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Re: EPAC: LORENA - Hurricane

#81 Postby zeehag » Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:37 am

somethingfunny wrote:
zeehag wrote:
Astromanía wrote:This will be a major, I said it



too many lives will be lost in that case
please donot cheer this beast on. many anchored boats in soc were counting on this one being in pacific ocean. there is no time to reanchor before storm now for any of them.
bola, la paz..loreto, all the way up the coast boats at anchor been watching for news. today was too late to do anything more than sit in boat and wait the storm out. please donot cheer this on. is giving me an ulcer. out to sea i can cheer. into many areas i can cheer, but not up soc. and this is why i willnot sail up here. once a storm gets into soc there is no escape. is a boat trap. they donot need another odile or worse.
please tell tha t lil eyeball to get to land now. is skimming coast as if it were going to san felipe....


The saving grace for mariners in the Sea of Cortez may be that Lorena is a very small storm so there are plenty of places to go outside of the impact zone...

...If only that zone could be more easily forecasted. The way this storm has been zigzagging left and right I'd be very worried about anybody trying to move their boat to a different part of the sea and being surprised by another sudden shift in the track.


this dronken storm has many folks in soc distressed. todays new track eastmore is a relief to some and a stressor to others. no track is ever good up there, as so many sail remote areas. i hope these have gotten the info via ssb friends that they need to find other sheltered areas in which to stay.
folks in loreto are still nervous. it is difficult to figure out where a dronken storm will go so avoidance is difficult. the 50 knot wind zone is huge. those boxy seas in 50 kts is difficult at best to manage. i hope all ar e ok ...
now lets cheer on this dronken storm.
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Re: EPAC: LORENA - Hurricane

#82 Postby SEASON_CANCELED » Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:40 am

Im going to out on a limb and say california will be fine.

We have seen these sort of projections before.
Linda is a good example..they just never pan out.
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Re: EPAC: LORENA - Hurricane

#83 Postby cycloneye » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:02 am

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Hurricane Lorena Advisory Number 17
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL EP152019
900 AM MDT Sat Sep 21 2019

...HURRICANE LORENA MOVING NORTHWARD OVER THE GULF OF CALIFORNIA...


SUMMARY OF 900 AM MDT...1500 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...25.6N 110.6W
ABOUT 165 MI...270 KM S OF GUAYMAS MEXICO
ABOUT 55 MI...90 KM ESE OF LORETO MEXICO
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...75 MPH...120 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...N OR 350 DEGREES AT 12 MPH...19 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...986 MB...29.12 INCHES


WATCHES AND WARNINGS
--------------------
CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY:

The Government of Mexico has discontinued the Hurricane Warnings for
the east coast of the Baja California Peninsula and replaced it
with a Tropical Storm Warning from Bahia San Juan Bautista to San
Evaristo. The government of Mexico also adjusted the watches and
warnings for mainland Mexico and a Tropical Storm Warning and a
Hurricane Watch are now in effect from Huatabampito to Puerto
Libertad.

SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT:

A Hurricane Watch is in effect for...
* Northwestern coast of mainland Mexico from Huatabampito to
Puerto Libertad.

A Tropical Storm Warning is in effect for...
* Baja California peninsula from Bahia San Juan Bautista to San
Evaristo.
* Northwestern coast of mainland Mexico from Huatabampito to
Puerto Libertad.

A Hurricane Watch means that hurricane conditions are possible
within the watch area.

A Tropical Storm Warning means that tropical storm conditions are
expected somewhere within the warning area.

Interests elsewhere on the Baja California Peninsula and the
northwestern coast of mainland Mexico should monitor the progress of
Lorena.

For storm information specific to your area, please monitor products
issued by your national meteorological service.


DISCUSSION AND OUTLOOK
----------------------
At 900 AM MDT (1500 UTC), the center of Hurricane Lorena was located
near latitude 25.6 North, longitude 110.6 West. Lorena is moving
toward the north near 12 mph (19 km/h). A general motion toward the
north is expected during the next day or so. On the forecast track,
the center of Lorena is expected to move over the Gulf of California
today, then approach the northwestern coast of mainland Mexico
tonight and Sunday.

Maximum sustained winds are near 75 mph (120 km/h) with higher
gusts. Some slight weakening is forecast before the center
reaches the coast of mainland Mexico early Sunday.

