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Re: EPAC: LANE - Hurricane

#261 Postby Yellow Evan » Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:14 am

TXPZ25 KNES 181314
TCSENP

A. 14E (LANE)

B. 18/1200Z

C. 12.1N

D. 137.4W

E. ONE/GOES-W

F. T6.5/6.5/D2.0/24HRS

G. IR/EIR/SWIR

H. REMARKS...SYSTEM CHARACTERIZED BY A WMG EYE SURROUNDED BY W AND
EMBEDDED IN B FOR A DT=6.5 AFTER ADDING 1.0 FOR AN EYE ADJUSTMENT. MET=6.0
PT=6.5. FT IS BASED ON DT.

I. ADDL POSITIONS

NIL


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No SAB this isn't WMG.
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Re: EPAC: LANE - Hurricane

#262 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:41 am

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Re: EPAC: LANE - Hurricane

#263 Postby cycloneye » Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:52 am

Hurricane Lane Discussion Number 15
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL EP142018
800 AM PDT Sat Aug 18 2018

Lane's inner-core convective organization has continued to improve
with satellite intensity estimates vacillating between T6.0/115 kt
and T6.5/127 kt during the past 6 hours. The 15-nmi-diameter eye
remains quiet distinct and is embedded within a solid ring of cloud
tops colder than -70 deg C. An average of the various intensity
estimates from TAFB, SAB, and UW-CIMSS ADT and SATCON support
increasing the intensity to 120 kt.

The initial motion estimate is 285/13 kt. There has been little
change in the models over the past couple of days, and the latest
NHC guidance, especially the consensus track models, required no
significant changes to the previous advisory track. The large
expansive subtropical ridge to the north of the hurricane is
forecast to remain intact and gradually build westward to the north
of the Hawaiian Islands throughout the 120-h forecast period. As a
result, Lane is expected to move west-northwestward for the next 48
hours or so, and then turn westward by day 3, maintaining that
motion on days 4 and 5. The official forecast track lies close to a
blend of the HCCA, TVCE, and FSSE consensus models. On the forecast
track, Hurricane Lane is expected to move into the Central Pacific
basin in about 9 hours at around 0000 UTC.

Although Lane will be remaining over 27.0-27.5 deg C SSTs during
the forecast period, increasing westerly to northwesterly vertical
wind shear to around 15 kt, along with a slightly drier mid-level
environment, is expected to induce slow but steady weakening by 24
hours. Although Lane could strengthen a little more before the
prolonged weakening begins, the general intensity trend should be
downward. However, the rate of weakening is held a little above the
intensity guidance owing to the warmer SSTs indicated by raw data
than what the SHIPS model guidance is using.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 18/1500Z 12.3N 138.2W 120 KT 140 MPH
12H 19/0000Z 12.8N 140.0W 120 KT 140 MPH
24H 19/1200Z 13.4N 142.3W 115 KT 130 MPH
36H 20/0000Z 13.8N 144.3W 110 KT 125 MPH
48H 20/1200Z 14.1N 146.3W 105 KT 120 MPH
72H 21/1200Z 14.5N 150.1W 95 KT 110 MPH
96H 22/1200Z 14.9N 153.5W 80 KT 90 MPH
120H 23/1200Z 15.8N 157.0W 65 KT 75 MPH

$$
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Re: EPAC: LANE - Hurricane

#264 Postby Yellow Evan » Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:54 am

Why has the NHC kept the pressure at 948 mbar despite raising the intensity?
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Re: EPAC: LANE - Hurricane

#265 Postby ncapps » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:10 am

The NHc sounds prett confident in the synoptic setup for the long range. I guess there not giving much thought to the GFS?
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Re: EPAC: LANE - Hurricane

#266 Postby Ntxw » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:50 am

Epac gives us another gorgeous view. Should get full panel visible soon

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Re: EPAC: LANE - Hurricane

#267 Postby Siker » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:29 am

Latest UKMET shifts south:

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Re: EPAC: LANE - Hurricane

#268 Postby ncapps » Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:32 pm

HMON is really far south. Not even a rain threat to Hawaii potentially.

HWRF keeps it strong, but tracks just due west, very south as well.
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Re: EPAC: LANE - Hurricane

#269 Postby 1900hurricane » Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:18 pm

Yellow Evan wrote:Why has the NHC kept the pressure at 948 mbar despite raising the intensity?

Looks like it's basically a KZC pressure estimate. I get 950 mb and 949 mb when I run my two versions of KZC on the b deck.
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Re: EPAC: LANE - Hurricane

#270 Postby NDG » Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:22 pm

I don’t understand why so many have been dismissing the Euro’s forecast track when it did fairly good with Hector while the GFS was north biased at times.
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Re: EPAC: LANE - Hurricane

#271 Postby ncapps » Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:25 pm

NDG wrote:I don’t understand why so many have been dismissing the Euro’s forecast track when it did fairly good with Hector while the GFS was north biased at times.


I don't think the NHC is dismissing it. Their track is mostly based on the Euro, no real mention of the north track in the latest discussion.
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Re: EPAC: LANE - Hurricane

#272 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:29 pm

12z Euro is more north and stronger through hour 120.
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Re: EPAC: LANE - Hurricane

#273 Postby ncapps » Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:30 pm

Kingarabian wrote:12z Euro is more north and stronger through hour 120.


Stronger, and a little more north, but not much to see here and pretty similar to the HMON/HWRF.

