ATL: GABRIELLE - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: GABRIELLE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#61 Postby AnnularCane » Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:51 pm

Poor little Gabrielle, sheared down to 45 mph. :( They say the shear should decrease, but I'll believe it when I see it. Shear forecasts always seem difficult for some reason.
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Re: ATL: GABRIELLE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#62 Postby EquusStorm » Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:04 pm

Convection has been so far removed for so long away from the admittedly vigorous LLC that I would not at all be shocked if Gabby here was downgraded to a post tropical low for a day or so. It barely meets the criterion for a TC. Obviously it is attempting to build convection but it's just not going to happen for a day or so.
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...but still, though, a lot more interesting than the 2013 season.

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Re: ATL: GABRIELLE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#63 Postby Hammy » Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:18 pm

Probably won't last much longer, maybe 24h. Going over colder water--things don't often survive in this part of the Atlantic that aren't already fairly well put together in the first place.
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Re: ATL: GABRIELLE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#64 Postby TallyTracker » Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:50 pm

Looks like TS Gabrielle may be declared post-tropical on the next advisory if it doesn’t redevelop convection near the center soon. Winds are down to 40 mph too.
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Re: ATL: GABRIELLE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#65 Postby EquusStorm » Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:09 pm

It will be moving over relatively warmer waters for a bit in about 36-48 hours as it starts to recurve, but persistent dry air probably won't let it take advantage of that. Would be shocked if it managed to really regenerate itself at this point.
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...but still, though, a lot more interesting than the 2013 season.

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Re: ATL: GABRIELLE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#66 Postby NotSparta » Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:00 am

It's gone. May have a chance to regenerate as it turns left going around the ULL, resulting in lower shear and higher SSTs. Still, it will need to deal with surrounding dry air

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Re: ATL: GABRIELLE - Post-Tropical - Discussion

#67 Postby cycloneye » Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:59 am

Post-Tropical Cyclone Gabrielle Discussion Number 11
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL082019
500 AM AST Fri Sep 06 2019

Poorly defined Gabrielle has not produced any organized deep
convection since Thursday morning, and what remains of the showers
and thunderstorms, is displaced nearly 200 miles north of the
elongated surface circulation. Consequently, Gabrielle can no
longer be classified as a tropical cyclone and has degenerated into
a 35 kt post-tropical cyclone.

Statistical-dynamical models, as well as the large-scale guidance,
show that strong shear, along with mid-tropospheric dry air
intrusion, should continue to inhibit convective development during
the next 24 h or so, and cause further weakening into a remnant
low. Around mid-period, the shear is forecast to decrease and the
upper wind pattern becomes more diffluent. Additionally,
Post-Tropical Cyclone Gabrielle will be traversing significantly
warmer oceanic sea surface temperatures. As a result, the cyclone
is forecast to redevelop organized deep convection, and more than
likely, re-strengthen. In fact, some of the intensity guidance
shows Gabrielle becoming a hurricane in 4 days before transitioning
into an extratropical cyclone at the end of the period. The NHC
intensity forecast is based on a blend of the HFIP HCCA, and the
deterministic guidance beyond day 3.

The initial motion is estimated to be an accelerating northwestward
motion, or 315/10 kt. The global and regional models are in rather
good agreement that the post-tropical cyclone will gradually turn
toward the west-northwest during the next 48 hours, before recurving
northward and then northeastward early next week in response to an
approaching major shortwave mid-latitude trough from the northwest.
The official forecast track is just a little to the left of the
previous one, and is very close to the TVCA simple multi-model
guidance.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 06/0900Z 25.5N 37.6W 35 KT 40 MPH...POST-TROPICAL
12H 06/1800Z 27.1N 39.2W 30 KT 35 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
24H 07/0600Z 29.2N 41.8W 30 KT 35 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
36H 07/1800Z 30.7N 44.8W 35 KT 40 MPH...TROPICAL CYCLONE
48H 08/0600Z 31.9N 47.4W 45 KT 50 MPH
72H 09/0600Z 35.6N 48.6W 55 KT 65 MPH
96H 10/0600Z 40.4N 44.3W 60 KT 70 MPH
120H 11/0600Z 47.0N 34.5W 55 KT 65 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP

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Re: ATL: GABRIELLE - Post-Tropical - Discussion

#68 Postby cycloneye » Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:13 am

An area of low pressure, the remnants of Gabrielle, is producing
an area of showers and thunderstorms to the north of its center.
Although upper-level winds are not particularly favorable for
re-development of this system at this time, conditions are expected
to become increasingly conducive for regeneration, and the low is
likely to become a tropical storm again within the next day or so.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...high...80 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...high...80 percent.
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Re: ATL: GABRIELLE - Post-Tropical - Discussion

#69 Postby Hurricane Jed » Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:22 am

It can stay dead as far as I’m concerned
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Re: ATL: GABRIELLE - Post-Tropical - Discussion

#70 Postby Florida1118 » Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:44 am

GABRIELLE QUICKLY REGENERATES INTO A TROPICAL STORM... ...EXPECTED TO BECOME A HURRICANE EARLY NEXT WEEK...
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Re: ATL: GABRIELLE - Post-Tropical - Discussion

#71 Postby RL3AO » Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:45 am

Free ACE and only ships have to worry about it.
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Re: ATL: GABRIELLE - Post-Tropical - Discussion

#72 Postby AnnularCane » Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:46 am

WOW, that was fast! :lol:

Sorry Jed, but I'm rooting for this one. 8-)
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Re: ATL: GABRIELLE - Post-Tropical - Discussion

#73 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:46 am

Didn't even skip an advisory before regeneration.
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Re: ATL: GABRIELLE - Post-Tropical - Discussion

#74 Postby Florida1118 » Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:48 am

Interesting parts of the discussion:

Although Gabrielle was without organized deep convection for most of the past 24 hours, deep convection has quickly re-developed near and to the north of the center this morning. In addition, recent ASCAT data indicate that the winds have increased since last night, suggesting that tropical-cyclone intensification processes are ongoing. While normally we would wait a little longer to restart the cyclone, since the previous advisory and this one show the potential for significant strengthening, advisories are being re-initiated so that marine warnings that were already in place could remain. The initial intensity is set to 40 kt, in agreement with the ASCAT winds.

The new NHC prediction is increased at long-range as much as continuity allows and is still below many of the model forecasts.
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Re: ATL: GABRIELLE - Post-Tropical - Discussion

#75 Postby HurricaneBelle » Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:48 am

Don't call it a comeback.
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Re: ATL: GABRIELLE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#76 Postby CyclonicFury » Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:23 am

This is the fastest I have ever seen a TC regenerate.
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Re: ATL: GABRIELLE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#77 Postby NotSparta » Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:47 am

Time to bring this out again :lol:

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Re: ATL: GABRIELLE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#78 Postby galaxy401 » Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:47 am

Wow that was very quick. I first thought it remained a TS during the night. :lol: Is 6 hours the quickest regeneration we seen? I wonder if it’ll remain a TS in post-season analysis.
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Re: ATL: GABRIELLE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#79 Postby CyclonicFury » Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:48 am

galaxy401 wrote:Wow that was very quick. I first thought it remained a TS during the night. :lol: Is 6 hours the quickest regeneration we seen? I wonder if it’ll remain a TS in post-season analysis.

I think they might have it become a remnant low sooner, around 18z or 00z, with the regeneration at 12z today.
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Re: ATL: GABRIELLE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#80 Postby Hurricane Jed » Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:23 am

Okayyyyy then. Still looks like a naked swirl to me.
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