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Re: ATL: SAM - Hurricane - Discussion

#661 Postby Subtrop » Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:01 am

AL, 18, 2021092512, , BEST, 0, 128N, 472W, 105, 965, HU, 34, NEQ, 50, 40, 30, 50, 1013, 120, 15, 0, 0, L, 0, , 0, 0, SAM, D, 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0, genesis-num, 038,
AL, 18, 2021092512, , BEST, 0, 128N, 472W, 105, 965, HU, 50, NEQ, 30, 25, 15, 25, 1013, 120, 15, 0, 0, L, 0, , 0, 0, SAM, D, 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0, genesis-num, 038,
AL, 18, 2021092512, , BEST, 0, 128N, 472W, 105, 965, HU, 64, NEQ, 15, 15, 10, 15, 1013, 120, 15, 0, 0, L, 0, , 0, 0, SAM, D, 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0, genesis-num, 038,
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Re: ATL: SAM - Hurricane - Discussion

#662 Postby Zonacane » Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:03 am

Major hurricane number 4
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Re: ATL: SAM - Hurricane - Discussion

#663 Postby tolakram » Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:04 am

When you see the eye get obscured and cloud tops raising up it's sometimes the start of an intensification phase. Could be an ERC starting as well, we'll have to see.

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Re: ATL: SAM - Hurricane - Discussion

#664 Postby cycloneye » Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:11 am

cycloneye wrote:Has it taken a temporary west jog?


I said the above at 5:04 AM and it continued with the west jog that now best track position is 12.8N, the same as the 5 AM advisory.
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Re: ATL: SAM - Hurricane - Discussion

#665 Postby zal0phus » Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:15 am

I wonder if they’re going to completely miss Sam’s obvious peak intensity from earlier this morning and not upgrade it to a major.
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Re: ATL: SAM - Hurricane - Discussion

#666 Postby AlphaToOmega » Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:15 am

zal0phus wrote:I wonder if they’re going to completely miss Sam’s obvious peak intensity from earlier this morning and not upgrade it to a major.

Sam has already been upgraded.
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Re: ATL: SAM - Hurricane - Discussion

#667 Postby dexterlabio » Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:19 am

It looks tilted or stretched from NW to SE?
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Re: ATL: SAM - Hurricane - Discussion

#668 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:20 am

I don't think we're seeing an EWRC. More likely some mid-level shear is creeping in.
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Re: ATL: SAM - Hurricane - Discussion

#669 Postby aspen » Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:20 am

This has likely weakened since the 5am advisory and was probably a stronger major then, but at least it got upgraded. That’s 19/7/4 by September 25th, between 2020’s and 2005’s paces in terms of NS/H and ahead of 2020 in terms of majors — and we still have a Nina-enhanced October ahead of us.
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Re: ATL: SAM - Hurricane - Discussion

#670 Postby Blinhart » Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:24 am

Iceresistance wrote:Upper-Level Steering is favoring due west into the Caribbean, especially the Triangle Ridge at 700-850 MB

200-700 MB
https://s9.gifyu.com/images/wg8dlm670a9a5d5bd581368.gif

700-850 MB
https://s9.gifyu.com/images/wg8dlm14bf2cbdaa02bdfd3.gif


Been looking like that for me the whole time, so was wondering what the models have been seeing for the past week.
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Re: ATL: SAM - Hurricane - Discussion

#671 Postby Blinhart » Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:25 am

tolakram wrote:When you see the eye get obscured and cloud tops raising up it's sometimes the start of an intensification phase. Could be an ERC starting as well, we'll have to see.

https://i.imgur.com/xXH4Bht.png



looks like he is actually trying to expand his size right now, getting the outflow on all sides, just need the SW side to fill out, then we will see him start his RI again.
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Re: ATL: SAM - Hurricane - Discussion

#672 Postby kevin » Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:26 am

Yes Sam has weakened for now, but note how most models and guidance don't show Sam peaking until roughly Monday. In fact none of the models even forecast this phase of ERI (at least not to this extent) that probably brought Sam to ~120 kt a few hours ago. So while Sam has taken a breather for now, I don't think we've seen it at peak intensity yet, especially if it can catch that anti-cyclone.
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Re: ATL: SAM - Hurricane - Discussion

#673 Postby Iceresistance » Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:28 am

The Anticyclone is to the West of Sam, if he can just catch up to it & latch on . . .

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I've also noticed that the slight SW Shear is being caused by the Anticyclone
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Re: ATL: SAM - Hurricane - Discussion

#674 Postby Teban54 » Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:31 am

How the hell did Sam suddenly wrap a full W ring during what appears to be a weakening or EWRC phase?
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Re: ATL: SAM - Hurricane - Discussion

#675 Postby Iceresistance » Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:33 am

:uarrow:

The SW Shear is not strong enough to limit Sam from achieving the full W Ring, the Conditions are also very favorable for something like this to occur . . .
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Re: ATL: SAM - Hurricane - Discussion

#676 Postby Iceresistance » Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:39 am

Consistent Lightning has been detected in the NW Eyewall . . .
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Re: ATL: SAM - Hurricane - Discussion

#677 Postby Blinhart » Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:51 am

Iceresistance wrote:Consistent Lightning has been detected in the NW Eyewall . . .


So he could still be strengthening, or going through a small EW expansion.
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Re: ATL: SAM - Hurricane - Discussion

#678 Postby Owasso » Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:55 am

UW - CIMSS
ADVANCED DVORAK TECHNIQUE
ADT-Version 9.0
Tropical Cyclone Intensity Algorithm

----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 25 SEP 2021 Time : 132020 UTC
Lat : 12:55:12 N Lon : 47:23:23 W


CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
6.0 / 952.8mb/115.0kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
5.3 4.9 4.9

Estimated radius of max. wind based on IR : 9 km

Center Temp : -27.0C Cloud Region Temp : -57.2C

Scene Type : EYE

Subtropical Adjustment : OFF

Extratropical Adjustment : OFF

Positioning Method : ARCHER POSITIONING

Ocean Basin : ATLANTIC
Dvorak CI > MSLP Conversion Used : CKZ Method

Tno/CI Rules : Constraint Limits : NO LIMIT
Weakening Flag : ON
Rapid Dissipation Flag : FLAG

C/K/Z MSLP Estimate Inputs :
- Average 34 knot radii : 42nmi
- Environmental MSLP : 1013mb

Satellite Name : GOES16
Satellite Viewing Angle : 35.4 degrees
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Re: ATL: SAM - Hurricane - Discussion

#679 Postby NDG » Sat Sep 25, 2021 9:11 am

Iceresistance wrote:The Anticyclone is to the West of Sam, if he can just catch up to it & latch on . . .

https://s9.gifyu.com/images/wg8shr3d6a60d52450ec36.gif

I've also noticed that the slight SW Shear is being caused by the Anticyclone


I don't know why a shear map is used by some of you to locate an Anticylone, the best method to use a map of UL winds.
The anticyclone closest to Sam is actually just to the east of it with another one north of the Leeward Islands. The GFS shows Sam catching up to that one in 72 hrs.

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Re: ATL: SAM - Hurricane - Discussion

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