What happened to those weak, short-lived storms?

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What happened to those weak, short-lived storms?

#1 Postby WalterWhite » Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:19 pm

By "weak, short-lived storms", I mean any storm with a peak intensity under 50 knots that lasted for less than 48 hours.

In 2019, there were 5 of these storms: Andrea, Fernand, Imelda, Olga, and Rebekah.
In 2020, there were 4 of these storms: Bertha, Dolly, Kyle, and Alpha.
In 2021, there were 4 of these storms: Ana, Danny, Odette, and Teresa.
In 2022, there were 2 of these storms: Colin and Hermine.
In 2023, there has only been 1 of these storms: Emily.

There seems to have been a drop in the number of weak, short-lived storms from 2019-21 to now. Surely, storm detection has not become worse during that time period, and finding weak, short-lived storms is correlated with better storm detection. What gives?
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Re: What happened to those weak, short-lived storms?

#2 Postby Iceresistance » Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:51 pm

WalterWhite wrote:By "weak, short-lived storms", I mean any storm with a peak intensity under 50 knots that lasted for less than 48 hours.

In 2019, there were 5 of these storms: Andrea, Fernand, Imelda, Olga, and Rebekah.
In 2020, there were 4 of these storms: Bertha, Dolly, Kyle, and Alpha.
In 2021, there were 4 of these storms: Ana, Danny, Odette, and Teresa.
In 2022, there were 2 of these storms: Colin and Hermine.
In 2023, there has only been 1 of these storms: Emily.

There seems to have been a drop in the number of weak, short-lived storms from 2019-21 to now. Surely, storm detection has not become worse during that time period, and finding weak, short-lived storms is correlated with better storm detection. What gives?


Maybe the number of those kinds of storms has gone down because the number of storms that do form now have a higher frequency of developing into a stronger, more recognizable storm?
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Re: What happened to those weak, short-lived storms?

#3 Postby Teban54 » Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:56 pm

Possibly controversial opinion: I think the NHC has become a lot more conservative at TD and TS upgrades in 2022 and 2023. Several systems in these two years looked like TDs or TSes, yet they either weren't upgraded, or were only upgraded very late when there was so much convincing evidence that it was hard to argue otherwise.
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Re: What happened to those weak, short-lived storms?

#4 Postby Yellow Evan » Fri Sep 15, 2023 6:58 pm

We had a lot of these this year - they just happened to reach 50-55 knots instead.
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Re: What happened to those weak, short-lived storms?

#5 Postby aspen » Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:00 pm

Teban54 wrote:Possibly controversial opinion: I think the NHC has become a lot more conservative at TD and TS upgrades in 2022 and 2023. Several systems in these two years looked like TDs or TSes, yet they either weren't upgraded, or were only upgraded very late when there was so much convincing evidence that it was hard to argue otherwise.

I agree. Just look at STS-1, a borderline hurricane that wasn’t upgraded and was given a 20/20 chance of development at the most. There were like 3-4 systems last year that weren’t upgraded, but STS-1 was the most egregious case because it was a strong system heading towards land.
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Re: What happened to those weak, short-lived storms?

#6 Postby Sciencerocks » Fri Sep 15, 2023 8:15 pm

This year has seen a few of these but they weren't upgraded!
95L: 20-24th of July-would later become Dora in the eastern Pacific. I would have upgraded it to a depression or low end tropical storm. If I had a gun to my head I'd go 30 knts but some people could argue that it looked better then Arlene.
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A few days later 96L formed and become pretty convincing as a tropical cyclone! 29th of July to around the 2nd of August. I'd estimate peak intensity was 40 knots.
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Of course there's january's hurricane. I say hurricane because I am serious.
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I'd say this is probably below avg as last year easily had twice if not more times this number of systems not being upgraded.
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Re: What happened to those weak, short-lived storms?

#7 Postby Sciencerocks » Fri Sep 15, 2023 8:42 pm

90L that formed in May of 2022 was arguably a tropical storm at landfall in the gulf. I'd say it was a tropical storm.
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Location: 29.4N 87.5W
05/22/2022 2200 UTC
Winds: E (80°) at 45.1 kts
Atmospheric Pressure: 30.00 in
Air Temperature: 76.1 °F
Dew Point: 70.2 °F
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Our next system is 98L that formed in the middle of August 2022 and made landfall in Texas...Probably peaked around tropical storm strength as it was making landfall.
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92l -30 knots
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95L-Early Sept-40 knots.
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Satellite imagery indicates that the area of low pressure located
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a well-defined center, and earlier satellite wind data indicated
that the system is producing maximum sustained winds up to
40-45 mph to its north

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94L: Mid Oct. Probably peaked around 45 knots.
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97L-Early Nov: Peak near 50 knots.
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