2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#41 Postby AutoPenalti » Fri May 14, 2021 12:19 pm

cycloneye wrote:The strongest run yet by GFS.

https://i.imgur.com/8jzreBW.gif

Wow, and that's at 180hr...
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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#42 Postby HurricaneFrances04 » Fri May 14, 2021 12:57 pm

Interesting track for May. I'd normally think these early/pre-season Gulf storms just go northeast.
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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#43 Postby AnnularCane » Fri May 14, 2021 3:34 pm

So much for the "one and done model run" like I originally thought it would be. Guess this one has a little more staying power. Nevertheless, I am still skeptical.
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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#44 Postby Cpv17 » Fri May 14, 2021 4:14 pm

Does it even have any ensemble support?
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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#45 Postby DorkyMcDorkface » Fri May 14, 2021 4:37 pm

So far only the GFS has really given a noteworthy signal for possible gulf development next week. With that being said, however, the model has performed surprisingly well with predicting genesis so far this year - it latched on to Surigae, Andres and now Tauktae before the others. It's easy to dismiss it as a ghost storm but I'd say it's worth paying attention to, especially when you consider the overall synoptics appear to be supportive of such a development:

 https://twitter.com/cyclonicwx/status/1393249671603228673


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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#46 Postby TampaFl » Sat May 15, 2021 6:43 am

Mmmmm tropics waking up early again this year? We could really use the rain here in West Central FL.

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.DISCUSSION...
High pressure has settled in over much of the eastern half of the
United States. This has brought dry air over the area with only a
few showers possible in the interior parts of southwest Florida
today and tomorrow. As the high pressure pushes closer to us and
builds today we will notice an increase in winds late this
afternoon through the evening hours with some spots gusting up to
20 mph.

As we start off next week high pressure will stay in control with
humidity and afternoon shower chances increasing day to day. Eyes
will already start to turn to the tropics as we go into Friday and
next weekend. Both the Euro and and GFS is showing a weak trough
forming near Florida and heading into the Gulf. The GFS is more
bullish with the moisture and showers activity over Florida while
the EURO is showing a weaker quick moving and drier trough.
Hopefully we will get a clearer picture as we get a little closer
to Friday and next weekend.
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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#47 Postby chaser1 » Sat May 15, 2021 10:05 am

AutoPenalti wrote:
cycloneye wrote:The strongest run yet by GFS.

https://i.imgur.com/8jzreBW.gif

Wow, and that's at 180hr...


6Z GFS stronger run yet with a 1001 mb low drifting from Andros Island to Grand Bahama, and then drifting southwest toward Palm Beach before getting kicked out to the northeast. Details right now are irrelevant but the GFS is trying to sniff out something. Let's see if the 12Z and later runs this weekend offer continuity.
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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#48 Postby tolakram » Sat May 15, 2021 6:43 pm

Gone in the 18Z.
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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#49 Postby Iceresistance » Sat May 15, 2021 7:32 pm

tolakram wrote:Gone in the 18Z.


I do want to mention that it tries to spin up in the Caribbean & into the Bay of Campeche . . .

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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#50 Postby cycloneye » Sat May 15, 2021 8:20 pm

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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#51 Postby Iceresistance » Sat May 15, 2021 10:10 pm

cycloneye wrote:Embarrassment for this guy.

https://twitter.com/NWSMiami/status/1393660630389989380

What I would do is: "Th(is)e (GFS) model is saying this could happen in the next few days, this will change as the models start to get the better agreement on the situation . . . & don't use this model to make decisions!"

But there are situations where something can go crazy . . .
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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#52 Postby toad strangler » Sun May 16, 2021 1:36 pm

Operational GFS long range now has entered the start of the Atlantic Basin reg season. :flag:
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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#53 Postby JetFuel_SE » Mon May 17, 2021 11:56 am

toad strangler wrote:Operational GFS long range now has entered the start of the Atlantic Basin reg season. :flag:

Too bad it's now doing this.
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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#54 Postby TampaMike3 » Mon May 17, 2021 12:30 pm

The models the past few days have been hinting of a high level of precipitation around CA, likely due to the gyre in the region. I’ve been waiting for the long range models to start developing what I believed the past few days were hinting at and the 12z does just that.

I think this has a high chance of developing and should be something to watch for come the beginning of the hurricane season.
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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#55 Postby CyclonicFury » Mon May 17, 2021 2:57 pm

The GFS has a tendency to have W Caribbean genesis false alarms at this time of year. However, the pattern does look favorable for CAG development in early-mid June, so we'll see if anything starts to show up. The ECMWF tends to do better at forecasting CAG genesis than the GFS, though last year it missed quite a few storms.
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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#56 Postby aspen » Mon May 17, 2021 3:19 pm

JetFuel_SE wrote:
toad strangler wrote:Operational GFS long range now has entered the start of the Atlantic Basin reg season. :flag:

Too bad it's now doing this.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/736018608366551111/843893516794855505/gfs_z850_vort_atl_fh54-270.gif

The GFS has been showing the possibility of something in the mid northern Atlantic for several days now. This is the strongest run so far, with a peak of 991 mbar in 162 hr. The precursor to this appears as early as Thursday, so it’ll probably be something we’ll have to keep an eye on for possible pre-season development.

Today’s 12z run also shows a TS forming from a CAG at the end of the run, although it’s almost certainly just long-range model bias spawning a phantom, even though the potential for a CAG system in the first half of June is there as CyclonicFury said.
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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#57 Postby DorkyMcDorkface » Tue May 18, 2021 11:33 pm

This little (S)TS system spawned from a cutoff low has been appearing off-and-on from run-to-run on the GFS. I'd imagine the NHC probably wants more model support before labeling it, however.
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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#58 Postby DorkyMcDorkface » Wed May 19, 2021 12:33 am

DorkyMcDorkface wrote:This little (S)TS system spawned from a cutoff low has been appearing off-and-on from run-to-run on the GFS. I'd imagine the NHC probably wants more model support before labeling it, however.
https://i.ibb.co/tq5KCnD/50688481-f554-4ee6-884a-16398aec1860.gif

I spoke too soon :lol:
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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#59 Postby JW-_- » Thu May 20, 2021 10:15 pm

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Very L/R but yeah its sniffing.
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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#60 Postby BobHarlem » Wed May 26, 2021 9:33 am

GFS in around 12 days showing this in the gulf, it's the east pacific system crossing over after nearing Mexico. Nothing else showing this, but interesting none the less.

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