917
Age: 27
Joined: Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:45 pm

Re: Expert forecasts for 2020 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

#4 Postby DioBrando » Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:20 am

cycloneye wrote:
DioBrando wrote:http://www.tropicalstormrisk.com/docs/TSRATLForecastDec2020.pdf

TSR December 12, 2019 14 6 3

tsr slidin' in


The link does not work. On their site the December forecast has not shown up yet.

Oh dear :(
0 likes   
blonde stacey (xe/xem/xir)

User avatar
crownweather
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 575
Age: 49
Joined: Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:21 am
Location: Sturbridge, Massachusetts
Contact:

Re: Expert forecasts for 2020 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

#5 Postby crownweather » Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:39 am

DioBrando wrote:
cycloneye wrote:
DioBrando wrote:http://www.tropicalstormrisk.com/docs/TSRATLForecastDec2020.pdf

TSR December 12, 2019 14 6 3

tsr slidin' in


The link does not work. On their site the December forecast has not shown up yet.

Oh dear :(


TSR Forecast now up and published at http://tropicalstormrisk.com/.

Their forecast calls for 15 named storms, 7 hurricanes and 4 major hurricanes. ACE of 105.
3 likes   
Rob Lightbown
Crown Weather Services
https://crownweather.com

User avatar
cycloneye
Admin
Admin
Posts: 139051
Age: 67
Joined: Thu Oct 10, 2002 10:54 am
Location: San Juan, Puerto Rico

Re: Expert forecasts for 2020 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

#6 Postby cycloneye » Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:59 am

DioBrando wrote:
cycloneye wrote:
DioBrando wrote:http://www.tropicalstormrisk.com/docs/TSRATLForecastDec2020.pdf

TSR December 12, 2019 14 6 3

tsr slidin' in


The link does not work. On their site the December forecast has not shown up yet.

Oh dear :(


Is now up on the PDF form.
0 likes   
Visit the Caribbean-Central America Weather Thread where you can find at first post web cams,radars
and observations from Caribbean basin members Click Here

User avatar
crownweather
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 575
Age: 49
Joined: Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:21 am
Location: Sturbridge, Massachusetts
Contact:

Re: Expert forecasts for 2020 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

#7 Postby crownweather » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:15 am

I just posted our forecast for the 2020 Hurricane Season. For numbers, I'm going with 15 named storms, 8 hurricanes and 3 major hurricanes with an ACE of 130.

I do think that the Caribbean & Gulf of Mexico could be quite active this season.

Full forecast at https://crownweather.com/index.php/discussions/2020-atlantic-caribbean-gulf-of-mexico-hurricane-season-forecast-issued-march-10/
4 likes   
Rob Lightbown
Crown Weather Services
https://crownweather.com

User avatar
mcheer23
Professional-Met
Professional-Met
Posts: 423
Age: 30
Joined: Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:24 pm
Location: Sugar Land, Texas

Re: Expert forecasts for 2020 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

#8 Postby mcheer23 » Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:15 am

crownweather wrote:I just posted our forecast for the 2020 Hurricane Season. For numbers, I'm going with 15 named storms, 8 hurricanes and 3 major hurricanes with an ACE of 130.

I do think that the Caribbean & Gulf of Mexico could be quite active this season.

Full forecast at https://crownweather.com/index.php/discussions/2020-atlantic-caribbean-gulf-of-mexico-hurricane-season-forecast-issued-march-10/


2005 as an analog! :double:
1 likes   

User avatar
MGC
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 5792
Joined: Sun Mar 23, 2003 9:05 pm
Location: Pass Christian MS, or what is left.

Re: Expert forecasts for 2020 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

#9 Postby MGC » Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:00 pm

mcheer23 wrote:
crownweather wrote:I just posted our forecast for the 2020 Hurricane Season. For numbers, I'm going with 15 named storms, 8 hurricanes and 3 major hurricanes with an ACE of 130.

I do think that the Caribbean & Gulf of Mexico could be quite active this season.

