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Central Atlantic Tropical Wave (Is Invest 97L)

#1 Postby AJC3 » Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:44 pm

So that peeps don't post about it in the 95L thread...

Tropical Weather Discussion
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL
636 PM EDT Mon Aug 10 2020

...TROPICAL WAVES...

A tropical wave has been added to the analysis along the coast of Africa along 17W, from 19N. Scattered moderate convection is noted from 09N to 14N between 17W-22W. from 17N south. Numerous moderate isolated strong convection is from 09N-15N between 15W-21W.


Clean miss on the last ASCAT METOP passes, but both clearly show a larger area of surface convergence into that area, and of course, especially along the ITCZ

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Re: Tropical Wave Along the Coast of Africa

#2 Postby toad strangler » Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:57 pm

WOW 19 North .... See ya! Have a good voyage into the N Atlantic :lol:
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Re: Tropical Wave Along the Coast of Africa

#3 Postby AJC3 » Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:59 pm

toad strangler wrote:WOW 19 North .... See ya! Have a good voyage into the N Atlantic :lol:


19N is the northern end of the wave axis. Based on short wave IR, the vort max appears to be well to the south...near 13N, perhaps 12N.

Tough to tell without a good scatterometer pass. There should be a new METOP-B pass posting soon, hopefully it hits it.
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Re: Tropical Wave Along the Coast of Africa

#4 Postby AJC3 » Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:27 pm

New ASCAT pass as of 23Z....the surface reflection of the wave axis didn't appear to be offshore yet.


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Re: Tropical Wave Along the Coast of Africa

#5 Postby bob rulz » Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:16 am

Any model support for this one? No mention in the TWO yet.
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Re: East Atlantic Tropical Wave

#6 Postby AJC3 » Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:57 pm

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2328 UTC Tue Aug 11 2020

...TROPICAL WAVES...

An eastern Atlantic tropical wave axis is near 25W south of 18N, moving W at 10-15 kt. Scattered moderate and isolated strong convection is noted from 08N-14N between 17W-24W.
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Re: East Atlantic Tropical Wave

#7 Postby AJC3 » Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:43 pm

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630 PM EDT Wed Aug 12 2020

...TROPICAL WAVES...

A tropical wave extends from 02N-18N with axis near 34W, moving west at 10-15 kt. The convection noted in the proximity of the wave is related to the monsoon trough, and is from 07N-11N between 28W-34W.



Not much of a signature on ASCAT. All of the deep convection is embedded in the active ITCZ/monsoon trough.
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Re: East Atlantic Tropical Wave

#8 Postby eastcoastFL » Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:11 pm

Is that long chain of convection embedded in the ITCZ all one wave or is it more than one? It looks like one long chain from about 34W all the way to Africa
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Re: East Atlantic Tropical Wave

#9 Postby AJC3 » Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:22 pm

eastcoastFL wrote:Is that long chain of convection embedded in the ITCZ all one wave or is it more than one? It looks like one long chain from about 34W all the way to Africa


It's the East Atlantic monsoon trough pattern - basically a very convectively active ITCZ with an embedded t-wave, sometimes two.
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Re: East Atlantic Tropical Wave

#10 Postby eastcoastFL » Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:27 pm

AJC3 wrote:
eastcoastFL wrote:Is that long chain of convection embedded in the ITCZ all one wave or is it more than one? It looks like one long chain from about 34W all the way to Africa


It's the East Atlantic monsoon trough pattern - basically a very convectively active ITCZ with an embedded t-wave, sometimes two.


Thanks for explaining. Makes sense with all of the activity in this one area
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Re: East Atlantic Tropical Wave

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Re: Central Atlantic Tropical Wave

#12 Postby AJC3 » Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:53 am

Tropical Weather Discussion
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL
613 AM EDT Fri Aug 14 2020

...TROPICAL WAVES...

An Atlantic Ocean tropical wave is along 40W from 20N southward, moving west around 10 knots. Scattered moderate convection has developed in association with this wave from 06N to 13N between 36W and 40W.
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Re: Central Atlantic Tropical Wave

#13 Postby floridasun78 » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:19 pm

look like that wave getting hit by dryair
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Re: Central Atlantic Tropical Wave

#14 Postby tailgater » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:16 pm

This might be one to watch as it nears the Leeward and Windward islands. It’s getting to be about that time.
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Re: Central Atlantic Tropical Wave

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Re: Central Atlantic Tropical Wave

#16 Postby aspen » Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:51 pm

12z CMC and ICON runs both develop this. While the ICON only shows a weak system in the SW Caribbean in 180 hours, the CMC is stronger and has this enter the Gulf as a moderate to strong TS.
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Re: Central Atlantic Tropical Wave

