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#21 Postby cycloneye » Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:43 pm

fact789 wrote:why is there an intermidiate advisory?


Fact,as soon there are watches or warnings posted in any area,then there are advisories at 3 hours intervals.In this case there is a TS warning for the Cape Verde Islands and that is why of the 3 hour intervals advisories.But as soon the warning is taken off,then the 6 hours interval advisories will resume.
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#22 Postby CrazyC83 » Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:59 pm

Yep. If an eye is clearly visible on radar, then advisories are every 2 hours with hourly position estimates.
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#23 Postby cycloneye » Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:00 pm

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TROPICAL DEPRESSION FOUR INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY NUMBER 1A
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL042006
800 PM AST MON AUG 21 2006

...TROPICAL DEPRESSION MOVING A LITTLE FASTER TOWARD THE WEST OVER
THE FAR EASTERN ATLANTIC OCEAN...

A TROPICAL STORM WARNING IS IN EFFECT FOR THE CAPE VERDE ISLANDS. A
TROPICAL STORM WARNING MEANS THAT TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS ARE
EXPECTED WITHIN THE WARNING AREA WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS.

FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA...INCLUDING POSSIBLE
INLAND WATCHES AND WARNINGS...PLEASE MONITOR PRODUCTS ISSUED
BY YOUR LOCAL WEATHER OFFICE.

AT 800 PM AST...0000Z...THE CENTER OF TROPICAL DEPRESSION FOUR HAD
REFORMED FURTHER SOUTH NEAR LATITUDE 12.0 NORTH...LONGITUDE 22.6
WEST OR ABOUT 210 MILES...335 KM...SOUTH-SOUTHEAST OF THE
SOUTHERNMOST CAPE VERDE ISLANDS.

THE DEPRESSION IS MOVING TOWARD THE WEST NEAR 15 MPH. A GRADUAL
TURN TOWARD THE WEST-NORTHWEST IS EXPECTED OVER THE NEXT 24 HOURS.
ON THE FORECAST TRACK...THE DEPRESSION WILL PASSING JUST TO THE
SOUTHWEST OF THE SOUTHERNMOST CAPE VERDE ISLANDS DURING THE DAY
TOMORROW. HOWEVER...OUTER RAIN BANDS AND SQUALLS WILL GRADUALLY
MOVE ACROSS THE SOUTHERNMOST CAPE VERDE ISLANDS BEGINNING TUESDAY
MORNING.

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 35 MPH...55 KM/HR...WITH HIGHER
GUSTS. THE DEPRESSION IS FORECAST TO BECOME A TROPICAL STORM DURING
THE NEXT 24 HOURS.

THE ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE IS 1007 MB...29.74 INCHES.

RAINFALL AMOUNTS OF 3 TO 6 INCHES...WITH ISOLATED MAXIMUM AMOUNTS OF
10 INCHES IN AREAS OF HIGHER TERRAIN...ARE POSSIBLE OVER THE CAPE
VERDE ISLANDS IN ASSOCIATION WITH THE DEPRESSION. THESE RAINS
COULD CAUSE LIFE-THREATENING FLASH FLOODS AND MUD SLIDES.

REPEATING THE 800 PM AST POSITION...12.0 N...22.6 W. MOVEMENT
TOWARD...WEST NEAR 15 MPH. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...35 MPH.
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1007 MB.

THE NEXT ADVISORY WILL BE ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER
AT 1100 PM AST.

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#24 Postby JonathanBelles » Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:00 pm

ok i was not aware of the warnings.
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#25 Postby cycloneye » Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:04 pm

fact789 wrote:ok i was not aware of the warnings.


No Problem my friend. :)
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#26 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:06 pm

Looks like west-southwestward -.5 south/1.6 west.
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#27 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:09 pm

2.1 degrees for one degree 60 miles? 2X60=120 miles+6 miles 126 miles over the last 3 hours. WOW!

