Looks like Ivan or his offspring is spinning east of Fla.

tw861 · #1 Postby **tw861** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 8:49 am

Check it out.

http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~gadomski/RAD_ ... mauto.html

Hmmm

Ivanova · #2 Postby **Ivanova** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 8:51 am

Has a hurricane ever reinvented itself before...
or could this be a first :eek:

#3 Postby **Stormcenter** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 8:55 am

tw861 wrote:Check it out.

http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~gadomski/RAD_ ... mauto.html

Hmmm

It's amazing that the "possibility" even exists that Ivan's remnants may reform in the GOM. I think the chances are 50/50.

#4 Postby **mascpa** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 8:56 am

Ivan reincarnated ???

MBryant · #5 Postby **MBryant** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 9:01 am

If the remnants of Ivan were to reform into a TS, would it retain the name Ivan or be given a new name?

tw861 · #6 Postby **tw861** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 9:06 am

Yes it is amazing, and this probably is at least a bit of Ivans energy but I would be surprise if the call it Ivan if it were to develop.

There is definitely a spin there, don't know if its mid level or at the surface but look at this loop.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/rgb-loop.html

You can see the spin just north of Grand Bahama and the yellowish clouds should be lower level. Also the pressure at Freeport is around 1008mb this morning so its probably aroung 1006 or 1007 north of there where the spin is.

I wonder if this gets a mention on the next TWO this morning.

#7 Postby **LAwxrgal** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 9:10 am

This is so wild...

then again this whole season has been wild

#8 Postby **BayouVenteux** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 9:16 am

MBryant wrote:If the remnants of Ivan were to reform into a TS, would it retain the name Ivan or be given a new name?

My guess is that due to the strong negative emotional impact among the public of renaming the system "Ivan"...in consideration of all those people in NW Florida and S Alabama and points north still trying to start recovering in earnest...it would probably get tagged "Matthew".

Josephine96 · #9 Postby **Josephine96** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 9:16 am

I was about to say the same thing.. They may name it Matthew instead

#10 Postby **LAwxrgal** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 9:19 am

^ Matthew -- Ivan's son?

tw861 · #11 Postby **tw861** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 9:23 am

BayouVenteux wrote:
MBryant wrote:If the remnants of Ivan were to reform into a TS, would it retain the name Ivan or be given a new name?
My guess is that due to the strong negative emotional impact among the public of renaming the system "Ivan"...in consideration of all those people in NW Florida and S Alabama and points north still trying to start recovering in earnest...it would probably get tagged "Matthew".

Yep, I agree with you Bayou. My biggest question is will they mention it on the next TWO or wait as long as possible in hopes that it will go away?

tw861 · #12 Postby **tw861** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 9:33 am

Guess there is a low level circulation:

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MELBOURNE FL
945 AM EDT MON SEP 20 2004

.DISCUSSION...
LOW LVL CIRCULATION OFF THE FL COAST E OF SUA COINCIDENT WITH A MID
LVL VORT IS PULLING MOIST MARINE AIRMASS ONSHORE. STRONGEST WNDS
CONTINUE OVER THE NRN SECTIONS IN GRADIENT BETWEEN LARGE SFC RIDGE
TO THE N AND ABV MENTIONED WAVE. PROX OF LOW LEVEL FEATURE ALONG
OUR SE COAST WILL CONTINUE TO FAVOR NRN AREAS FOR A STRONG ONSHORE
FLOW. BANDED PCPN WILL MOVE ONSHORE UNDER THE STRONG NE FLOW AND IS
SUPPORTED BY MID LVL DIFF VORT ADV.

From Jacksonville AFD:

...LOCALLY WINDY CONDITIONS EXPECTED THIS AFTERNOON...

.SHORT TERM...COMBINATION OF REMNANTS OF IVAN AND STRONG HIGH
PRESSURE OVER NEW ENGLAND GENERATING WINDS CONDITIONS ALONG THE
COAST THIS MORNING.

