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Re: ATL: EPSILON - Tropical Storm

#101 Postby Ubuntwo » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:42 am

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Iceresistance wrote:BREAKING
here is the intensity forecast from the NHC. DO NOT USE THIS TO MAKE DESCISIONS

I'm pretty sure you're supposed to use the NHC forecast to make decisions, if not that, then what?

You should make decisions only if the intensity is certain.

Intensity forecasts are *never* certain, that's kinda the point of their messaging. They're still the best resource available for decision making.
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Re: ATL: EPSILON - Tropical Storm

#102 Postby ElectricStorm » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:48 am

Iceresistance wrote:
gfsperpendicular wrote:
Iceresistance wrote:BREAKING
here is the intensity forecast from the NHC. DO NOT USE THIS TO MAKE DESCISIONS

I'm pretty sure you're supposed to use the NHC forecast to make decisions, if not that, then what?

You should make decisions only if the intensity is certain.

NHC is the official information so that is what you should go by. And intensity is very rarely certain as they usually state in their discussions
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Re: ATL: EPSILON - Tropical Storm

#103 Postby ElectricStorm » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:13 pm

Remnants of Epsilon on tropical tidbits... That's got to be wrong, right?
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Re: ATL: EPSILON - Tropical Storm

#104 Postby aspen » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:14 pm

Weather Dude wrote:Remnants of Epsilon on tropical tidbits... That's got to be wrong, right?

Definitely. This is still a TC, and convection is now covering the CoC better than before.
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Re: ATL: EPSILON - Tropical Storm

#105 Postby ElectricStorm » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:15 pm

aspen wrote:
Weather Dude wrote:Remnants of Epsilon on tropical tidbits... That's got to be wrong, right?

Definitely. This is still a TC, and convection is now covering the CoC better than before.

Yeah that's what I see too, looks like someone made a typo in the files lol... Oops
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Re: ATL: EPSILON - Tropical Storm

#106 Postby aspen » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:18 pm

Looks like there's a dry slot but there has been some more convection firing over the CoC.
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Re: ATL: EPSILON - Tropical Storm

#107 Postby Iceresistance » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:27 pm

Ubuntwo wrote:
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gfsperpendicular wrote:I'm pretty sure you're supposed to use the NHC forecast to make decisions, if not that, then what?

You should make decisions only if the intensity is certain.

Intensity forecasts are *never* certain, that's kinda the point of their messaging. They're still the best resource available for decision making.

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Re: ATL: EPSILON - Tropical Storm

#108 Postby Iceresistance » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:29 pm

Weather Dude wrote:
Iceresistance wrote:
gfsperpendicular wrote:I'm pretty sure you're supposed to use the NHC forecast to make decisions, if not that, then what?

You should make decisions only if the intensity is certain.

NHC is the official information so that is what you should go by. And intensity is very rarely certain as they usually state in their discussions

Very true, tropical cyclones can explosively intensify just before landfall. (Charley 2004)
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Re: ATL: EPSILON - Tropical Storm

#109 Postby ElectricStorm » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:30 pm

Iceresistance wrote:
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Iceresistance wrote:You should make decisions only if the intensity is certain.

NHC is the official information so that is what you should go by. And intensity is very rarely certain as they usually state in their discussions

Very true, tropical cyclones can explosively intensify just before landfall. (Charley 2004)

Not just before landfall lol. They can strengthen or weaken unexpectedly anywhere
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Re: ATL: EPSILON - Tropical Storm

#110 Postby Iceresistance » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:55 pm

Weather Dude wrote:
Iceresistance wrote:
Weather Dude wrote:NHC is the official information so that is what you should go by. And intensity is very rarely certain as they usually state in their discussions

Very true, tropical cyclones can explosively intensify just before landfall. (Charley 2004)

Not just before landfall lol. They can strengthen or weaken unexpectedly anywhere

Marco 2020 weakened faster than expected, Hurricane Leslie in 2018 was a wacko storm.
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Re: ATL: EPSILON - Tropical Storm

#111 Postby Iceresistance » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:55 pm

aspen wrote:Looks like there's a dry slot but there has been some more convection firing over the CoC.
https://i.imgur.com/63uGAxH.png

This looks like more of a Subtropical Storm.
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Re: ATL: EPSILON - Tropical Storm

#112 Postby ElectricStorm » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:01 pm

Iceresistance wrote:
Weather Dude wrote:
Iceresistance wrote:Very true, tropical cyclones can explosively intensify just before landfall. (Charley 2004)

Not just before landfall lol. They can strengthen or weaken unexpectedly anywhere

Marco 2020 weakened faster than expected, Hurricane Leslie in 2018 was a wacko storm.

The ultimate example is 5 years ago tomorrow, TD20-E formed in the EPAC, the initial forecast called for a 100mph Cat 2 peak before landfall in Mexico, the rest is history. That happened only a couple months after I started tracking the tropics so watching that unfold was pretty insane.

Anyway back to Epsilon, convection looks to be firing again on the west side
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Re: ATL: EPSILON - Tropical Storm

#113 Postby Ubuntwo » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:23 pm

Iceresistance wrote:
aspen wrote:Looks like there's a dry slot but there has been some more convection firing over the CoC.
https://i.imgur.com/63uGAxH.png

This looks like more of a Subtropical Storm.

