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Re: Expert forecasts for 2021 North Atlantic Hurricane Season: NOAA forecast up at 11 AM EDT

#101 Postby cycloneye » Thu May 20, 2021 10:15 am

toad strangler wrote:Thread title says 11:00 AM but NOAA website says 12:30 ET


Yes, that is right.
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Re: Expert forecasts for 2021 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

#102 Postby SFLcane » Thu May 20, 2021 11:39 am

NOAA: Another busy one as expected!

13 to 20 named storms, 6 to 10 hurricanes and 3 to 5 major hurricanes.
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Re: Expert forecasts for 2021 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

#103 Postby weeniepatrol » Thu May 20, 2021 11:48 am

yikes.
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Re: Expert forecasts for 2021 North Atlantic Hurricane Season: NOAA is up

#104 Postby kevin » Thu May 20, 2021 12:22 pm

Very similar to last year's forecast in terms of numbers. Last year they had 13-19/6-10/3-6. Only difference this time is that they have 3-5 for MH's and 13-20 instead of 13-19.
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Re: Expert forecasts for 2021 North Atlantic Hurricane Season: NOAA is up

#105 Postby kevin » Thu May 20, 2021 12:28 pm

For reference, here's an overview of all of NOAA's May forecasts since 2010. The only higher forecast in terms of number of named storms was 2010 so it seems NOAA is going all-in for a busy season. However, also note how the 2nd highest forecast (besides 2010 and 2021) was 2013, which eventually turned out to be a well below average season. So yes the forecasts are generally accurate and now seem to indicate an above average season, but as long as the storms haven't formed yet it remains a forecast.

Year / Named storms / Hurricanes / Major hurricanes
2010 / 14-23 / 8-14 / 3-7
2011 / 12-18 / 6-10 / 3-6
2012 / 9-15 / 4-8 / 1-3
2013 / 13-20 / 7-11 / 3-6
2014 / 8-13 / 3-6 / 1-2
2015 / 6-11 / 3-6 / 0-2
2016 / 10-16 / 4-8 / 1-4
2017 / 11-17 / 5-9 / 2-4
2018 / 10-16 / 5-9 / 1-4
2019 / 9-15 / 4-8 / 2-4
2020 / 13-19 / 6-10 / 3-6
2021 / 13-20 / 6-10 / 3-5
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Re: Expert forecasts for 2021 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

#106 Postby toad strangler » Wed May 26, 2021 8:45 pm

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Re: Expert forecasts for 2021 North Atlantic Hurricane Season: TSR up to 18/9/4

#107 Postby cycloneye » Thu May 27, 2021 7:45 pm

TSR is up and raise their numbers from 17/8/3 in April to the May one of 18/9/4.

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Re: Expert forecasts for 2021 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

#108 Postby Shell Mound » Fri May 28, 2021 2:41 am

Past TSR forecasts:
2010: 16 / 8 / 4 (actual: 19 / 12 / 5)
2011: 14 / 8 / 4 (actual: 19 / 7 / 4)
2012: 13 / 6 / 3 (actual: 19 / 10 / 2)
2013: 15 / 8 / 3 (actual: 14 / 2 / 0)
2014: 12 / 5 / 2 (actual: 8 / 6 / 2)
2015: 11 / 5 / 2 (actual: 11 / 4 / 2)
2016: 17 / 9 / 4 (actual: 15 / 7 / 4)
2017: 14 / 6 / 3 (actual: 17 / 10 / 6)
2018: 9 / 4 / 1 (actual: 15 / 8 / 2)
2019: 12 / 6 / 2 (actual: 18 / 6 / 3)
2020: 17 / 8 / 3 (actual: 30 / 14 / 7)
2021: 18 / 9 / 4 (actual: ? / ? / ?)

Since 2010, the TSR underestimated (M)H totals on eleven occasions and overestimated them on six others. This year’s forecast, besides 2016’s, is the only one since 2010 to call for at least nine hurricanes. Note that in the same timeframe TSR has never called for more than four MH. In addition to this year, TSR also called for four MH in 2010, 2011, and 2016.
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Re: Expert forecasts for 2021 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

#109 Postby jconsor » Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:39 am

Salient Predictions, which has achieved success in forecasts of temperatures and precipitations several months in advance, has developed a model for forecasting ACE based on a neural-network analysis of atmospheric and oceanic conditions. They are forecasting well above average ACE this year.