From Miami AFD:

IN THE SHORT TERM...TODAY THROUGH WED...AS VORT MAX CROSSES S FLA
TODAY...INVERTED TROUGH/LOW PRES DEVELOPS IN ATLC WATERS...CROSSES W
OVER S FLA TONIGHT...AND DEVELOPS IN GULF AS SYSTEM CONTINUES W.

From Key West:

ALSO QUITE EVIDENT IS THE REMNANT CIRCULATION/VORT MAX
ASSOCIATED WITH FORMER IVAN NOW MOVING BACK ACROSS CENTRAL FLORIDA.
OBSERVATIONS INDICATE A SURFACE CIRCULATION ABOUT 100 MILES EAST OF
VERO BEACH. KBYX DOPPLER RADAR IS DETECTING WIDESPREAD SHOWERS AND
ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS OVER EAST-CENTRAL FLORIDA INTO THE ATLANTIC

tw861 · #13 Postby **tw861** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 11:13 am

Well It did get a mention..

Hmmmm

#14 Postby **Houstonia** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 11:17 am

Tropical Weather Outlook

Statement as of 11:30 am EDT on September 20, 2004

For the North Atlantic...Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico...
The National Hurricane Center is issuing advisories on Tropical
Storm Jeanne...located about 345 miles east of great abaco island
in the Bahamas...on Hurricane Karl...located about 1010 miles
east-northeast of the Lesser Antilles...and on Tropical Storm
Lisa...located about 810 miles west of the Cape Verde Islands.
A weak low pressure area...a partial remnant of former Tropical
Depression Ivan...is located about 70 miles east-northeast of West
Palm Beach Florida. This system is producing scattered showers and
a few thunderstorms over the southern Florida Peninsula...the
northwestern Bahamas...and adjacent Atlantic waters. Upper-level
winds are currently unfavorable for any significant development to
occur...but conditions may become more favorable in the next couple
of days as the system moves west-southwestward into the southern
Gulf of Mexico.
A large area of disturbed weather located several hundred miles
southwest of the Cape Verde Islands is associated with a
westward-moving tropical wave. This system continues to become
better organized...and conditions appear favorable for additional
development to occur over the next day or two.
Elsewhere...tropical storm formation is not expected through
Tuesday.
Public advisories on Tropical Storm Lisa are issued under
wmo header wtnt33 knhc and under AWIPS header miatcpat3.
Forecast/advisories on Tropical Storm Lisa are issued
under wmo header wtnt23 knhc and under AWIPS header miatcmat3.
Forecaster Stewart
$$

#15 Postby **pojo** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 11:23 am

The Hurricane Hunters will be busy!

James · #16 Postby **James** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 11:26 am

LAwxrgal wrote:^ Matthew -- Ivan's son?

Most likely. Remember in 1998 when the remnants of Tropical Storm Hermine became Hurricane Karl? This is probably the same thing.

ChaserUK · #17 Postby **ChaserUK** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 11:32 am

crikey a Hurricane Matthew - that would have been something to go after, especially as its my first name!

Sanibel · #18 Postby **Sanibel** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 11:41 am

Overcast here. You can see the blue sky line out west over the Gulf. Later today the dirunal energy should cook up some thunderstorms from this plasma...

Volusia Mike · #19 Postby **Volusia Mike** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 1:07 pm

We are feeling the effects of the "Son of Ivan" in Ormond Beach today. Gusty winds and rain bands.

You can check the current conditions at my office via this link:

http://home.earthlink.net/~csk/ftp:/csk ... ge_Pro.htm

Michael

cswitwer · #20 Postby **cswitwer** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 2:13 pm

I really like that, "pressure falling slowly". Usually you just get "pressure falling".

Nice site!

Looks like Ivan or his offspring is spinning east of Fla.

Looks like Ivan or his offspring is spinning east of Fla.

Re: Looks like Ivan or his offspring is spinning east of Fla

TWO 11:30 a.m.

Son of Ivan along East Central Florida

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