The circulation is clearly very tight and well-defined, usually STCs have more broad circulations with displaced wind maxes.
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Re: ATL: EPSILON - Tropical Storm

#114 Postby Iceresistance » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:27 pm

Weather Dude wrote:
Iceresistance wrote:
Weather Dude wrote:Not just before landfall lol. They can strengthen or weaken unexpectedly anywhere

Marco 2020 weakened faster than expected, Hurricane Leslie in 2018 was a wacko storm.

The ultimate example is 5 years ago tomorrow, TD20-E formed in the EPAC, the initial forecast called for a 100mph Cat 2 peak before landfall in Mexico, the rest is history. That happened only a couple months after I started tracking the tropics so watching that unfold was pretty insane.

Anyway back to Epsilon, convection looks to be firing again on the west side


Me thinking about this storm make me feel stressed out. (I started tracking the tropical in June 2015.)
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Re: ATL: EPSILON - Tropical Storm

#115 Postby Iceresistance » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:28 pm

Ubuntwo wrote:
Iceresistance wrote:
aspen wrote:Looks like there's a dry slot but there has been some more convection firing over the CoC.
https://i.imgur.com/63uGAxH.png

This looks like more of a Subtropical Storm.

The circulation is clearly very tight and well-defined, usually STCs have more broad circulations with displaced wind maxes.

True that, the system is starting to look like a TS because there is convection blowing up the the west side of the circulation.
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Re: ATL: EPSILON - Tropical Storm

#116 Postby HurricaneEnzo » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:48 pm

Epsilon has a tenacious LLC. It is really ripping right now.

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/sat/sat ... t=vis-swir
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#117 Postby ElectricStorm » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:51 pm

Iceresistance wrote:
Weather Dude wrote:
Iceresistance wrote:Marco 2020 weakened faster than expected, Hurricane Leslie in 2018 was a wacko storm.

The ultimate example is 5 years ago tomorrow, TD20-E formed in the EPAC, the initial forecast called for a 100mph Cat 2 peak before landfall in Mexico, the rest is history. That happened only a couple months after I started tracking the tropics so watching that unfold was pretty insane.

Anyway back to Epsilon, convection looks to be firing again on the west side


Me thinking about this storm make me feel stressed out. (I started tracking the tropical in June 2015.)

That's about the same time I started too. Can't believe it's already been 5 years!
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Re: ATL: EPSILON - Tropical Storm

#118 Postby aspen » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:57 pm

Weather Dude wrote:
Iceresistance wrote:
Weather Dude wrote:The ultimate example is 5 years ago tomorrow, TD20-E formed in the EPAC, the initial forecast called for a 100mph Cat 2 peak before landfall in Mexico, the rest is history. That happened only a couple months after I started tracking the tropics so watching that unfold was pretty insane.

Anyway back to Epsilon, convection looks to be firing again on the west side


Me thinking about this storm make me feel stressed out. (I started tracking the tropical in June 2015.)

That's about the same time I started too. Can't believe it's already been 5 years!

I started in the worst year possible: 2013. Hurricane Sandy was what got me interested in meteorology. However, I was pretty on-and-off when it came to tracking until late 2015 with Hurricane Joaquin.

Back to Epsilon, the experimental satellite estimate puts it at 40 kt. Let’s see if the 18z best track agrees.
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Re: ATL: EPSILON - Tropical Storm

#119 Postby ElectricStorm » Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:03 pm

aspen wrote:
Weather Dude wrote:
Iceresistance wrote:
Me thinking about this storm make me feel stressed out. (I started tracking the tropical in June 2015.)

That's about the same time I started too. Can't believe it's already been 5 years!

I started in the worst year possible: 2013. Hurricane Sandy was what got me interested in meteorology. However, I was pretty on-and-off when it came to tracking until late 2015 with Hurricane Joaquin.

Back to Epsilon, the experimental satellite estimate puts it at 40 kt. Let’s see if the 18z best track agrees.

I'm surprised you didn't quit after 2013 lol... I've always been interested in tracking weather, but since Im in Oklahoma it has always been tornadoes and severe weather, but when TD Bill came over my house I was like"Hmm I wonder what other storms are out there" and the rest is history. First 2 storms I tracked were Cat 4 Goni and Cat 5 Atsani in the WPAC, pretty insane storms and I've been tracking ever since.

In regards to Epsilon, I would think they will up the winds
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Re: ATL: EPSILON - Tropical Storm

#120 Postby aspen » Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:12 pm

Weather Dude wrote:
aspen wrote:
Weather Dude wrote:That's about the same time I started too. Can't believe it's already been 5 years!

I started in the worst year possible: 2013. Hurricane Sandy was what got me interested in meteorology. However, I was pretty on-and-off when it came to tracking until late 2015 with Hurricane Joaquin.

Back to Epsilon, the experimental satellite estimate puts it at 40 kt. Let’s see if the 18z best track agrees.

I'm surprised you didn't quit after 2013 lol... I've always been interested in tracking weather, but since Im in Oklahoma it has always been tornadoes and severe weather, but when TD Bill came over my house I was like"Hmm I wonder what other storms are out there" and the rest is history. First 2 storms I tracked were Cat 4 Goni and Cat 5 Atsani in the WPAC, pretty insane storms and I've been tracking ever since.

In regards to Epsilon, I would think they will up the winds

Yep, up to 40 kt/998 mbar. Tropical Tidbits no longer says “remnants of Epsilon”.

Also, back in 2013, it thought Humberto ‘13 was the coolest thing, due to its stairstep track and regeneration.
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