WPAC: Typhoon Saomai (0608)

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#221 Postby Cyclenall » Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:46 am

P.K. wrote:It was downgraded to a TD last night. This is what the CMA have to say about it at the moment, 13m/s winds.

Why is the NRL site wrong often when it comes to WPAC tropical cyclones? It's slow to update the strength of storms. BTW, it looks better right now as a TD then when it was at 65 Knots inland.
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#222 Postby P.K. » Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:01 am

It doesn't have the official intensities on it thats why. Was the last JTWC advisory set at 65kts? That would explain it.
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#223 Postby Cyclenall » Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:15 am

P.K. wrote:It doesn't have the official intensities on it thats why. Was the last JTWC advisory set at 65kts? That would explain it.

Ok, now that that issue is cleared up, what's going on with the convection? Just look at the system now.
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#224 Postby P.K. » Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:08 am

As expected the death toll has sadly gone up. That convection, well looking at the nearest sounding I can find to the position in the CMA MetArea bulletin it shows 2,900J/kg of CAPE. LLS (0-1km) was about 5m/s with DLS (0-6km) around 17.5m/s. That is enough deep level shear to allow some strong thunderstorms. (See http://www.estofex.org/guide/3_2_1.html)

Chinese typhoon toll passes 250

Typhoon Saomai, the most powerful storm to hit China in 50 years, killed at least 255 people as it tore through the country's south-east, state media said.

Another 160 people are still missing in the three provinces of Fujian, Zhejiang and Jiangxi, Xinhua news agency said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4788841.stm
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#225 Postby HurricaneBill » Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:21 pm

Damage has reached US$1.5 billion.
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#226 Postby P.K. » Tue Aug 15, 2006 1:13 pm

Typhoon's toll rises to 295
2006-08-16

THE death toll from typhoon Saomai had risen to 295 in China by late Monday evening and is still likely to mount as another 94 people remain missing in Fuding, the worst hit city in China's southeast coastal province of Fujian.

The Fuding government said 178 people were confirmed dead by Monday night and 155 bodies had been retrieved. "On Monday alone, 59 bodies were discovered in seawater off Shacheng Harbor," said Cai Meisen, vice mayor of Fuding.

http://www.shanghaidaily.com/art/2006/08/16/289218/Typhoon__039_s_toll_rises_to_295.htm
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#227 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Tue Aug 15, 2006 1:18 pm

Wow I knew this was going ot go up...How many billion dollar storms have there been?

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#228 Postby HurricaneBill » Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:13 pm

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:Wow I knew this was going ot go up...How many billion dollar storms have there been?


According to various sources, I've made a list of "billion dollar typhoons".

NOTE: These are based on U.S. dollars and at face value (meaning unadjusted for inflation).

However, I cannot guarantee these are accurate. The ones I'm not sure of, I'll mark with an asterisk. *

1959: Super Typhoon Vera $2 billion*

1974: Typhoon Gilda $1.5 billion

1984: Typhoon Ike $1 billion*

1990: Typhoon Abe $1.431 billion*

1991: Super Typhoon Mireille at least $3 billion (I've heard as high as $10 billion, but that might have been after adjusting)

1994: Super Typhoon Fred $1.6 billion

1996: Super Typhoon Herb $5.837 billion

1996: Super Typhoon Sally $1.5 billion

1997: Super Typhoon Winnie $4.139 billion

1998: Typhoon Vicki $3 billion*

1999: Super Typhoon Bart $5 billion

2000: Typhoon Prapiroon $6.01 billion*

2001: Typhoon Utor $2.98 billion*

2002: Typhoon Rusa $6 billion

2003: Super Typhoon Maemi $5.5 billion

2004: Typhoon Rananim $2.2 billion

2004: Super Typhoon Chaba $2 billion

2004: Super Typhoon Songda $6 billion

2004: Typhoon Tokage $2.3 billion

2005: Typhoon Talim $1.9 billion

2005: Typhoon Khanun $1.75 billion

2005: Typhoon Damrey $1.5 billion

2006: Super Typhoon Chanchu $1.2 billion

2006: Tropical Storm Bilis $3.328 billion

2006: Super Typhoon Saomai $1.5 billion
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#229 Postby HurricaneBill » Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:15 pm

As you can see from my list above, the costliest typhoons are usually the ones that strike China, Korea, or Japan.

I should also point out that the majority of these storms were Category 1-2 at landfall.
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#230 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:30 pm

So China or Japan have never been hit with a typhoon that makes more then 6.1 billion? So this means that Atlantic storms are the coastiest right? Also could Saomai price go up???
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#231 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:31 pm

Wow A tropical storm Billis did 3 billion plus? Even Bart or Weenie which where super typhoons only did 6 billion.
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#232 Postby P.K. » Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:53 pm

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:Wow A tropical storm Billis did 3 billion plus?


Severe Tropical Storm Bilis was 55kts at landfall earlier in the year.
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#233 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:55 pm

I know that but how did it do as much damage as a super typhoon?
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#234 Postby cheezyWXguy » Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:59 pm

it did more than saomi which was a cat4 at landfall?
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#235 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Tue Aug 15, 2006 6:02 pm

Saomi looked better then Katrina or Rita at landfall...Still had a intact eyewall with deep convection around the eyewall reforming(Red on the IR) as it is about ready to make landfall. Thats a upper cat3 or lower cat4. I say 115 knots.
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#236 Postby Cyclenall » Tue Aug 15, 2006 6:04 pm

The death toll so far is no where near the death toll of Tropical Depression Winnie of 2004. That tropical cyclone killed 1,400 people as a TD. That is unreal that such a weak system can kill many more people then a Category 4 typhoon making landfall.
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#237 Postby wxmann_91 » Tue Aug 15, 2006 6:05 pm

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:I know that but how did it do as much damage as a super typhoon?


Bilis caused catastrophic flooding in some portions of China and Taiwan. You could also ask how did TS Allison do more damage than Hurricane Dennis? :wink:
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#238 Postby P.K. » Tue Aug 15, 2006 6:06 pm

Well it depends on where it hits of course and how big it is. The BBC report for STS Bilis quotes "Thousands of homes have been swept away, and large areas of farmland have been destroyed."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/5185314.stm

The death toll was higher than for Saomai at over 500. It did also pass over Taiwan before reaching China
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/5205488.stm

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#239 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Tue Aug 15, 2006 6:07 pm

Alison sat in one spot for days in droped 20 to 40 inches of rain. Causing flooding...Which caused the damage. Billis likely did so to.
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#240 Postby Normandy » Tue Aug 15, 2006 6:09 pm

^No not quite.

It made landfall.
Went into central Texas.
Meandered back over Houston, and then moved offshore.

Alisson did her damage for all of 8 hours at my house...dropping 35 inches. Just being nitpicky.
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