ATL: HARVEY - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#621 Postby Digital-TC-Chaser » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:32 pm

Hammy wrote:
SoupBone wrote:
Hammy wrote:Good chance we see the last advisory at 11 unless something drastic changes in organization. Don't see regeneration happening at this point.


Huh? What happened?


Recon barely found any sort of circulation earlier. Structure has degenerated quite badly thanks to the shear dry air and conditions are looking less and less favorable down the road.




The TD should slow down it will also start to move into an area of lower wind shear.With those improving conditions it should favor intensification later tomorrow through Tuesday and Harvey may become a strong tropical storm
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#622 Postby cycloneye » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:58 pm

Will be downgraded to a open wave at 11 PM.

AL, 09, 2017082000, , BEST, 0, 142N, 708W, 30, 1007, WV
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#623 Postby Digital-TC-Chaser » Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:03 pm

Digital-TC-Chaser wrote:
Hammy wrote:
SoupBone wrote:
Huh? What happened?


Recon barely found any sort of circulation earlier. Structure has degenerated quite badly thanks to the shear dry air and conditions are looking less and less favorable down the road.


Official advisories to my knowledge are not listed as post-tropical, remnants.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#624 Postby Hammy » Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:04 pm

cycloneye wrote:Will be downgraded to a open wave at 11 PM.

AL, 09, 2017082000, , BEST, 0, 142N, 708W, 30, 1007, WV


Will the remnants be mentioned in the 2am or will they keep the position map up until the 8am outlook?
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#625 Postby HURAKAN » Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:10 pm

it would make sense if it's downgraded to a potential cyclone
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#626 Postby Alyono » Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:21 pm

HURAKAN wrote:it would make sense if it's downgraded to a potential cyclone


not sure there is enough potential
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#627 Postby Digital-TC-Chaser » Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:35 pm

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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#628 Postby Hammy » Sat Aug 19, 2017 9:20 pm

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Could be meaningless, but worth noting at least that winds on Colombian coast are out of the NW, where they were out of the NE and then SE earlier.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#629 Postby TheStormExpert » Sat Aug 19, 2017 9:26 pm

Interesting that this is the 3rd named storm to succumb to the hostility of the Atlantic in the Eastern Caribbean this season. Is it really normal for the Eastern Caribbean to be so hostile at this point in the season?
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#630 Postby CyclonicFury » Sat Aug 19, 2017 9:29 pm

TheStormExpert wrote:Interesting that this is the 3rd named storm to succumb to the hostility of the Atlantic in the Eastern Caribbean this season. Is it really normal for the Eastern Caribbean to be so hostile at this point in the season?

For Bret and Don, it was definitely normal. I would say it was somewhat normal for Harvey as well considering that weak storms usually always struggle in the Caribbean, except late in the season.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Remnants - Discussion

#631 Postby cycloneye » Sat Aug 19, 2017 9:38 pm

Remnants Of Harvey Discussion Number 11
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL092017
1100 PM EDT Sat Aug 19 2017

An Air Force Reserve Hurricane Hunter aircraft investigated Harvey
earlier this evening and was unable to close off a center of
circulation. The plane found a well-defined wind shift across the
wave axis, and winds decreased as the plane flew south along the
axis toward a pressure minimum south of 14N. Harvey has therefore
degenerated into an open wave, and this will be the last advisory.
Maximum surface winds, as measured by the plane, remain 30 kt. As
a side note, the associated deep convection has continued to lose
organization and is now oriented linearly from northeast to
southwest along the wave axis.

Harvey's remnants are moving quickly westward with a motion of
275/19 kt. A fast westward to west-northwestward motion is
expected to continue for the next couple of days as the wave moves
along the southern periphery of the subtropical ridge. A break in
the ridge caused by a mid- to upper-level low over the Gulf of
Mexico could cause the system to turn northwestward and slow down
as it moves across the Yucatan Peninsula and into the Bay of
Campeche in 3-5 days.

The global models, particularly the GFS and ECMWF, deserve a lot of
credit for showing Harvey dissipating, or at least not
strengthening, over the Caribbean Sea. Even though the vertical
shear that has been plaguing the system is expected to diminish in
24-48 hours, the system's fast motion and ambient dry air will
likely keep Harvey's remnants from regenerating into a tropical
cyclone in the near term. For that reason, the solutions shown by
the GFS, ECMWF, and UKMET appear most reasonable, keeping the
system as an open wave, or possibly regenerating to a tropical
depression before it reaches Belize and the Yucatan coast.
Regeneration is also possible if the remnants emerge over the Bay
of Campeche.

The remnants of Harvey will be monitored for signs of regeneration
and for the possibility of bringing tropical storm conditions to
Belize and the Yucatan Peninsula of Mexico during the next couple of
days. If necessary, advisories could be resumed and tropical storm
watches or warnings issued before Harvey regains tropical cyclone
status. Please refer to the Atlantic Tropical Weather Outlook for
this system's potential to regenerate into a tropical cyclone,
beginning with the 2 AM issuance on Sunday morning.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 20/0300Z 14.3N 71.8W 30 KT 35 MPH...REMNANTS OF HARVEY
12H 20/1200Z...DISSIPATED

$$
Forecaster Berg
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#632 Postby cycloneye » Sat Aug 19, 2017 9:40 pm

Hammy wrote:
cycloneye wrote:Will be downgraded to a open wave at 11 PM.

AL, 09, 2017082000, , BEST, 0, 142N, 708W, 30, 1007, WV


Will the remnants be mentioned in the 2am or will they keep the position map up until the 8am outlook?