Full forecast at https://crownweather.com/index.php/discussions/2020-atlantic-caribbean-gulf-of-mexico-hurricane-season-forecast-issued-march-10/


2005 as an analog! :double:


2005? Bite your tongue! It is looking to be a busy season......MGC
2 likes   

User avatar
TheStormExpert
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 8487
Age: 30
Joined: Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:38 pm
Location: Palm Beach Gardens, FL

Re: Expert forecasts for 2020 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

#10 Postby TheStormExpert » Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:37 pm

MGC wrote:
mcheer23 wrote:
crownweather wrote:I just posted our forecast for the 2020 Hurricane Season. For numbers, I'm going with 15 named storms, 8 hurricanes and 3 major hurricanes with an ACE of 130.

I do think that the Caribbean & Gulf of Mexico could be quite active this season.

Full forecast at https://crownweather.com/index.php/discussions/2020-atlantic-caribbean-gulf-of-mexico-hurricane-season-forecast-issued-march-10/


2005 as an analog! :double:


2005? Bite your tongue! It is looking to be a busy season......MGC

2005 is almost always mentioned at least once every year it seems as a potential analog season at some point. Has it ever verified? Fortunately not yet (at least since 2005). :lol: As long NOTHING goes near Florida and The Bahamas I’m good, we and them don’t need anymore trouble, especially the latter one.

Busy or not, be prepared!
2 likes   
The following post is NOT an official forecast and should not be used as such. It is just the opinion of the poster and may or may not be backed by sound meteorological data. It is NOT endorsed by storm2k.org.

User avatar
crownweather
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 575
Age: 49
Joined: Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:21 am
Location: Sturbridge, Massachusetts
Contact:

Re: Expert forecasts for 2020 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

#11 Postby crownweather » Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:48 pm

TheStormExpert wrote:
MGC wrote:
mcheer23 wrote:
2005 as an analog! :double:


2005? Bite your tongue! It is looking to be a busy season......MGC

2005 is almost always mentioned at least once every year it seems as a potential analog season at some point. Has it ever verified? Fortunately not yet (at least since 2005). :lol: As long NOTHING goes near Florida and The Bahamas I’m good, we and them don’t need anymore trouble, especially the latter one.

Busy or not, be prepared!


For me, I have never used 2005 as a analog year until this season. The ONI for 2004 into 2005 was a close match. Also, interestingly, the analogs off of Tropical Tidbits lists 2005 as #1 analog right now for sea surface temps.

Image

Image
4 likes   
Rob Lightbown
Crown Weather Services
https://crownweather.com

User avatar
aspen
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 8056
Joined: Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:10 pm
Location: Connecticut, USA

Re: Expert forecasts for 2020 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

#12 Postby aspen » Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:20 am

crownweather wrote:
TheStormExpert wrote:
MGC wrote:
2005? Bite your tongue! It is looking to be a busy season......MGC

2005 is almost always mentioned at least once every year it seems as a potential analog season at some point. Has it ever verified? Fortunately not yet (at least since 2005). :lol: As long NOTHING goes near Florida and The Bahamas I’m good, we and them don’t need anymore trouble, especially the latter one.

Busy or not, be prepared!


For me, I have never used 2005 as a analog year until this season. The ONI for 2004 into 2005 was a close match. Also, interestingly, the analogs off of Tropical Tidbits lists 2005 as #1 analog right now for sea surface temps.

https://i.imgur.com/oiRdKqC.png

https://i.imgur.com/zoeHFFQ.png

It’s definitely worrying to say the least seeing 2005 as the top analogue season, as well as 2004 and 2016 there too. However, 1973 and 2013 are also analogue seasons, and both were well below-average. Just because 2005 is on the list doesn’t mean we’re guaranteed to have a hyperactive season, even though the possibility still remains.
1 likes   
Irene '11 Sandy '12 Hermine '16 5/15/2018 Derecho Fay '20 Isaias '20 Elsa '21 Henri '21 Ida '21

I am only a meteorology enthusiast who knows a decent amount about tropical cyclones. Look to the professional mets, the NHC, or your local weather office for the best information.