Hurricane-force winds extend outward up to 10 miles (20 km) from the
center and tropical-storm-force winds extend outward up to 45 miles
(75 km).

The estimated minimum central pressure is 986 mb (29.12 inches).


HAZARDS AFFECTING LAND
----------------------
Key messages for Lorena can be found in the Tropical Cyclone
Discussion under AWIPS header MIATCDEP5 and WMO header WTPZ45 KNHC
and on the web at www.hurricanes.gov/text/MIATCDEP5.shtml.

WIND: Tropical-storms conditions are expected to spread northward
across the Gulf or California today. Hurricane conditions are
possible and tropical storm conditions are expected within the
hurricane watch and tropical storm warning areas by tonight.

RAINFALL: Lorena is expected to produce the following total
rainfall accumulations through Sunday:

Baja California Sur...3 to 6 inches with isolated maximum amounts
around 8 inches.

Sonora...3 to 6 inches.

Northwest Sinaloa...2 to 4 inches.

This rainfall may result in life-threatening flash flooding.

SURF: Swells generated by Lorena will affect portions of the
western coast of Mexico and the southern Baja California peninsula
during the next few days. These swells are likely to cause
life-threatening surf and rip current conditions. Please consult
products from your local weather office.


NEXT ADVISORY
-------------
Next intermediate advisory at 1200 PM MDT.
Next complete advisory at 300 PM MDT.

$$
Forecaster Avila

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Hurricane Lorena Discussion Number 17
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL EP152019
900 AM MDT Sat Sep 21 2019

The circulation of Lorena has been interacting with the high terrain
of the Baja California peninsula for the past 12 hours and most
likely the inner core has been disrupted. The center is very
difficult to locate on conventional imagery, but it is estimated to
be near the area of the deepest convection in the Gulf of
California. Based on continuity and Dvorak estimates, the initial
intensity is kept at 65 kt at this time. Given that a portion of
Lorena's circulation will continue to interact with land and that
the shear is forecast to increase significantly, gradual weakening
is anticipated. However, the intensity forecast is uncertain since
we do not know how much the inner core was disrupted by land. An Air
Force plane will investigate Lorena later today and should provide
a better assessment of Lorena's winds.

Since we do not have a good center location, the initial motion is
uncertain but the best estimate is toward the north or 350 degrees
at 10 kt. The steering currents associated with a subtropical high
over Mexico and an approaching mid-latitude trough should force
Lorena on a northerly track across the Gulf of California, and bring
the center of Lorena to mainland Mexico in about 24 hours. Once the
center moves inland rapid weakening is anticipated. The NHC forecast
is in the middle of the guidance envelope and is very close to the
corrected consensus HCCA.

Key Messages:

1. Lorena will produce heavy rain, with life-threatening flash
floods possible this weekend in parts of Baja California and
northwest Mexico. Moisture associated with Lorena is forecast to
bring a chance for heavy rain to the southwest United States late
this weekend and early next week.

2. Lorena is forecast to continue to produce tropical-storm-force
winds over a portion of the east coast of the Baja California
peninsula today. These conditions are expected to reach portions of
mainland Mexico tonight where a Tropical Storm Warning and Hurricane
Watch is in effect.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 21/1500Z 25.6N 110.6W 65 KT 75 MPH
12H 22/0000Z 27.0N 111.2W 60 KT 70 MPH
24H 22/1200Z 29.0N 111.5W 50 KT 60 MPH
36H 23/0000Z 31.0N 112.0W 30 KT 35 MPH...INLAND
48H 23/1200Z...DISSIPATED

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Re: EPAC: LORENA - Tropical Storm

#84 Postby cycloneye » Sat Sep 21, 2019 3:45 pm

BULLETIN
Tropical Storm Lorena Advisory Number 18
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL EP152019
300 PM MDT Sat Sep 21 2019

...CORE OF LORENA DID NOT SURVIVE THE HIGH TERRAIN OF
THE SOUTHERN BAJA CALIFORNIA PENINSULA...
...HEADING FOR NORTHWESTERN MEXICO AS A TROPICAL STORM...

