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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#561 Postby USTropics » Wed Mar 27, 2024 12:30 pm

Teban54 wrote:Imagine the MDR SSTs if this ---NAO plays out...
https://twitter.com/AndyHazelton/status/1772747107906076732?s=19


This is the first time I've seen the GEFS regime forecast show nearly 100% for a particular regime (in this case, the Greenland High). This should definitely imply a strong -NAO through at least the first week of April. There are mixed signals thereafter, with a potential for a weak +NAO to develop during the 3rd week of April:

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#562 Postby ScottNAtlanta » Wed Mar 27, 2024 1:11 pm

It would not surprise me to see some very powerful hurricanes coming across the Caribbean in July like in 2005 the way this pattern is forecast to set up
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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#563 Postby cycloneye » Wed Mar 27, 2024 4:48 pm

The 2024 isotherm is more north than those yerars cited.

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#564 Postby weeniepatrol » Wed Mar 27, 2024 5:34 pm

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Gefs; check out the closed 540dam high
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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#565 Postby MetroMike » Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:35 pm

Where is the missing post from Cycloneye? 9:49pm
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#566 Postby cycloneye » Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:52 pm

MetroMike wrote:Where is the missing post from Cycloneye? 9:49pm


ECMWF NAO forecast.

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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#567 Postby Teban54 » Thu Mar 28, 2024 11:20 am

USTropics wrote:
Teban54 wrote:Imagine the MDR SSTs if this ---NAO plays out...
https://twitter.com/AndyHazelton/status/1772747107906076732?s=19


This is the first time I've seen the GEFS regime forecast show nearly 100% for a particular regime (in this case, the Greenland High). This should definitely imply a strong -NAO through at least the first week of April. There are mixed signals thereafter, with a potential for a weak +NAO to develop during the 3rd week of April:

https://i.imgur.com/W2QzNxw.png

A detailed analysis of why the Greenland High regime was missed in initial forecasts:
 https://twitter.com/SimonLeeWx/status/1773082717619396795


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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#568 Postby Hurricane2022 » Thu Mar 28, 2024 2:28 pm

It's getting really boring watching these silly cyclones from the Indian Ocean while we wait for the arrival of June for the start of the Atlantic hurricane season...
I wish we had some bomb cyclone at the end of the season, something similar to Cyclone Harold '20, or Donna '17 or Ilsa from last year, before the start of typhoon and hurricane season...
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#569 Postby cycloneye » Thu Mar 28, 2024 9:14 pm

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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#570 Postby cycloneye » Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:18 am

MDR keeps edging warmer.

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#571 Postby Blown Away » Fri Mar 29, 2024 7:21 pm

Is it safe to say the 2024 Atlantic Hurricane Season is the most anticipated season ever?? It surely is in my many decades of tracking hurricanes… 8-)
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#572 Postby AnnularCane » Fri Mar 29, 2024 7:26 pm

Blown Away wrote:Is it safe to say the 2024 Atlantic Hurricane Season is the most anticipated season ever?? It surely is in my many decades of tracking hurricanes… 8-)


Seems to be, along with maybe 2020. 8-) I don't recall 2005 being as anticipated. Was it?
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#573 Postby cycloneye » Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:03 pm

Blown Away wrote:Is it safe to say the 2024 Atlantic Hurricane Season is the most anticipated season ever?? It surely is in my many decades of tracking hurricanes… 8-)


When I made this thread on December 1, that is all you need to know about this upcomming season as by then, the expectations were beginning to grow fast for a blockbuster season. Also,began the 2024 S2K poll more early.
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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#574 Postby NotSparta » Fri Mar 29, 2024 9:11 pm

AnnularCane wrote:
Blown Away wrote:Is it safe to say the 2024 Atlantic Hurricane Season is the most anticipated season ever?? It surely is in my many decades of tracking hurricanes… 8-)


Seems to be, along with maybe 2020. 8-) I don't recall 2005 being as anticipated. Was it?