21 mph?
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#28 Postby cycloneye » Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:10 pm

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:2.1 degrees for one degree 60 miles? 2X60=120 miles+6 miles 126 miles over the last 3 hours. WOW!

21 mph?


Advisory says 15 mph.
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#29 Postby SouthFloridawx » Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:10 pm

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:2.1 degrees for one degree 60 miles? 2X60=120 miles+6 miles 126 miles over the last 3 hours. WOW!

21 mph?


This early in the game it seemed as though the circulation had become more prominant and movement towards the west was more evident but, as far as 21mph no. The exact pinpoint of the center on the first advisory was more of a crap shoot...

Now the system is a little more organized and LLC is more evident on Sat imagry.
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#30 Postby skufful » Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:11 pm

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:2.1 degrees for one degree 60 miles? 2X60=120 miles+6 miles 126 miles over the last 3 hours. WOW!

21 mph?


Actually 126 divided by three is 43
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#31 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:12 pm

I know that... In its 42 mph.

3/126=42 mph
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#32 Postby gatorcane » Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:12 pm

west still, perhaps the models need to be shifted left .....as they are taking it NW very soon.
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#33 Postby senorpepr » Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:13 pm

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:2.1 degrees for one degree 60 miles? 2X60=120 miles+6 miles 126 miles over the last 3 hours. WOW!

21 mph?


It's not quite that easy since you are dealing with a sphearical surface.

You have to use some trigonometry. The distance between the 5pm and 8pm advisories is 82 miles. Of course, the center of circulation on both advisories are just an estimate.
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#34 Postby skufful » Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:23 pm

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:I know that... In its 42 mph.

3/126=42 mph


Yeah, tried to edit, but keep getting knocked off site.
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#35 Postby SouthFloridawx » Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:24 pm

gatorcane wrote:west still, perhaps the models need to be shifted left .....as they are taking it NW very soon.


The 00Z models will shift left but, not the 18Z. This will stay in the low level flow before becoming imbedded in the midlevel flow.
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#36 Postby gatorcane » Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:26 pm

SouthFloridawx wrote:
gatorcane wrote:west still, perhaps the models need to be shifted left .....as they are taking it NW very soon.


The 00Z models will shift left but, not the 18Z. This will stay in the low level flow before becoming imbedded in the midlevel flow.


its very caught up in the low-level flow and should it begin to weaken then it will stay in that flow....lets see if the African Dust can start to work anything on it....
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#37 Postby cycloneye » Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:29 pm

TROPICAL DEPRESSION FOUR DISCUSSION NUMBER 2
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL042006
1100 PM EDT MON AUG 21 2006

TROPICAL DEPRESSION FOUR REMAINS A LARGE AND WELL-ORGANIZED
SYSTEM...DESPITE A DECREASE IN THE INNER CORE CONVECTION. A
21/1914Z QUIKSCAT OVERPASS INDICATED THE DEPRESSION HAD A SURFACE
WIND FIELD ENVELOPE AT LEAST 500 NMI IN DIAMETER...WITH NUMEROUS
25-30 KT UNCONTAMINATED WIND VECTORS LOCATED IN THE DRY SLOTS.
BASED ON THIS INFORMATION...AND THE LACK OF INNER CORE CONVECTION
...THE INITIAL INTENSITY IS BEING MAINTAINED AT 30 KT.