#17 Postby TheAustinMan » Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:19 pm

Summary
  • Where is it now: Tropical Atlantic, along 43W
  • Where will it be: Lesser Antilles by Tuesday the 18th, central Caribbean on Thursday the 20th, western Caribbean by Saturday the 22nd.
  • Model support: Minimal from the GEFS. A few weak members from EPS. Some support from GEFS-Parallel and GEPS members but location varies considerably. Keep an eye on the deterministic models, but the ensembles are probably more worth your time for general development chances given the uncertainties.
  • What to watch for: Environmental conditions over the Caribbean and the possibility that the currently muted wave may gain convection and vorticity as it moves into the Caribbean

It's currently devoid of convection and takes up an assuming presence in the wake of Tropical Storm Josephine, but it definitely has potential. Right now, the wave's associated moisture pouch is rather low in amplitude, with most of the moisture remaining south of 15N (by comparison, a more lucrative wave over Africa is pushing its moisture up to beyond 20N).

As we begin to move towards peak season, it's worth monitoring each tropical wave on their two-week treks across the Atlantic. If this particular tropical wave is able to generate some deep vorticity-generating convection on approach to the Lesser Antilles, then the wave can increase in amplitude and develop into a more stout presence in the eastern Caribbean. The GEM shows this sort of evolution, generating a pocket of vorticity in about a day's time that allows the wave to eventually crest as it moves across the Caribbean. Tropical cyclogenesis would be favored in that case (the GEM does have a TC after that point, but this is rather far out and the fine details shouldn't really be the focus at this range).

This is just one scenario; alternatively, if conditions are unsupportive of convection, then the wave may remain low in amplitude and fail to gain the requisite vorticity in the Caribbean to kickstart future development (i.e. the GFS). In either case, it appears that wave amplification on approach and through the Lesser Antilles seems to be the thing to watch for this wave if it is to develop in the Caribbean, though the lack of such amplification does not preclude possible development further west in the Bay of Campeche, western Gulf, or eastern Pacific.

The wave's trek across the Caribbean coincides with the approach of strong upper-level divergence moving into the western Atlantic. As has been discussed on the seasonal indicators thread, the mid- to long-range synoptic patterns favor westward tracks through the Caribbean and the possibility of northward curvatures in the Gulf as a result of enhanced ridging over the Bahamas/Greater Antilles region (the Sargasso Sea). This is noted on both the GEFS and GEFS-Para, for instance, which juxtapose westward extending ridging with a strong trough over the Eastern US. Setups like these favor pronounced poleward outflow jets (between the trough and ridge) and upper-level anticyclones to feed that poleward jet, so it is no surprise that some of the ensemble guidance shows a broad upper-level anticyclone spanning much of the Caribbean. If the tropical wave over the central Atlantic develops, it could make use of this environment within the Caribbean depending on its alignment with the anticyclone. We'll also need to watch for how moist the Caribbean gets over the next week. As for sea surface temperatures, well, I think this puts it rather succinctly.

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Re: Central Atlantic Tropical Wave

#18 Postby cycloneye » Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:49 pm

@TropicalTidbits
Behind Josephine, a tropical wave to the southeast may need to be watched as it approaches the Lesser Antilles on Monday.

Models do not currently show development, but it has some spin, and will be moving into a deepening moisture field with low shear in the Caribbean next week.n wrote:
Summary
  • Where is it now: Tropical Atlantic, along 43W
  • Where will it be: Lesser Antilles by Tuesday the 18th, central Caribbean on Thursday the 20th, western Caribbean by Saturday the 22nd.
  • Model support: Minimal from the GEFS. A few weak members from EPS. Some support from GEFS-Parallel and GEPS members but location varies considerably. Keep an eye on the deterministic models, but the ensembles are probably more worth your time for general development chances given the uncertainties.
  • What to watch for: Environmental conditions over the Caribbean and the possibility that the currently muted wave may gain convection and vorticity as it moves into the Caribbean

It's currently devoid of convection and takes up an assuming presence in the wake of Tropical Storm Josephine, but it definitely has potential. Right now, the wave's associated moisture pouch is rather low in amplitude, with most of the moisture remaining south of 15N (by comparison, a more lucrative wave over Africa is pushing its moisture up to beyond 20N).

As we begin to move towards peak season, it's worth monitoring each tropical wave on their two-week treks across the Atlantic. If this particular tropical wave is able to generate some deep vorticity-generating convection on approach to the Lesser Antilles, then the wave can increase in amplitude and develop into a more stout presence in the eastern Caribbean. The GEM shows this sort of evolution, generating a pocket of vorticity in about a day's time that allows the wave to eventually crest as it moves across the Caribbean. Tropical cyclogenesis would be favored in that case (the GEM does have a TC after that point, but this is rather far out and the fine details shouldn't really be the focus at this range).

