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ATL: PAULETTE - Models

#1 Postby cycloneye » Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:46 pm

Only model runs.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#2 Postby CyclonicFury » Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:53 pm

Lots of shear according to SHIPS.
* GFS version *
* ATLANTIC 2020 SHIPS INTENSITY FORECAST *
* IR SAT DATA AVAILABLE, OHC AVAILABLE *
* INVEST AL922020 09/04/20 18 UTC *

TIME (HR) 0 6 12 18 24 36 48 60 72 84 96 108 120 132 144 156 168
V (KT) NO LAND 25 26 26 26 27 29 32 33 34 33 31 31 30 30 33 38 42
V (KT) LAND 25 26 26 26 27 29 32 33 34 33 31 31 30 30 33 38 42
V (KT) LGEM 25 25 26 26 27 27 26 25 23 20 18 17 15 N/A N/A N/A N/A
Storm Type TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP

SHEAR (KT) 15 6 8 12 18 22 28 35 35 34 34 32 26 21 12 14 16
SHEAR ADJ (KT) -1 2 5 6 3 2 1 -1 -4 -3 0 0 1 -1 -5 -1 0
SHEAR DIR 56 15 329 295 272 275 268 273 265 252 235 229 220 205 163 125 105
SST (C) 27.2 27.4 26.9 26.7 26.4 26.2 26.6 26.7 26.6 26.6 26.5 26.3 26.5 27.4 28.1 28.2 28.2
POT. INT. (KT) 128 131 125 123 120 117 120 121 119 120 119 118 119 128 135 135 135
ADJ. POT. INT. 126 129 123 121 116 111 111 112 109 111 111 110 112 120 123 122 122
200 MB T (C) -52.8 -52.9 -53.1 -53.2 -52.9 -53.3 -53.1 -53.3 -53.3 -53.7 -53.3 -53.3 -52.9 -53.2 -53.2 -52.9 -52.6
200 MB VXT (C) 0.2 0.3 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
TH_E DEV (C) 6 5 5 5 5 5 6 7 8 7 8 9 9 9 9 9 10
700-500 MB RH 71 70 68 66 64 60 57 54 52 53 51 48 42 45 45 48 48
MODEL VTX (KT) 11 10 LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST
850 MB ENV VOR 78 59 35 24 36 60 79 90 100 104 110 117 120 117 102 104 96
200 MB DIV 10 22 23 27 50 66 63 25 20 27 17 12 24 -1 2 5 13
700-850 TADV -12 -14 -12 8 9 2 0 -10 15 -2 4 -2 -3 -2 0 2 0
LAND (KM) 828 957 1119 1305 1478 1784 2047 2214 2087 1973 1845 1692 1501 1272 1138 1074 1079
LAT (DEG N) 15.2 16.3 17.1 17.9 18.6 19.3 19.7 19.6 19.7 19.8 19.8 19.4 18.6 xx.x xx.x xx.x xx.x
LONG(DEG W) 25.2 26.3 27.7 29.3 30.9 34.0 36.6 38.6 40.6 42.5 44.8 47.2 49.6 xxx.x xxx.x xxx.x xxx.x
STM SPEED (KT) 15 15 16 17 16 14 10 10 9 10 11 12 11 9 4 2 2
HEAT CONTENT 11 16 7 5 4 2 8 8 2 3 5 2 2 16 35 40 37
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#3 Postby gatorcane » Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:19 pm

Like the GFS has done since the beginning with this, the 12z recurves into the north-Central Atlantic NE of the Lesser Antilles:

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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#4 Postby SconnieCane » Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:24 pm

:uarrow: In that scenario, almost looks like it gets trapped there near the Azores and could loop and linger forever a bit like Leslie 2018.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#5 Postby gatorcane » Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:46 pm

The Bermuda High is under siege on this run of the 12Z Euro. It is getting squashed by the cutoff low over the US and a mid-upper low over the Central Atlantic. The model consequently turns 92l north over the Central Atlantic just like the GFS. It also weakens it.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#6 Postby Aric Dunn » Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:48 pm

Models get rid of one interaction ( 91L) and introduce another..

the wave behind 92L catches up and then starts ineracting and that waves get thrown NW then 92L follows.

otherwise riding would keep 92L moving w to wnw.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#7 Postby aspen » Fri Sep 04, 2020 7:01 pm

The CMC and ICON are having varying degrees of trouble with the interaction between 91L and 92L. They still think 91L is its own separate area of vorticity, but if Aric is right, it’s been completely strung out and should not induce a Fujiwhara-like rotation between the two invests. The ICON has 92L quickly becoming dominant, while the CMC shows them interacting too much for either to develop, which seems unrealistic given the state of 91L. The Euro’s relativity Fujiwhara-free genesis seems to be the most plausible scenario, depending on what happens to 92L’s two circulations.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#8 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:35 am

00z Euro coming in...

