2024 ENSO Updates: La Niña watch in effect

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Re: 2024 ENSO Updates: La Niña Watch in effect

#141 Postby cycloneye » Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:19 am

Moderate to strong La Niña says Maue.

 https://twitter.com/RyanMaue/status/1763598176055955831


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Re: 2024 ENSO Updates: La Niña Watch in effect

#142 Postby cycloneye » Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:52 pm

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Re: 2024 ENSO Updates: La Niña Watch in effect

#143 Postby cycloneye » Fri Mar 01, 2024 1:16 pm

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Re: 2024 ENSO Updates: La Niña Watch in effect

#144 Postby Kingarabian » Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:09 pm

CFS is very likely over blown which is usual at this time of year.

Models are also moving the signal pretty quickly from the IO back to the WPAC by mid March. So the transition may slow down.
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Re: 2024 ENSO Updates: La Niña Watch in effect

#145 Postby cycloneye » Sat Mar 02, 2024 5:24 am

Kingarabian wrote:CFS is very likely over blown which is usual at this time of year.

Models are also moving the signal pretty quickly from the IO back to the WPAC by mid March. So the transition may slow down.


In other words, the not so fast scenario like what the Aussies have applies with this?

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Re: 2024 ENSO Updates: La Niña Watch in effect

#146 Postby Blown Away » Sat Mar 02, 2024 11:17 am

Stronger Nina might put Central America/MX/BOC in the crosshairs…
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Re: 2024 ENSO Updates: La Niña Watch in effect

#147 Postby DorkyMcDorkface » Sat Mar 02, 2024 11:19 am

Kingarabian wrote:CFS is very likely over blown which is usual at this time of year.

Models are also moving the signal pretty quickly from the IO back to the WPAC by mid March. So the transition may slow down.

While the MJO will likely return to the Pacific by then, I'm noticing how the forecast on the Euro is starting to accelerate it more as it makes its way thru instead. This seems to me like a breakdown is starting to occur with the atmospheric Niño coupling. Harder to get sustained WWBs when this is the case, and even then nearly all of the warmth in the subsurface has been exhausted at this point so it'll take a lot to try and reinforce what is left.
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You can tell things are starting to change as the persistent westerlies that were present earlier this year when the event was at its strongest are starting to fizzle and are now forecast to give way to a spell of easterlies.
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I do agree that the CFS is very aggressive and it remains to be seen whether or not things will reverse so quickly.
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Re: 2024 ENSO Updates: La Niña Watch in effect

#148 Postby JetFuel_SE » Sat Mar 02, 2024 11:23 am

cycloneye wrote:
Kingarabian wrote:CFS is very likely over blown which is usual at this time of year.

Models are also moving the signal pretty quickly from the IO back to the WPAC by mid March. So the transition may slow down.


In other words, the not so fast scenario like what the Aussies have applies with this?

https://i.imgur.com/qtxopZf.jpeg

That model has a huge warm bias anyways, so idk.
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Re: 2024 ENSO Updates: La Niña Watch in effect

#149 Postby cycloneye » Sat Mar 02, 2024 11:44 am

Blown Away wrote:Stronger Nina might put Central America/MX/BOC in the crosshairs…


If this upcomming 2024 season is going to be very active or hyperactive season as the very early outlooks have been out from some experts have been saying, it may not be the best to have a very strong duper La Niña.
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Re: 2024 ENSO Updates: La Niña Watch in effect

#150 Postby Blown Away » Sat Mar 02, 2024 12:36 pm

cycloneye wrote:
Blown Away wrote:Stronger Nina might put Central America/MX/BOC in the crosshairs…


If this upcomming 2024 season is going to be very active or hyperactive season as the very early outlooks have been out from some experts have been saying, it may not be the best to have a very strong duper La Niña.


Yeah, 2024 might be another first, Super Nina with crazy high SST during active hurricane period = ???
Just like 2023 Nino predictions were hyper active, which many doubted, and predictions were right…

I’m thinking a slower transition and cool neutral to weak Nina come ASO which usually means lots of land impacts in the W Basin/GOM…
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Re: 2024 ENSO Updates: La Niña Watch in effect

#151 Postby USTropics » Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:22 pm

Clear to see the cool pool in the eastern Nino 3 region has surfaced from the 7-day trend. Actually had to adjust the contour interval from NOAA's product to fully capture the full extent of cooling in this region (image below is for 7-day trend, not actual anomalies):
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This should begin to erode the warmer anomalies to the west over the next few months as the CFS shows through May:
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Re: 2024 ENSO Updates: La Niña Watch in effect

#152 Postby weeniepatrol » Sat Mar 02, 2024 4:09 pm

Time for the imminent trade burst spreading east as mjo orbits from Indian into maritime continent to spread the surfacing thermocline west
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Re: 2024 ENSO Updates: La Niña Watch in effect

#153 Postby Deshaunrob17 » Sat Mar 02, 2024 7:05 pm

cycloneye wrote:
Blown Away wrote:Stronger Nina might put Central America/MX/BOC in the crosshairs…


If this upcomming 2024 season is going to be very active or hyperactive season as the very early outlooks have been out from some experts have been saying, it may not be the best to have a very strong duper La Niña.


I thought it was just me who remembers that the craziest Atlantic hurricane seasons happened during cold neutral and weak La Niña. Strong La Niña throw a curveball
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Re: 2024 ENSO Updates: La Niña Watch in effect

#154 Postby cycloneye » Sun Mar 03, 2024 2:18 pm

More upwelling is needed to do the real job of cooling.

 https://twitter.com/WxPatel/status/1764365052482580542


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Re: 2024 ENSO Updates: La Niña Watch in effect

#155 Postby cycloneye » Sun Mar 03, 2024 9:02 pm

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Re: 2024 ENSO Updates: La Niña Watch in effect

#156 Postby 869MB » Sun Mar 03, 2024 9:41 pm



That's so not cool at all
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Re: 2024 ENSO Updates: La Niña Watch in effect

#157 Postby cycloneye » Mon Mar 04, 2024 9:59 am

El Niño continues to weaken in the weekly CPC update.

https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/ ... ts-web.pdf

The latest weekly
SST departures are:
Niño 4 1.1ºC
Niño 3.4 1.3ºC
Niño 3 1.3ºC
Niño 1+2 0.9ºC


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Re: 2024 ENSO Updates: La Niña Watch in effect

#158 Postby DorkyMcDorkface » Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:33 am

869MB wrote:


That's so not cool at all

The index will show negative as long as the Japan-Aleutians belt remains warm, even if the actual horseshoe itself isn't so cool.
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Re: 2024 ENSO Updates: La Niña Watch in effect

#159 Postby Kingarabian » Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:34 pm

cycloneye wrote:More upwelling is needed to do the real job of cooling.

https://twitter.com/WxPatel/status/1764365052482580542

The true test is after this trade burst commences and how soon we get another one. La Nina/-ENSO is inevitable, but just how strong and when it takes place will have ramifications on the Atlantic hurricane season.
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Re: 2024 ENSO Updates: CPC weekly update= Niño 3.4 down to +1.3C / DJF ONI down to +1.8C

#160 Postby cycloneye » Mon Mar 04, 2024 9:17 pm

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