Mediterranean Sea: 01M NONAME

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#101 Postby TheEuropean » Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:16 pm

I can't agree to Dr. Masters, this low is tropical for me and it is a storm. Not the absolute water temperature is important, we have to look at the temperature difference between the water and cold air in higher levels. Why is this not the same as in Epsilon, Vince etc.?

Edit to add this from the NHC discussion about "Sean":
"SINCE THE STORM IS EMBEDDED WITHIN COLDER-THAN-AVERAGE UPPER-AIR
TEMPERATURES...THE SST THRESHOLD FOR TROPICAL CYCLONE STRENGTHENING
IS LOWER THAN USUAL"

That is exact what I mean above.
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#102 Postby Crostorm » Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:56 pm

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#103 Postby bg1 » Tue Nov 08, 2011 5:18 pm

A drawn "Best Track", inaccurate in spots but good enough, I think, with current position (blue for subtropical depression, yellow for tropical storm):
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#104 Postby Crostorm » Tue Nov 08, 2011 5:19 pm

The tail of 01M is on adriatic coast

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#105 Postby Crostorm » Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:08 pm

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#106 Postby DanieleItalyRm » Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:12 pm

TheEuropean wrote:I can't agree to Dr. Masters, this low is tropical for me and it is a storm. Why is this not the same as in Epsilon, Vince etc.?


No one would have doubted if this was over the Atlantic ocean.
The Same Epsilone, Vince, Grace, Karl.. it is evident.. formed from tropical transition,
extratropical cyclone ---> Subtropical cyclone ---> Tropical cyclone
same latitude, same sea surface, same dynamical formation.. only a different sea..
They do not know, ignore or do not accept.
This and many other system are only simply Mediterranean Tropical Cyclone..

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#107 Postby Hurricanehink » Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:33 pm

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Here is the track map from Wikipedia.
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#108 Postby CrazyC83 » Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:46 pm

Based on those reports with a buoy/ship I believe reporting around 51 kt (10-min?), I would say the intensity is 55 kt. I have a hard time going higher given the pressure and Dvorak numbers.
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#109 Postby HenkL » Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:12 pm

Only looking at the temperature difference between the water and temperature at high levels, a lot of polar lows could be named as 'tropical storms'.
The impact of stormy winds are the same, being a tropical storm, a subtropical storm, an extratropical storm, a polar low. It is not unusual for some extratropical storms to reach even hurricane force winds.
I think it's time to have some new definitions.
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#110 Postby Crostorm » Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:33 am

TXMM21 KNES 090627
TCSMED

A. 01M (NONAME)

B. 09/0600Z

C. 42.7N

D. 6.1E

E. THREE/MET-9

F. T1.0/2.0/W2.0/12HRS

G. IR/EIR/SWIR

H. REMARKS...NO CONVECTION ASSOCIATED WITH 01M. DT AND PT = 1.0.
FT IS BASED ON RAPID WEAKENING.

NIL


...KIBLER
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#111 Postby DanieleItalyRm » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:37 am

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#112 Postby DanieleItalyRm » Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:35 am

Similar to october 2007 system in the same location:
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#113 Postby Crostorm » Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:43 am

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#114 Postby Chacor » Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:40 am

Now TOO WEAK from SAB.
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#115 Postby DanieleItalyRm » Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:48 am

The Tropical depression 01M ( ex tropical storm 01M) make a landfall:

http://www.sat24.com/en/fr

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#116 Postby CrazyC83 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:05 am

How strong were the winds at stations in the area? It almost certainly weakened from its peak intensity, which I am guessing was at 1800Z yesterday and maybe into 0000Z (55 kt).
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#117 Postby DanieleItalyRm » Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:45 pm

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Interesting vorticity thunderstorm over Thyrrenian sea:

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This is All track:
http://www.cronacalive.it/ciclone-medit ... z1dGS6aOJn

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