SUMMARY OF 300 PM MDT...2100 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...26.7N 111.1W
ABOUT 90 MI...145 KM S OF GUAYMAS MEXICO
ABOUT 50 MI...85 KM NNE OF LORETO MEXICO
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...50 MPH...85 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...N OR 350 DEGREES AT 12 MPH...19 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1002 MB...29.59 INCHES


WATCHES AND WARNINGS
--------------------
CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY:

The government of Mexico has discontinued the Tropical Storm Warning
for the Baja California peninsula and the Hurricane Watch for
mainland Mexico from Huatabampito to Puerto Libertad.


SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT:

A Tropical Storm Warning is in effect for...

* Northwestern coast of mainland Mexico from Huatabampito to
Puerto Libertad.

A Tropical Storm Warning means that tropical storm conditions are
expected somewhere within the warning area.

Interests elsewhere on the northwestern coast of mainland Mexico
should monitor the progress of Lorena.

For storm information specific to your area, please monitor products
issued by your national meteorological service.


DISCUSSION AND OUTLOOK
----------------------
At 300 PM MDT (2100 UTC), the center of Tropical Storm Lorena was
located near latitude 26.7 North, longitude 111.1 West. Lorena is
moving toward the north near 12 mph (19 km/h), and this general
motion is expected to continue during the next 24 to 36 hours. On
the forecast track, the center of Lorena is expected to continue
moving across the Gulf of California for the next 6 to 12 hours, and
then cross the northwestern coast of mainland Mexico on Sunday.

Data from a reconnaissance plane indicate that the maximum sustained
winds have decreased to near 50 mph (85 km/h) with higher gusts.
Lorena is expected to reach the coast as a tropical storm early
Sunday, but rapid weakening is anticipated thereafter.

Tropical-storm-force winds extend outward up to 45 miles (75 km)
to the north and east of the center.

The minimum central pressure estimated by the crew of the Air Force
plane was 1002 mb (29.59 inches).


HAZARDS AFFECTING LAND
----------------------
Key messages for Lorena can be found in the Tropical Cyclone
Discussion under AWIPS header MIATCDEP5 and WMO header WTPZ45 KNHC
and on the web at www.hurricanes.gov/text/MIATCDEP5.shtml.

WIND: Tropical-storms conditions are expected to spread northward
across the Gulf or California today and reach the tropical storm
warning area by later tonight.

RAINFALL: Lorena is expected to produce the following total
rainfall accumulations through Sunday night:

Sonora...3 to 6 inches with isolated totals of 8 inches.
East coast of Baja California Sur and Northwest Sinaloa...additional
1 to 3 inches.

This rainfall may result in life-threatening flash flooding.

SURF: Swells generated by Lorena will continue to affect portions
of the western coast of Mexico. These swells are likely to cause
life-threatening surf and rip current conditions. Please consult
products from your local weather office.


NEXT ADVISORY
-------------
Next intermediate advisory at 600 PM MDT.
Next complete advisory at 900 PM MDT.

$$
Forecaster Avila




Tropical Storm Lorena Discussion Number 18
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL EP152019
300 PM MDT Sat Sep 21 2019

The inner core of Lorena did not survive its path across the high
terrain of the southern portion of the Baja California peninsula.
An Air Force reconnaissance aircraft investigated the cyclone and
found that Lorena has weakened significantly. The central pressure
rose to 1002 mb, and the peak winds are only 45 kt. These winds are
confined to a small area to the north and east of the center. The
cloud pattern has also deteriorated significantly since yesterday.
Although the ocean is quite warm in the Gulf of California, the
shear is rapidly increasing, and this factor should continue to
weaken the already battered storm. However, the NHC forecast calls
for Lorena to reach the coast of northwestern Mexico within
the tropical storm warning area in about 18 hours or so as a
tropical storm. After landfall, rapid weakening is anticipated, but
heavy rains should continue for another day or so.

Lorena is moving toward the north or 350 degrees at 10 kt, steered
by the flow around the western periphery of a subtropical high.
This flow pattern will persist, and Lorena is anticipated to
continue on this general track for the next day or two until
dissipation over the Sonoran Desert.

Key Messages:

1. Lorena will produce heavy rain, with life-threatening flash
floods possible, this weekend in parts of northwestern mainland
Mexico. Moisture associated with Lorena is forecast to bring a
chance for heavy rain to the southwest United States late
this weekend and early next week.

