AFWA no longer doing sat fixes on tropical cyclones

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AFWA no longer doing sat fixes on tropical cyclones

#1 Postby senorpepr » Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:30 pm

I've seen this pop up a few times, and it's been mentioned in the chatroom, so I'll post this here.

For those in the past that enjoyed viewing AFWA's satellite fixes for tropical cyclones... enjoy this:

http://www.ofcm.gov/homepage/text/spc_proj/ihc/action-items.pdf
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Due to recent personnel and funding cuts, the Air Force Weather Agency (AFWA) can no longer dedicate the resources needed to sustain tropical cyclone satellite imagery surveillance and analysis support to the National Hurricane Operations Plan. This cessation of support requires changes in the NHOP to reflect the AFWA termination but continuance of support on request, resources permitting, by the 17th Operational Weather Squadron Meteorological Satellite Operations (SATOPS) Flight (17 OWS/WXJ), Joint Typhoon Warning Center, Pearl Harbor, HI to the Central Pacific Hurricane Center.
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#2 Postby artist » Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:42 pm

can you explain exactly how this will affect us? Thanks for sharing with us.
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#3 Postby WindRunner » Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:42 pm

For the most part, it's just one less set of Dvorak numbers to look at for a system . . .
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#4 Postby Chacor » Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:47 pm

The TCFA criteria includes a point regarding Dvorak fixes from KGWC, which might be a problem.
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Re: AFWA no longer doing sat fixes on tropical cyclones

#5 Postby senorpepr » Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:57 pm

Yup, instead of three opinions on the strength (based on satellite) of tropical cyclones, we'll get just two.
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#6 Postby artist » Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:04 pm

this is getting ridiculous in my opinion. The cuts are just going against the wrong things in my opinion.
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Re: AFWA no longer doing sat fixes on tropical cyclones

#7 Postby brunota2003 » Sat Aug 04, 2007 4:09 pm

Great...So now, wont that make sat estimates less reliable?
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#8 Postby WindRunner » Sat Aug 04, 2007 4:30 pm

Not less reliable, just fewer in number. TAFB and SAB will still be putting them out as usual . . .

It's basically that we're left with two opinions on the storm's position/intensity instead of three.
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#9 Postby Chacor » Sat Aug 04, 2007 7:11 pm

Although KGWC's fixes were useful for the WPac and IO storms...
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#10 Postby Derek Ortt » Sat Aug 04, 2007 7:52 pm

when will we realise that hurricanes are NOT a science concern, but instead a national security concern. Cutting back on operational hurricane tracking during a multidecadal active cycle (and possibly a 1500 year active cycle if the LSU research is correct) makes as much sense as does cutting the size of the military when your country is being invaded
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Re: AFWA no longer doing sat fixes on tropical cyclones

#11 Postby Cyclenall » Sat Aug 04, 2007 8:26 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:when will we realise that hurricanes are NOT a science concern, but instead a national security concern. Cutting back on operational hurricane tracking during a multidecadal active cycle (and possibly a 1500 year active cycle if the LSU research is correct) makes as much sense as does cutting the size of the military when your country is being invaded

That is correct. I'm growing tired of reading these things about cutting back on "programs" that are even a little bit important, yes it does matter. I don't think National Security has much to do with this though, do you mean something similar?
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Re: AFWA no longer doing sat fixes on tropical cyclones

#12 Postby Aslkahuna » Sun Aug 05, 2007 4:33 am

National Security means more than just protecting against attack it also means protecting this Country and the population from major disasters which can be as detrimental economically societally and politically as an attack. Unfortunately, funding processes and the reasons for the funding shortfall at AFWA are very political in nature so I can't comment on them here.

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#13 Postby Derek Ortt » Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:38 am

cyclenall,

as steve said, NS has far more to do than Al Queda. A hurricane can absoluetely cripple our country, possibly more efficiently than an Al Queda attack can.

A major in NYC is going to be many times more destructive and deadly than 9/11. With this as the case, we need to treat it with the proper importance
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Re: AFWA no longer doing sat fixes on tropical cyclones

#14 Postby Cyclenall » Sun Aug 05, 2007 6:57 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:cyclenall,

as steve said, NS has far more to do than Al Queda. A hurricane can absoluetely cripple our country, possibly more efficiently than an Al Queda attack can.

A major in NYC is going to be many times more destructive and deadly than 9/11. With this as the case, we need to treat it with the proper importance

I figured that's what you meant by that but I never knew it was called NS.
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