See https://www.salientpredictions.com/post ... e-forecast
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Re: Expert forecasts for 2021 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

#110 Postby tolakram » Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:55 am

jconsor wrote:Salient Predictions, which has achieved success in forecasts of temperatures and precipitations several months in advance, has developed a model for forecasting ACE based on a neural-network analysis of atmospheric and oceanic conditions. They are forecasting well above average ACE this year.

See https://www.salientpredictions.com/post ... e-forecast


Here's their ACE prediction and how it performed when backdating the algorithm to past years.

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Re: Expert forecasts for 2021 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

#111 Postby HurricaneEnzo » Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:24 am

tolakram wrote:
jconsor wrote:Salient Predictions, which has achieved success in forecasts of temperatures and precipitations several months in advance, has developed a model for forecasting ACE based on a neural-network analysis of atmospheric and oceanic conditions. They are forecasting well above average ACE this year.

See https://www.salientpredictions.com/post ... e-forecast


Here's there ACE prediction and how it performed when backdating the algorithm to past years.

https://i.imgur.com/U8EwwMN.png


Obviously not a huge sample size but looks to have done a pretty decent job. With the exception of 2012 looks like they were right in the ballpark.
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Re: Expert forecasts for 2021 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

#112 Postby Blown Away » Wed Jun 02, 2021 3:35 pm

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Re: Expert forecasts for 2021 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

#113 Postby cycloneye » Wed Jun 02, 2021 3:43 pm

Tomorrow is the release of the new Phil Klotzbach CSU forecast so stay tuned. He had 17/8/4 on the April one.

 https://twitter.com/philklotzbach/status/1400135787212120071


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Re: Expert forecasts for 2021 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

#114 Postby aspen » Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:04 pm

cycloneye wrote:Tomorrow is the release of the new Phil Klotzbach CSU forecast so stay tuned. He had 17/8/4 on the April one.

I wonder if CSU will keep their original numbers or even slightly lower them, if the models suggesting MDR suppression and a not-that-great SST pattern turn out to be true.
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Re: Expert forecasts for 2021 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

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Re: Expert forecasts for 2021 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

#116 Postby toad strangler » Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:17 am

CSU Klotzbach holds serve
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Re: Expert forecasts for 2021 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

#117 Postby Steve » Sat Jun 05, 2021 9:46 pm

Bastardi said Weatherbell’s new forecast would slightly lessen the above normal (red shade = 6x) from Brownsville to New Orleans which would still be above normal. But he was increasing the East Coast threat which was from Charleston to Outer Banks all the way up the seaboard. He said he feels like this is looking like a year that will have a lot of OTS and east coast threats.
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Re: Expert forecasts for 2021 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

#118 Postby Shell Mound » Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:51 pm

Steve wrote:Bastardi said Weatherbell’s new forecast would slightly lessen the above normal (red shade = 6x) from Brownsville to New Orleans which would still be above normal. But he was increasing the East Coast threat which was from Charleston to Outer Banks all the way up the seaboard. He said he feels like this is looking like a year that will have a lot of OTS and east coast threats.

Hasn’t he previously highlighted New England during a number of seasons? Putting the highest-risk zone in the Northeast often fails to verify.
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Re: Expert forecasts for 2021 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

#119 Postby Steve » Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:41 pm

Shell Mound wrote:
Steve wrote:Bastardi said Weatherbell’s new forecast would slightly lessen the above normal (red shade = 6x) from Brownsville to New Orleans which would still be above normal. But he was increasing the East Coast threat which was from Charleston to Outer Banks all the way up the seaboard. He said he feels like this is looking like a year that will have a lot of OTS and east coast threats.

Hasn’t he previously highlighted New England during a number of seasons? Putting the highest-risk zone in the Northeast often fails to verify.


Year after year :) . But he did mention 1954 - not so much as an analog but I think he said the benchmark. For 2021, he had it in yellow for the spring forecast. His paid clients probably have the new map, but they'll probably release it soon otherwise. Here is the original forecast (I know red = 6x normal, not 100% on yellow - 3x?).

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Re: Expert forecasts for 2021 North Atlantic Hurricane Season

#120 Postby cycloneye » Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:45 pm

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