User avatar
wxman57
Moderator-Pro Met
Moderator-Pro Met
Posts: 22480
Age: 66
Joined: Sat Jun 21, 2003 8:06 pm
Location: Houston, TX (southwest)

Re: Expert forecasts for 2020 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

#13 Postby wxman57 » Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:36 pm

Not one of Crown Weather's analog seasons matches any of ours, which include 1966, 1967, and 1977. I'm thinking fewer storms in the subtropics this season, which runs against 1995 tracks. MDR still fairly hostile, too. Our analogs average 9-10 named storms, but you have to add on 4-5 to account for all the short-lived, subtropical storms, and occluded lows that may get named.
4 likes   

User avatar
HurricaneEnzo
Category 2
Category 2
Posts: 723
Joined: Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:18 pm
Location: Newport, NC (Hurricane Alley)

Re: Expert forecasts for 2020 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

#14 Postby HurricaneEnzo » Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:26 pm

So the analogs run the gamet from the most active season on record to one of the least active seasons on record. That narrows it down :D :D :D Clear as mud.
2 likes   
Bertha 96' - Fran 96' - Bonnie 98' - Dennis 99' - Floyd 99' - Isabel 03' - Alex 04' - Ophelia 05' - Irene 11' - Arthur 14' - Matthew 16' - Florence 18' - Dorian 19' - Isaias 20' (countless other tropical storms and Hurricane swipes)

I am not a Professional Met just an enthusiast. Get your weather forecasts from the Pros!

User avatar
aspen
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 8056
Joined: Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:10 pm
Location: Connecticut, USA

Re: Expert forecasts for 2020 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

#15 Postby aspen » Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:34 pm

HurricaneEnzo wrote:So the analogs run the gamet from the most active season on record to one of the least active seasons on record. That narrows it down :D :D :D Clear as mud.

I think we can (almost) confidently say this is going to be at least an average season; how much above average remains to be seen.

I’m personally not going to call for anything crazy (>16 named storms or >130 ACE) just yet, because we still have plenty of time for things to change in favor of a somewhat tamer year than the last few seasons. The possibility for something like that does remain, though.
0 likes   
Irene '11 Sandy '12 Hermine '16 5/15/2018 Derecho Fay '20 Isaias '20 Elsa '21 Henri '21 Ida '21

I am only a meteorology enthusiast who knows a decent amount about tropical cyclones. Look to the professional mets, the NHC, or your local weather office for the best information.

User avatar
CyclonicFury
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 1973
Age: 25
Joined: Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:32 pm
Location: NC
Contact:

Re: Expert forecasts for 2020 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

#16 Postby CyclonicFury » Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:35 pm

wxman57 wrote:Not one of Crown Weather's analog seasons matches any of ours, which include 1966, 1967, and 1977. I'm thinking fewer storms in the subtropics this season, which runs against 1995 tracks. MDR still fairly hostile, too. Our analogs average 9-10 named storms, but you have to add on 4-5 to account for all the short-lived, subtropical storms, and occluded lows that may get named.

Why do you think the MDR will be hostile?
0 likes   
NCSU B.S. in Meteorology Class of 2021. Tropical weather blogger at http://www.cyclonicfury.com. My forecasts and thoughts are NOT official, for official forecasts please consult the National Hurricane Center.

User avatar
wxman57
Moderator-Pro Met
Moderator-Pro Met
Posts: 22480
Age: 66
Joined: Sat Jun 21, 2003 8:06 pm
Location: Houston, TX (southwest)

Re: Expert forecasts for 2020 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

#17 Postby wxman57 » Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:28 pm

CyclonicFury wrote:
wxman57 wrote:Not one of Crown Weather's analog seasons matches any of ours, which include 1966, 1967, and 1977. I'm thinking fewer storms in the subtropics this season, which runs against 1995 tracks. MDR still fairly hostile, too. Our analogs average 9-10 named storms, but you have to add on 4-5 to account for all the short-lived, subtropical storms, and occluded lows that may get named.

Why do you think the MDR will be hostile?