Ridging looks more stout through 144 hours.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#9 Postby Shell Mound » Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:31 am

A fairly consistent theme of the EPS guidance thus far: 92L is expected to become TS Paulette—whose name is redolent of EPAC systems—within the next day. On days two and three, most of the guidance shows a pronounced, persistent WSW motion, as shortwave ridging temporarily strengthens on the western flank of the TUTT. In three and a half days, steering currents break down as 92L/Paulette finds itself in the col region between the ridge and the TUTT. 92L’s future track depends on its intensity, its organisational depth, by then, which will dictate its long-term future. A weaker 92L in the short term would move more rapidly and be farther SW by then, whereas a deeper 92L would be slower and farther NE. Nevertheless, the EPS shows that even the weakest members eventually turn 92L northward well to the east of the Lesser Antilles, so OTS seems to be assured as an outcome, given the depth of the TUTT-induced weakness on the runs.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#10 Postby LarryWx » Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:41 am

It’s an outlier, but look how far west 92L is getting on 12Z GFS.

Edit: Is this the wave behind 92L?
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#11 Postby USTropics » Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:55 am

LarryWx wrote:It’s an outlier, but look how far west 92L is getting on 12Z GFS.

Edit: Is this the wave behind 92L?


Hey Larry, I think this is the wave behind 92L. There is still some interaction with the remnants of 91L briefly, but the catalyst is this wave on the coast right now. I drew the axis in pink, and played it out to 300 hours:

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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#12 Postby Aric Dunn » Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:25 pm

So how is that model consensus going for everyone ? :D
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#13 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:35 pm

12z GFS-Para remains very aggressive for this system.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#14 Postby Hurrilurker » Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:21 pm

Wow, I don't like the look of that one coming off the African coast at all. It strengthens in the wake of another wave, looks like it's going out to sea crossing over 60/20 but then gets pushed west and heading straight for Bahamas and Florida, pretty much avoiding any significant land interaction on the way.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#15 Postby Nimbus » Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:40 pm

Hurrilurker wrote:Wow, I don't like the look of that one coming off the African coast at all. It strengthens in the wake of another wave, looks like it's going out to sea crossing over 60/20 but then gets pushed west and heading straight for Bahamas and Florida, pretty much avoiding any significant land interaction on the way.



Last frame of the run that sends a major west they have the ridge building back in between the two 154 isobars.
Probably checking to see if we were asleep.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#16 Postby AtlanticWind » Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:03 am

Big jump west on the 00z Euro.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#17 Postby AtlanticWind » Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:14 am

I would not put much stock in the models on 92L for several reasons .

1. The situation is unfolding rather slowly so we are looking more than a week out on any CONUS effects.
2. The interaction with the system behind it has made for large shifts in the models run to run.
3. There has been a lot of variability on the upper air pattern next week.

4 Its 2020 ! :D
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#18 Postby Shell Mound » Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:42 am

AtlanticWind wrote:Big jump west on the 00z Euro.

It still misses Hebert Box #1 to the north, so at most it would affect Bermuda, not the U.S. OTS is still strongly favoured at this point, based on models.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#19 Postby invest man » Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:41 am

AtlanticWind wrote:Big jump west on the 00z Euro.

Noticed that too! Would like to hear thoughts of this scenario with a building High over the Mid Atlantic to the NE US as depicted on the GFS 240-258 hr range. Looks like it could get either shoved west to w-nw somewhere in the Carolinas or come closer to the Delmarva area to Long Island. Or perhaps option 3 stalls and waits to get sweep completely away from land. Basing this idea off the Euro 00z and the 240-258 Latest GFS run. Euro looks to bring this to cat 3 status from my reading. Any thoughts?
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#20 Postby LarryWx » Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:22 am

The last two EPS means (0Z/6Z) have shifted a lot to the W fwiw, which means not as strong an OTS recurve chance as earlier EPS runs had been showing.
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