2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#461 Postby SFLcane » Wed Mar 06, 2024 9:15 am

wxman57 wrote:I've often said that you could boil the water in the tropics and that wouldn't necessarily generate more hurricanes. Water temperature can lead to stronger hurricanes, given a favorable environment, but it won't make more hurricanes. That said, warm water combined with developing El Nino and a predicted +NAO may mean that the Caribbean may finally open up to long-tracked hurricanes moving through. Watch out in PR, Luis. Significantly increased risk to the islands of the northern Caribbean, Bahamas, and Florida. Also an increased risk all along the Gulf Coast and SE U.S. Coast through Virginia.


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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#462 Postby cycloneye » Wed Mar 06, 2024 11:04 am

wxman57 wrote:I've often said that you could boil the water in the tropics and that wouldn't necessarily generate more hurricanes. Water temperature can lead to stronger hurricanes, given a favorable environment, but it won't make more hurricanes. That said, warm water combined with developing El Nino and a predicted +NAO may mean that the Caribbean may finally open up to long-tracked hurricanes moving through. Watch out in PR, Luis. Significantly increased risk to the islands of the northern Caribbean, Bahamas, and Florida. Also an increased risk all along the Gulf Coast and SE U.S. Coast through Virginia.


You meant "Developing La Niña" :D Yes, wxman57, here we know that the Caribbean will be a hot spot as pro mets here and the press are already talking about the upcomming season. Are you going to do forecasts more early this year for your NE Caribbean clients?

This was the headline from January 15 of one of the main newspapers in Puerto Rico.


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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models) NMME is up

#463 Postby cycloneye » Thu Mar 07, 2024 7:57 am

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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models) ECMWF up

#464 Postby DioBrando » Thu Mar 07, 2024 8:04 am

Hurricane2022 wrote:
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ScottNAtlanta wrote:I'd say a possibility of a pre July 1 major hurricane

Maybe a spring MH

This is something that should only happen around 2045 - 2050 but I wouldn't be very very surprised if a strong hurricane (90 mph+) were to occur in a early/mid May month after the next El Niño, if the Atlantic waters continued this hellish heating after this future event. :)

Do you think we'd get a July MH this year
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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models) NMME is up

#465 Postby cycloneye » Thu Mar 07, 2024 9:29 am

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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models) NMME is up

#466 Postby cycloneye » Thu Mar 07, 2024 9:38 am

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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models) NMME is up

#467 Postby cycloneye » Thu Mar 07, 2024 10:25 am

I think 1933 could be a good analog for the 2024 season that had plenty of caribbean, GOM,BOC and some east coast of U.S and Florida penninsula activity as well.

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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models) NMME is up

#468 Postby zzzh » Thu Mar 07, 2024 10:35 am

Today is the climatological minimum of MDR SST.
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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models) NMME is up

#469 Postby TheWisestofAll » Thu Mar 07, 2024 12:09 pm

5 of the models available in the NMME suite start flirting with Super Nina territory by October.
Of those, three of them flirt with such intensity in the 3-month seasonal.
This is indicated by the prominence of -3C anomalies forecast to encompass a large area around the equator in the Nino 3 and 3.4 regions.
I can't recall seeing such anomalies in the forecast before.
https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/NMME/current/tmpsfc_Lead7.html
https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/NMME/current/tmpsfc_Seas5.html
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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models) NMME is up

#470 Postby Teban54 » Thu Mar 07, 2024 2:28 pm

MDR SSTAs are rising again, and has now surpassed the earlier peak in mid-February before the +NAO as per OISST (but not Coral Reef Watch).
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#471 Postby cycloneye » Thu Mar 07, 2024 3:21 pm

I have never seen so much favorable conditions so early in March and the climate models have been very consistent.

 https://twitter.com/BenNollWeather/status/1765814856354345222




 https://twitter.com/BenNollWeather/status/1765814860515086353


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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models) NMME is up

#472 Postby cycloneye » Thu Mar 07, 2024 3:26 pm

Teban54 wrote:MDR SSTAs are rising again, and has now surpassed the earlier peak in mid-February before the +NAO as per OISST (but not Coral Reef Watch).
https://i.postimg.cc/sf5M6Nrv/ssta-graph-etropatl.png


-NAO will help.

 https://twitter.com/cyclonicwx/status/1765834905689170372


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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models) NMME is up

#473 Postby cycloneye » Thu Mar 07, 2024 4:20 pm

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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models) NMME is up

#474 Postby DorkyMcDorkface » Thu Mar 07, 2024 5:30 pm


Anomalous ascent over Africa/the IO and suppression in the Pacific, looks like a textbook Niña standing wave.
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#475 Postby cycloneye » Thu Mar 07, 2024 5:41 pm

DorkyMcDorkface wrote:

Anomalous ascent over Africa/the IO and suppression in the Pacific, looks like a textbook Niña standing wave.


Indeed.

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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models) NMME is up

#477 Postby Keldeo1997 » Thu Mar 07, 2024 8:30 pm

If WXman is saying watch out then you know this could bad :double: :double:
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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models) NMME is up

#479 Postby Teban54 » Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:04 am

DorkyMcDorkface wrote:

Anomalous ascent over Africa/the IO and suppression in the Pacific, looks like a textbook Niña standing wave.

 https://twitter.com/WxPatel/status/1765893141981212722


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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models) NMME is up

#480 Postby Steve » Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:32 am



Yeah, that's a bad look. Maybe we'll see a southern biased season early with any west-basin systems. Seems like Mexico and central America are gonna take at least a few hits from waves or whatever they might be. It's normal for impulses to move across those areas anyway and into the EPAC. But with the precipitation down there at in "+" range, maybe they'll get more than normal.

MJO took control of the USA's winter despite many of the indicators and indices that favor colder patterns. It's still early March, so it's probably going to get cold at least a couple more times. But since the last really cold outbreak, it's been mild. The phases MJO preferred to be in (4/5/6/7) are typically warmer phases in winter except for 4. None of those are particularly favorable for hurricane hits on the USA or activity in the western Atlantic like 8/1/2/3 (particularly Phases 2 and 3). So the evolution into spring and summer and how it behaves and interacts with the building La Nina and also to see if it will be strong enough to be predictive in 2024 will become important. Some years MJO is weaker and isn't the main influence on the tropical Atlantic. It's not been weak this winter at all. So should it remain one of the dominant controlling interests, it could be a year where moves into the Indian Ocean phases will telegraph western Atlantic activity.
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