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Re: EPAC: LANE - Hurricane

#274 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:37 pm

NDG wrote:I don’t understand why so many have been dismissing the Euro’s forecast track when it did fairly good with Hector while the GFS was north biased at times.


Because it continues to initialize Lane as a 997mb TS and keeps it as a TS through 60 hours.
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Re: EPAC: LANE - Hurricane

#275 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:38 pm

ncapps wrote:
Kingarabian wrote:12z Euro is more north and stronger through hour 120.


Stronger, and a little more north, but not much to see here and pretty similar to the HMON/HWRF.

[img]https://www.weathernerds.org/models/v3.0/ecmwf/sessions/ecmwf_2018-08-18-12Z_144_26.667_192.74_11.615_207.383_MSLP_Surface.png[mg]


By going with yesterdays trends, it will probably mean that there will be more EPS shifts.
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Re: EPAC: LANE - Hurricane

#276 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:51 pm

Kingarabian wrote:
ncapps wrote:
Kingarabian wrote:12z Euro is more north and stronger through hour 120.


Stronger, and a little more north, but not much to see here and pretty similar to the HMON/HWRF.

[img]https://www.weathernerds.org/models/v3.0/ecmwf/sessions/ecmwf_2018-08-18-12Z_144_26.667_192.74_11.615_207.383_MSLP_Surface.png[mg]


By going with yesterdays trends, it will probably mean that there will be more EPS shifts.


Pretty good EPS run, as none of the members take it close to Hawaii. Any recurves are well west of Kauai. I'm still wary on the fact that ECMWF package continues to have a wrong information input and that their solutions are possibly skewered due to a Category 4 hurricane being modeled out as a tropical storm for 60 hours.

While 12z GFS did have an Kauai landfall, it came in more west and south vs the 06z/00z GFS runs. Hopefully this trend continues and it shifts away from Hawaii.
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Re: EPAC: LANE - Hurricane

#277 Postby ncapps » Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:09 pm

Kingarabian wrote:
Kingarabian wrote:
ncapps wrote:
Stronger, and a little more north, but not much to see here and pretty similar to the HMON/HWRF.

[img]https://www.weathernerds.org/models/v3.0/ecmwf/sessions/ecmwf_2018-08-18-12Z_144_26.667_192.74_11.615_207.383_MSLP_Surface.png[mg]


By going with yesterdays trends, it will probably mean that there will be more EPS shifts.


Pretty good EPS run, as none of the members take it close to Hawaii. Any recurves are well west of Kauai. I'm still wary on the fact that ECMWF package continues to have a wrong information input and that their solutions are possibly skewered due to a Category 4 hurricane being modeled out as a tropical storm for 60 hours.

While 12z GFS did have an Kauai landfall, it came in more west and south vs the 06z/00z GFS runs. Hopefully this trend continues and it shifts away from Hawaii.



The GFS ensembles after Day 5 are comical. Hopefully its gets a handle on things tomorrow. Euro meanwhile has not really flinched.

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Re: EPAC: LANE - Hurricane

#278 Postby NDG » Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:18 pm

Kingarabian wrote:
NDG wrote:I don’t understand why so many have been dismissing the Euro’s forecast track when it did fairly good with Hector while the GFS was north biased at times.


Because it continues to initialize Lane as a 997mb TS and keeps it as a TS through 60 hours.


When ridging is strong to the north and there's a deep easterly flow from the low levels to the mid levels it does not matter much how strong the storm is. IMO.
In the past I have seen many people dismiss the forecast track of a model because it does not initiate the correct strength of a storm but it ends up being correct.
The difference in this matter between the two models is that the GFS forecasts Lane to move slower and forecasts the mid level ridge to weaken at the 5 day range while the Euro does the opposite.
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Re: EPAC: LANE - Hurricane

#279 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:32 pm

NDG wrote:
Kingarabian wrote:
NDG wrote:I don’t understand why so many have been dismissing the Euro’s forecast track when it did fairly good with Hector while the GFS was north biased at times.


Because it continues to initialize Lane as a 997mb TS and keeps it as a TS through 60 hours.


When ridging is strong to the north and there's a deep easterly flow from the low levels to the mid levels it does not matter much how strong the storm is. IMO.
In the past I have seen many people dismiss the forecast track of a model because it does not initiate the correct strength of a storm but it ends up being correct.
The difference in this matter between the two models is that the GFS forecasts Lane to move slower and forecasts the mid level ridge to weaken at the 5 day range while the Euro does the opposite.


I understand that the Euro does not always initialize the storm correct and that usually does not affect its track solution, but it's not just initializing the storm wrong. It's also keeping the storm weak for an extended period of time (up to 60 hours) and then starts to strengthen to it later. The UKMET is handling Lane's intensity much better, and also keeps a stronger Lane than the Euro and thus shows considerably more poleward motion.
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Re: EPAC: LANE - Hurricane

#280 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:36 pm

TXPZ25 KNES 181825
TCSENP

A. 14E (LANE)

B. 18/1800Z

C. 12.5N

D. 138.9W

E. ONE/GOES-W

F. T6.0/6.5/D1.0/24HRS

G. IR/EIR/VIS

H. REMARKS...SYSTEM CHARACTERIZED BY A WMG EYE SURROUNDED BY B AND
EMBEDDED IN LG FOR A DT 6.0 AFTER ADDING 1.0 FOR AN EYE ADJUSTMENT. MET
AND PT ARE 6.0. FT IS BASED ON DT.

I. ADDL POSITIONS

NIL


...FISHER
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