This is just one scenario; alternatively, if conditions are unsupportive of convection, then the wave may remain low in amplitude and fail to gain the requisite vorticity in the Caribbean to kickstart future development (i.e. the GFS). In either case, it appears that wave amplification on approach and through the Lesser Antilles seems to be the thing to watch for this wave if it is to develop in the Caribbean, though the lack of such amplification does not preclude possible development further west in the Bay of Campeche, western Gulf, or eastern Pacific.

The wave's trek across the Caribbean coincides with the approach of strong upper-level divergence moving into the western Atlantic. As has been discussed on the seasonal indicators thread, the mid- to long-range synoptic patterns favor westward tracks through the Caribbean and the possibility of northward curvatures in the Gulf as a result of enhanced ridging over the Bahamas/Greater Antilles region (the Sargasso Sea). This is noted on both the GEFS and GEFS-Para, for instance, which juxtapose westward extending ridging with a strong trough over the Eastern US. Setups like these favor pronounced poleward outflow jets (between the trough and ridge) and upper-level anticyclones to feed that poleward jet, so it is no surprise that some of the ensemble guidance shows a broad upper-level anticyclone spanning much of the Caribbean. If the tropical wave over the central Atlantic develops, it could make use of this environment within the Caribbean depending on its alignment with the anticyclone. We'll also need to watch for how moist the Caribbean gets over the next week. As for sea surface temperatures, well, I think this puts it rather succinctly.

589KB. Composite of infrared satellite and total precipitable water (from RealEarth) and the NHC Tropical Surface Analysis
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I dont know if the peeps agree with me but this post from our friend TheAustinMan is the most complete one with many details about this wave and in general. This is what we promote, good discussions and not bickering that sometimes occur.
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Re: Tropical Wave Along the Coast of Africa

#19 Postby toad strangler » Sat Aug 15, 2020 3:02 pm

toad strangler wrote:WOW 19 North .... See ya! Have a good voyage into the N Atlantic :lol:


Well this post didn't age well. :oops:
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Re: Central Atlantic Tropical Wave

#20 Postby TheAustinMan » Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:09 pm

The 12z EPS guidance came in with a bit more support for some action from this wave in the western Caribbean compared to the 00z run I linked in my earlier post. As the central Atlantic wave moves towards the west, it might attempt to "adopt" an upper-level anticyclone currently centered just east of the Lesser Antilles. This is the same anticyclone that has offered Josephine some temporarily relief from the TUTT to its northwest, but this particular wave seems like it'll be better positioned to follow the anticyclone west into the Caribbean.

I mentioned earlier that one of the things that will need to be watched is whether convection develops to increase the vorticity—the rotation—of the wave. A convectively active wave also offers the benefit of generating latent heat when water vapor condenses, causing air to expand and diverge -- outflow, in other words. If a system with a lot of convection moves into an anticyclone, it can essentially "recenter" the anticyclone over itself by providing a focus for outflow. We saw the same phenomenon with Hanna, whose precursor generated convection that dragged a preexisting anticyclone in from the western Caribbean and recentered it over the Gulf, allowing a high-end Category 1 to materialize from what was once a system without much model support.

All in all, keep an eye out, and don't get too lost in the details especially at longer ranges. Ensemble guidance provides most of what you need to know in the broader, more steady picture, while the deterministic guidance allows you to tease out some of the finer, more unsteady dynamics. The sort of convection-enhancing process described earlier applies not only to this wave but any wave that initially appears harmless; a few well-timed and expansive bursts of convection can go a long way in increasing the prospects for development down the road, especially when the background state is favorable. Each puff adds a little bit more vorticity, a little bit more outflow, and each one of these incremental steps can improve conditions not only for the wave itself but for upcoming waves behind it.

I know these posts are a little lengthy for something that barely has any convection, and I want to stress that this is a low confidence situation and model support is generally low. It's not the kind of blockbuster wave that the models latch on immediately. However, it's a good teaching moment, especially as we head into the thick of a season that has a very high ceiling.

Taking a look at the 12z EPS again, we observe the possible beginnings of possible development from this wave in the western Caribbean. More important is the general support for development and the general shape of the tracks rather than what any one individual member does. I think the experimental EPS tropical depression probability is in the 40-50% range around the seven day window which I have below. However, as we often say, one run does not make a trend. Keep an eye on this one.

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