2024 is on another level. 2020 was anticipated fairly early but I don't think it was until after the new year, while people have been hyping up 2024 since the beginning of last season when the Atlantic got really warm
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#575 Postby Teban54 » Fri Mar 29, 2024 9:52 pm

NotSparta wrote:
AnnularCane wrote:
Blown Away wrote:Is it safe to say the 2024 Atlantic Hurricane Season is the most anticipated season ever?? It surely is in my many decades of tracking hurricanes… 8-)


Seems to be, along with maybe 2020. 8-) I don't recall 2005 being as anticipated. Was it?


2024 is on another level. 2020 was anticipated fairly early but I don't think it was until after the new year, while people have been hyping up 2024 since the beginning of last season when the Atlantic got really warm

People have already been talking about an active 2024 since July 2023:
 https://twitter.com/AndyHazelton/status/1685797383379259392



 https://twitter.com/dmorris9661/status/1693801691882066404



 https://twitter.com/AndyHazelton/status/1703862369451946080


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#576 Postby zzzh » Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:25 pm

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Stronger than normal trades in East Atlantic since mid Feb has cooled down the Canary Current from peak by nearly a degree. EPS and GEFS suggest the pattern is likely going to continue after this round of -NAO.
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#577 Postby USTropics » Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:40 pm

USTropics wrote:
Teban54 wrote:
TheAustinMan wrote:
Indeed, any correlation between sea surface temperatures in the earliest part of the year in the Western Atlantic or Eastern Pacific with Atlantic seasonal activity is very tenuous. The strongest correlations -- albeit still modest at best -- are over in the equatorial Atlantic. And while we're still quite far out from hurricane season, the strongest correlations between sea surface temperature anomalies and ACE in the Gulf of Mexico are actually not found in the Gulf of Mexico (which fluctuates rapidly as aforementioned), but in the tropical Atlantic. Once storms get going, SSTs and oceanic heat content where storms trek are important factors for storm intensity, but from a seasonal activity perspective, MDR SST anomalies are king as far as SST correlations are concerned, and that's true both at the current long-range and during the hurricane season itself.

Source: Me, using ERSSTv5 for sea surface temperatures and IBTrACS for ACE
https://i.imgur.com/gRIvyeG.png
https://i.imgur.com/4EoQ7Fi.png

Great analysis! Is there a reason or hypothesis why early-season SSTAs east of FL Panhandle has such strong negative correlation with GoM ACE? Is it as general as "warmer subtropics leads to stability", or is there something that affects the Gulf in particular?


Below are 4 composites of years where the GOM/NW Caribbean had negative SSTA in Jan-March (all of these years were active). There is a strong correlation to negative NAO in the months of October-December from the previous years:
https://i.imgur.com/wYqikRs.png

Looking at RAPID AMOC values for these years, there's also a correlation of a weaker AMOC (less transport of warm water to the North Atlantic, which is why we see warmth in the MDR but not the western Atlantic/GOM):
https://i.imgur.com/w7ibvPw.png


Just wanted to highlight again how quickly the SSTAs in the GOM and Caribbean can fluctuate and why they have 0 correlation in February/March to hurricane season activity:
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#578 Postby cycloneye » Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:10 am

The last twit says all.

The hot take here is that even if the MDR warms as slow as it's ever done in the last 40 years, we still get to the 2nd warmest ASO MDR temperature. Fingers crossed for lots of other synoptic things to disrupt the season...!


 https://twitter.com/catinsight/status/1774071692274360620




 https://twitter.com/catinsight/status/1774072193275531758




 https://twitter.com/catinsight/status/1774073027723977053


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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#579 Postby Teban54 » Sat Mar 30, 2024 10:50 am

cycloneye wrote:The last twit says all.

The hot take here is that even if the MDR warms as slow as it's ever done in the last 40 years, we still get to the 2nd warmest ASO MDR temperature. Fingers crossed for lots of other synoptic things to disrupt the season...!


https://twitter.com/catinsight/status/1774071692274360620

https://twitter.com/catinsight/status/1774072193275531758

https://twitter.com/catinsight/status/1774073027723977053

 https://twitter.com/TyBTime/status/1774086473936986302


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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#580 Postby zzzh » Sat Mar 30, 2024 12:23 pm

:uarrow: It is the subtropical east atlantic that's been cooling down, not the subtropical west atlantic. For amo horseshoe pattern you need east atlantic to warm up.
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