If necessary, advisories could be resumed and tropical storm
watches or warnings issued before Harvey regains tropical cyclone
status. Please refer to the Atlantic Tropical Weather Outlook for
this system's potential to regenerate into a tropical cyclone,
beginning with the 2 AM issuance on Sunday morning.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Remnants - Discussion

#633 Postby Digital-TC-Chaser » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:01 pm

Humm i busted was sure they would find a weak westerly flag to the S.
well predicted hammy.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Remnants - Discussion

#634 Postby SoupBone » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:02 pm

cycloneye wrote:Remnants Of Harvey Discussion Number 11
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL092017
1100 PM EDT Sat Aug 19 2017

An Air Force Reserve Hurricane Hunter aircraft investigated Harvey
earlier this evening and was unable to close off a center of
circulation. The plane found a well-defined wind shift across the
wave axis, and winds decreased as the plane flew south along the
axis toward a pressure minimum south of 14N. Harvey has therefore
degenerated into an open wave, and this will be the last advisory.
Maximum surface winds, as measured by the plane, remain 30 kt. As
a side note, the associated deep convection has continued to lose
organization and is now oriented linearly from northeast to
southwest along the wave axis.

Harvey's remnants are moving quickly westward with a motion of
275/19 kt. A fast westward to west-northwestward motion is
expected to continue for the next couple of days as the wave moves
along the southern periphery of the subtropical ridge. A break in
the ridge caused by a mid- to upper-level low over the Gulf of
Mexico could cause the system to turn northwestward and slow down
as it moves across the Yucatan Peninsula and into the Bay of
Campeche in 3-5 days.

The global models, particularly the GFS and ECMWF, deserve a lot of
credit for showing Harvey dissipating, or at least not
strengthening, over the Caribbean Sea. Even though the vertical
shear that has been plaguing the system is expected to diminish in
24-48 hours, the system's fast motion and ambient dry air will
likely keep Harvey's remnants from regenerating into a tropical
cyclone in the near term. For that reason, the solutions shown by
the GFS, ECMWF, and UKMET appear most reasonable, keeping the
system as an open wave, or possibly regenerating to a tropical
depression before it reaches Belize and the Yucatan coast.
Regeneration is also possible if the remnants emerge over the Bay
of Campeche.

The remnants of Harvey will be monitored for signs of regeneration
and for the possibility of bringing tropical storm conditions to
Belize and the Yucatan Peninsula of Mexico during the next couple of
days. If necessary, advisories could be resumed and tropical storm
watches or warnings issued before Harvey regains tropical cyclone
status. Please refer to the Atlantic Tropical Weather Outlook for
this system's potential to regenerate into a tropical cyclone,
beginning with the 2 AM issuance on Sunday morning.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 20/0300Z 14.3N 71.8W 30 KT 35 MPH...REMNANTS OF HARVEY
12H 20/1200Z...DISSIPATED

$$
Forecaster Berg



I know it can regenerate but.... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Remnants - Discussion

#635 Postby gatorcane » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:14 pm

In one of the original discussions for this system the NHC almost seemed frustrated with the GFS and ECMWF models even going against those models calling for a hurricane. Now they pay their respects. So far those two models are doing well with this system and 92l despite being quite bumpy for Gert.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#636 Postby CyclonicFury » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:17 pm

cycloneye wrote:
Hammy wrote:
cycloneye wrote:Will be downgraded to a open wave at 11 PM.

AL, 09, 2017082000, , BEST, 0, 142N, 708W, 30, 1007, WV


Will the remnants be mentioned in the 2am or will they keep the position map up until the 8am outlook?


If necessary, advisories could be resumed and tropical storm
watches or warnings issued before Harvey regains tropical cyclone
status. Please refer to the Atlantic Tropical Weather Outlook for
this system's potential to regenerate into a tropical cyclone,
beginning with the 2 AM issuance on Sunday morning.

If that happened, what would it be called? "Potential Tropical Cyclone Harvey"?
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Remnants - Discussion

#637 Postby EquusStorm » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:59 pm

Can't say I am all that surprised... satellite presentation earlier was one of the worst I've seen in a while for an active tropical cyclone. Really harsh conditions right now. Imagine what it'd be like without the cyclone shredders and dry air out there... would likely be talking about three active tropical systems at the moment. I know it happens with some frequency even in active seasons and we had Gert and Franklin, but it still seems almost comical that tracking struggling invests for a week is the highlight of a NHEM basin for a good while in August.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Remnants - Discussion

#638 Postby Sanibel » Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:34 pm

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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Remnants - Discussion

#639 Postby GCANE » Sun Aug 20, 2017 4:24 am

May not be dead yet.
Starting to move under the anti-cyclone.
Next 24 hrs could see the LL vorts stack up and close off.
200mb PV looks good.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Remnants - Discussion

#640 Postby abajan » Sun Aug 20, 2017 4:25 am

Even though the key on the TWO's map for remnants of a system is a non-bold red x, Harvey's remnants have a 40% chance for redevelopment. So, shouldn't it have a bold orange x and cone (as is normally done for systems having a medium chance of development in 5 days) showing the possible threat to the Central American countries mentioned? If I were the average non-weather enthusiast living in one of those countries, and saw the map without bothering to read the text, I would think there's no need to be concerned.

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1. Disorganized showers and thunderstorms over the central Caribbean Sea are associated with the remnants of Harvey. Unfavorable upper-level winds and dry air are expected to inhibit development today. Environmental conditions could become a little more conducive for regeneration by Monday when the system moves west-northwestward over the northwest Caribbean Sea, and interests in northern Nicaragua, Honduras, Belize, and the Yucatan peninsula should monitor the progress of this system.

* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...30 percent
* Formation chance through 5 days...medium...40 percent
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