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Re: ENSO Updates

#6821 Postby tolakram » Wed Dec 30, 2015 4:31 pm

BBC is running it too, source NOAA. Interesting since all signs point to a slow decline post peaking, but maybe they are looking at something we aren't? The article also focuses on longer term effects which generally show up post peak (from what I read into it).
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#6822 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed Dec 30, 2015 4:42 pm

It's worth noting that the C/WPAC is still quite warm so that may or may not help keep this El Nino rolling a bit. One of the main reasons why this El Nino stayed weak/kept on going after last winter was the warmth in the WPAC.
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Re: ENSO Updates

#6823 Postby Dean_175 » Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:00 pm

Another big WWB coming:

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Re: ENSO Updates

#6824 Postby Dean_175 » Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:03 pm

tolakram wrote:BBC is running it too, source NOAA. Interesting since all signs point to a slow decline post peaking, but maybe they are looking at something we aren't? The article also focuses on longer term effects which generally show up post peak (from what I read into it).



Yeah I agree. Model consensus and climatology seem to support weakening. I'm not sure what they are talking about- unless they are referring to some of the effects of El Nino (which may come later) or the ONI (which may peak NDJ).
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Re: ENSO Updates

#6825 Postby Ntxw » Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:11 pm

Dean_175 wrote:Another big WWB coming:


At this stage of the Nino (climo weakening) would a WWB cause an OKW? Or is it something reactionary at the surface?
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#6826 Postby Ntxw » Sun Jan 03, 2016 8:25 pm

These are totals...not anomalies. Just crazy, did 2009-2010 have this kind of WWB going into January?

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#6827 Postby 1900hurricane » Mon Jan 04, 2016 9:41 am

The westerly wind burst has been kicking up quite a bit of convection near the Dateline. It looks like the wind burst is being propped up by Madden-Julian, and most progs don't have it progressing much in the near future.

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Re: ENSO Updates

#6828 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jan 04, 2016 9:46 am

CPC first update of 2016 of 1/4/16 has Nino 3.4 remaining at +2.7C and is the same as last week's update so no downward trend yet.

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/a ... ts-web.pdf
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#6829 Postby Dean_175 » Mon Jan 04, 2016 3:19 pm

Relative to 1981-2010 climo, ERSSTv4 has December at 2.38, which is the same as November's 2.37C. ESOI was at -3.2 for December, which is the most negative December value on record, and the second most negative overall, behind -3.5 in January 1983.


ONI for OND was 2.25C - which is essentially the same as 1997.
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#6830 Postby Ntxw » Mon Jan 04, 2016 4:44 pm

ERRSTv3 is a whopping 2.5C...
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Re: ENSO Updates

#6831 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jan 11, 2016 9:44 am

CPC update of 1/11/16 has Nino 3.4 down to +2.6C.

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/a ... ts-web.pdf
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Re: ENSO:CPC 1/11/16 update: Nino 3.4 down to +2.6C

#6832 Postby Kingarabian » Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:21 pm

Still holding strong so far.
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#6833 Postby cycloneye » Tue Jan 12, 2016 3:24 pm

Very impressive WWB caused by Pali.

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#6834 Postby Ntxw » Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:02 pm

What a rare and unusual event with Hurricane Pali. It's about to move into the El Nino territory. 0 to 5N latitude. Very close to the border between Nino 4 and Nino 3.4. Perhaps we'll see some micro cooling of the waters below? Very cool

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#6835 Postby Kingarabian » Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:10 pm

cycloneye wrote:Very impressive WWB caused by Pali.



How is it looking for neutral ENSO this summer?
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Re: ENSO Updates: PDO down to +0.86C

#6836 Postby cycloneye » Wed Jan 13, 2016 12:34 pm

PDO is down from +1.47C in October to the November data at 0.86C.

http://research.jisao.washington.edu/pdo/PDO.latest
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Re: ENSO Updates: PDO down to +1.01C

#6837 Postby Ntxw » Wed Jan 13, 2016 1:59 pm

PDO went up to 1.01 for December
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Re: ENSO Updates: PDO down to +1.01C

#6838 Postby cycloneye » Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:13 pm

Ntxw wrote:PDO went up to 1.01 for December


What does this mean for El Nino prospects down the road that it went up again after going down?
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Re: ENSO Updates: PDO down to +1.01C

#6839 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:22 pm

cycloneye wrote:
Ntxw wrote:PDO went up to 1.01 for December


What does this mean for El Nino prospects down the road that it went up again after going down?


Recent years show that PDO generally warms some at this time of the year.
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Re: ENSO Updates: PDO down to +1.01C

#6840 Postby Ntxw » Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:24 pm

cycloneye wrote:
Ntxw wrote:PDO went up to 1.01 for December


What does this mean for El Nino prospects down the road that it went up again after going down?


We'll need to wait for a couple more readings. If it remains positive then the decline of the Nino will continue to be slow like 1983 rather than quick turnaround to Nina. ENSO neutral would then be favored for Hurricane season most likely.
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