2. Lorena is expected to bring tropical-storm-force winds over
portions of the tropical storm warning area beginning tonight.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 21/2100Z 26.7N 111.1W 45 KT 50 MPH
12H 22/0600Z 28.2N 111.6W 40 KT 45 MPH
24H 22/1800Z 30.0N 112.0W 30 KT 35 MPH...INLAND
36H 23/0600Z 32.0N 112.0W 20 KT 25 MPH...INLAND
48H 23/1800Z...DISSIPATED

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Re: EPAC: LORENA - Tropical Storm

#85 Postby zeehag » Sat Sep 21, 2019 3:49 pm

those who have checked in have said nonevent.
awesome.
is saw the loop with it heading into land near guaymas area..
. so far all are good, will learn of the remotely anchored folks in a few days as they check in.
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Re: EPAC: LORENA - Tropical Storm

#86 Postby Yellow Evan » Sat Sep 21, 2019 5:55 pm

Basically this has decoupled.
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Re: EPAC: LORENA - Tropical Storm

#87 Postby Astromanía » Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:46 pm

No deaths reported so far in Mexico, that's great! I hope when it makes landfall again in Sonora it doesn´t make a lot of damage and brings nice rainfall. According to NHC, Arizona could receive nice rain out of Lorena as a tropical depression.
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Re: EPAC: LORENA - Tropical Storm

#88 Postby cycloneye » Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:40 pm

BULLETIN
Tropical Storm Lorena Advisory Number 19
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL EP152019
900 PM MDT Sat Sep 21 2019

...CENTER OF LORENA EXPECTED TO REACH THE COAST OF MAINLAND
MEXICO DURING THE NEXT SEVERAL HOURS...


SUMMARY OF 900 PM MDT...0300 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...27.6N 111.2W
ABOUT 35 MI...55 KM SW OF GUAYMAS MEXICO
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...45 MPH...75 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...N OR 355 DEGREES AT 12 MPH...19 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1002 MB...29.59 INCHES


WATCHES AND WARNINGS
--------------------
CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY:

None.

SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT:

A Tropical Storm Warning is in effect for...
* Northwestern coast of mainland Mexico from Huatabampito to
Puerto Libertad.

A Tropical Storm Warning means that tropical storm conditions are
expected somewhere within the warning area.

Interests elsewhere on the northwestern coast of mainland Mexico
should monitor the progress of Lorena.

For storm information specific to your area, please monitor
products issued by your national meteorological service.


DISCUSSION AND OUTLOOK
----------------------
At 900 PM MDT (0300 UTC), the center of Tropical Storm Lorena was
located near latitude 27.6 North, longitude 111.2 West. Lorena is
moving toward the north near 12 mph (19 km/h), and this general
motion is expected to continue during the next 24 hours or so. On
the forecast track, the center of Lorena is expected to cross the
coast of mainland Mexico during the next several hours, followed by
a motion across northwestern Mexico.

Maximum sustained winds are near 45 mph (75 km/h) with higher gusts.
Little change in strength is likely before landfall. After
landfall, Lorena is expected to weaken, and the system is forecast
to dissipate over northwestern Mexico by Monday morning.

Tropical-storm-force winds extend outward up to 45 miles (75 km)
from the center.

The estimated minimum central pressure is 1002 mb (29.59 inches).


HAZARDS AFFECTING LAND
----------------------
Key messages for Lorena can be found in the Tropical Cyclone
Discussion under AWIPS header MIATCDEP5 and WMO header WTPZ45 KNHC
and on the web at www.hurricanes.gov/text/MIATCDEP5.shtml.

WIND: Tropical-storm conditions are expected in the tropical
storm warning area along the coast of mainland Mexico during the
next several hours.

RAINFALL: Rainfall: Lorena is expected to produce total rain
accumulations of 3 to 6 inches over central Sonora, and additional
rainfall of less than one inch over Baja California Sur through
Sunday. This rainfall may result in life-threatening flash floods
in Sonora.

SURF: Swells generated by Lorena will continue to affect portions
of the western coast of Mexico. These swells are likely to cause
life-threatening surf and rip current conditions. Please consult
products from your local weather office.