Positive NAO = increased easterly trades, upwelling of cooler water, low-level shear, dry air. As of today, the air there is very stable, much more stable than normal. If the NAO switches to negative, then that could change.

https://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/TCFP/data/current/ts_al_tat_THDV.gif
5 likes   

ncforecaster89
Tropical Storm
Tropical Storm
Posts: 219
Age: 53
Joined: Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:32 pm
Contact:

Re: Expert forecasts for 2020 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

#18 Postby ncforecaster89 » Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:26 pm

wxman57 wrote:Not one of Crown Weather's analog seasons matches any of ours, which include 1966, 1967, and 1977. I'm thinking fewer storms in the subtropics this season, which runs against 1995 tracks. MDR is still fairly hostile, too. Our analogs average 9-10 named storms, but you have to add on 4-5 to account for all the short-lived, subtropical storms, and occluded lows that may get named.


As you so well stated, can't forget to add the additional 4-5 named systems that wouldn't have been classified as tropical storms prior to the new millennium.

As such, 15-16 named storms is the new average. Doesn't take much increased activity to get 18-19 tropical storms in a reasonably favorable seasonal atmospheric and oceanic environment. That said, I doubt very seriously we see a repeat of 2005 within the next thirty years.
0 likes   

User avatar
aspen
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 8056
Joined: Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:10 pm
Location: Connecticut, USA

Re: Expert forecasts for 2020 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

#19 Postby aspen » Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:26 pm

wxman57 wrote:
CyclonicFury wrote:
wxman57 wrote:Not one of Crown Weather's analog seasons matches any of ours, which include 1966, 1967, and 1977. I'm thinking fewer storms in the subtropics this season, which runs against 1995 tracks. MDR still fairly hostile, too. Our analogs average 9-10 named storms, but you have to add on 4-5 to account for all the short-lived, subtropical storms, and occluded lows that may get named.

Why do you think the MDR will be hostile?


Positive NAO = increased easterly trades, upwelling of cooler water, low-level shear, dry air. As of today, the air there is very stable, much more stable than normal. If the NAO switches to negative, then that could change.

https://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/TCFP/data/current/ts_al_tat_THDV.gif

So we’re potentially looking at a season with increased activity in the Gulf and Caribbean, and decreased activity in the MDR, correct? Or are there signs that the MDR could still be somewhat active?
0 likes   
Irene '11 Sandy '12 Hermine '16 5/15/2018 Derecho Fay '20 Isaias '20 Elsa '21 Henri '21 Ida '21

I am only a meteorology enthusiast who knows a decent amount about tropical cyclones. Look to the professional mets, the NHC, or your local weather office for the best information.

User avatar
TheStormExpert
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 8487
Age: 30
Joined: Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:38 pm
Location: Palm Beach Gardens, FL

Re: Expert forecasts for 2020 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

#20 Postby TheStormExpert » Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:12 pm

wxman57 wrote:
CyclonicFury wrote:
wxman57 wrote:Not one of Crown Weather's analog seasons matches any of ours, which include 1966, 1967, and 1977. I'm thinking fewer storms in the subtropics this season, which runs against 1995 tracks. MDR still fairly hostile, too. Our analogs average 9-10 named storms, but you have to add on 4-5 to account for all the short-lived, subtropical storms, and occluded lows that may get named.

Why do you think the MDR will be hostile?


Positive NAO = increased easterly trades, upwelling of cooler water, low-level shear, dry air. As of today, the air there is very stable, much more stable than normal. If the NAO switches to negative, then that could change.

https://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/TCFP/data/current/ts_al_tat_THDV.gif

Didn't 2005 have a somewhat hostile MDR and look what happened. A hostile MDR or Tropical Atlantic doesn't mean a slow and less dangerous season like we've seen in the few years all it takes is one or two to make it a bad year! Btw, Wxman57 how are you so sure the NAO won't be negative come summer? :wink:
1 likes   
The following post is NOT an official forecast and should not be used as such. It is just the opinion of the poster and may or may not be backed by sound meteorological data. It is NOT endorsed by storm2k.org.


Return to “Talkin' Tropics”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: chaser1, Google Adsense [Bot], Teban54 and 90 guests