THE INITIAL MOTION ESTIMATE IS 285/13...BASED ON A 10-HOUR AVERAGE
MOTION USING PASSIVE AND QUIKSCAT MICROWAVE SATELLITE DATA. THE
AFOREMENTIONED QUIKSCAT OVERPASS INDICATED THE CENTER OF TD-4 WAS
SOUTH OF 12N LATITUDE AT THAT TIME...PROBABLY DUE TO REFORMATION OF
THE BROAD LOW-LEVEL CENTER CLOSER TO THE BAND OF DEEP CONVECTION IN
THE SOUTHERN SEMICIRCLE. THE GLOBAL MODELS...AS WELL AS THE GFDL
AND THE BAM MODELS...REMAIN TIGHTLY CLUSTERED AND IN EXCELLENT
AGREEMENT ON AN IMMEDIATE NORTHWESTWARD MOTION. UNFORTUNATELY...
THE MODELS HAVE ALSO BEEN EXCELLENTLY WRONG THUS FAR. TD-4 IS
CURRENTLY AT LEAST 60 NMI SOUTHWEST OF THE 18Z GFS FORECAST
POSITION FOR 22/00Z...AND THE OTHER MODELS ARE SIMILARLY TOO FAR TO
THE NORTHEAST OF THE CURRENT POSITION. AS A RESULT...I AM NOT TOO
ENTHRALLED WITH THE MODEL SOLUTIONS...AND WE MAY SEE THE CYCLONE
TURN OUT TO BE MORE OF A WEST-RUNNER THAN A RECURVER THROUGH THE
STRONG SUBTROPICAL RIDGE LOCATED TO THE NORTH. WATER VAPOR IMAGERY
AS WELL AS WATER VAPOR-DERIVED WINDS AND UPPER-AIR DATA FROM THE
CAPE VERDE ISLANDS SUGGEST THAT THE MID-LEVEL EASTERLY FLOW ON THE
SOUTH SIDE OF THE RIDGE IS STRONGER THAN THE MODELS HAVE BEEN
FORECASTING...AND THE RIDGE TO THE NORTH ALSO APPEARS TO BE
BUILDING WESTWARD. THE FORECAST TRACK WAS SHIFTED TO THE WEST OF
THE PREVIOUS ADVISORY...BUT NOT AS FAR WEST AS THE CLIPER MODEL AND
STATISTICAL-DYNAMICAL MODELS OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE SKILL OF THE
GLOBAL MODELS. HOWEVER...IF TD-4 DOES NOT MAKE IT AS FAR NORTH AS
20N LATITUDE WITHIN 4 DAYS...THEN THE CYCLONE WILL LIKELY MISS THE
WEAKNESS IN THE RIDGE THAT ALL THE MODELS FORECAST TO DEVELOP.

THE INTENSITY FORECAST WAS LOWERED SLIGHTLY IN THE FIRST 48 HOURS
DUE TO THE LACK OF INNER-CORE CONVECTION AND WEAK TO MODERATE
UPPER-LEVEL NORTHEASTERLY SHEAR FORECAST TO UNDERCUT THE OTHERWISE
IMPRESSIVE AND EXPANDING OUTFLOW PATTERN. AFTER THAT...GRADUAL
STRENGTHENING IS EXPECTED AS THE SHEAR DECREASES TO 5-10 KT AND THE
CYCLONE IS FORECAST TO BE OVER WARMER WATERS.

DUE TO THE LARGE WIND FIELD DEPICTED IN THE EARLIER QUIKSCAT
OVERPASS...12-FT SEA HEIGHT RADII WERE ADDED TO THE FORECAST.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INITIAL 22/0300Z 12.2N 23.2W 30 KT
12HR VT 22/1200Z 12.9N 25.1W 35 KT
24HR VT 23/0000Z 14.1N 27.7W 40 KT
36HR VT 23/1200Z 15.9N 30.6W 45 KT
48HR VT 24/0000Z 17.5N 33.4W 50 KT
72HR VT 25/0000Z 20.5N 38.4W 60 KT
96HR VT 26/0000Z 24.0N 44.5W 65 KT
120HR VT 27/0000Z 27.0N 51.0W 65 KT
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#38 Postby ROCK » Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:32 pm

4 days and does not get above 20N this may very well be a serious threat....
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#39 Postby HurricaneHunter914 » Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:34 pm

I am not happy with this track. This will mean most of the bad SAL will not affect the system.
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#40 Postby tgenius » Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:38 pm

As I mentioned on chat.. I find it most interesting that Stewart is not liking the models consensus....
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