NEXT ADVISORY
-------------
Next intermediate advisory at 1200 AM MDT.
Next complete advisory at 300 AM MDT.

$$
Forecaster Beven




Tropical Storm Lorena Discussion Number 19
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL EP152019
900 PM MDT Sat Sep 21 2019

Recent SSMI/S and WindSat microwave overpasses helped locate the
center of Lorena, which was hidden under a band of cirrus clouds,
over the Gulf of California southwest of Guymas. The system was
devoid of convection for several hours. However, a new burst of
convection has recently formed just northeast of the center. There
is little data near the central core, so the initial intensity is
set at 40 kt based mainly on continuity from the previous advisory.
Lorena should make landfall over northwestern Mexico during the
next several hours, then rapidly weaken over the mountainous
terrain and dissipate over northwestern Mexico by Monday morning.

The microwave data indicate that Lorena is continuing to move just
west of due north or 355/10 kt. A general northward or perhaps
north-northwestward motion is expected until the cyclone
dissipates, and the new forecast track is changed little from the
previous advisory track.

Key Messages:

1. Lorena may produce dangerous flash flooding in Sonora Saturday
night and Sunday. Moisture associated with Lorena may also result in
locally heavy rain over parts of Arizona early in the week. There is
a Slight Risk of excessive rainfall over central Arizona on Monday.

2. Lorena is expected to bring tropical-storm-force winds over
portions of the tropical storm warning area during the next several
hours.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 22/0300Z 27.6N 111.2W 40 KT 45 MPH
12H 22/1200Z 29.0N 111.7W 30 KT 35 MPH...INLAND
24H 23/0000Z 30.9N 112.1W 20 KT 25 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
36H 23/1200Z...DISSIPATED

$$
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Re: EPAC: LORENA - Remnants

#89 Postby cycloneye » Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:42 am

Post-Tropical Cyclone Lorena Discussion Number 21
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL EP152019
900 AM MDT Sun Sep 22 2019

The poorly defined center of what is left of Lorena crossed the
coast of northwestern Mexico this morning to the northwest of
Guaymas. The system has degenerated into a broad area of low
pressure accompanied by a few showers. The low is expected to move
farther inland and dissipate tonight or early Monday.

This is the last advisory issued by the National Hurricane Center on
this system.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 22/1500Z 28.8N 111.5W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
12H 23/0000Z 30.0N 111.5W 20 KT 25 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
24H 23/1200Z...DISSIPATED

$$
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Re: EPAC: LORENA - Remnants

#90 Postby Monsoonjr99 » Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:18 am

I was thinking a stronger system would feel the trough more and get steered into mainland Mexico like it did, but given how the NHC forecast shifted eastward after Lorena's landfall disrupted the core, I now think my idea was backwards somehow. The NHC was projecting a more northwestward track when it was still expected to retain its strength up to the shear wall.

What exactly were the steering influences on Lorena? Seems like another stronger=west/weaker=east system that reminds me of Dorian.
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Re: EPAC: LORENA - Remnants

#91 Postby wx98 » Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:58 am

Moisture from this has dropped heavy rain across Arizona, causing flooding.
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Re: EPAC: LORENA - Remnants

#92 Postby Astromanía » Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:55 pm

Damn this caused a death in Mexico after all. An israeli aparently was saving his son from drowning in Los Cabos after they were swept out to sea by a large wave, the son survived but the man died. He and his family were vacationating.

Article:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-man-dies-in-mexico-while-saving-son-from-drowning/
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Re: EPAC: LORENA - Remnants

#93 Postby Astromanía » Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:57 pm

wx98 wrote:Moisture from this has dropped heavy rain across Arizona, causing flooding.


How bad was the flooding?
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Re: EPAC: LORENA - Remnants

#94 Postby wx98 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:01 pm

Astromanía wrote:
wx98 wrote:Moisture from this has dropped heavy rain across Arizona, causing flooding.


How bad was the flooding?

Fairly significant. I saw it on the news.
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Re: EPAC: LORENA - Remnants

#95 Postby Astromanía » Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:34 pm

wx98 wrote:
Astromanía wrote:
wx98 wrote:Moisture from this has dropped heavy rain across Arizona, causing flooding.


How bad was the flooding?

Fairly significant. I saw it on the news.

Well I hope it wasn't something extremely bad, The most important thing always is prevent lives lost or injuried people from those systems. I remember seeing a post saying that Arizona needed some rain, but as usually remants bring more than what it is need
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