Tropical Storm Bertha Model Runs

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Re: Hurricane Bertha Model Runs

#921 Postby ronjon » Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:25 pm

Review of the 12Z model runs now shows that the UKMET turns toward the NW at the end of its run - like the BAMs. I don't know if this is a trend - have to wait and see but I wouldn't give Bermuda the all clear sign yet. CMC, for what its worth, stalls the storm south of 30N. I did notice that the GFDL, which has insisted on the eastern recurve scenario with no apparent slow down, keeps Bertha a CAT 2 hurricane through its 5 day run - not sure if I buy that given shear at present and forecasted.

https://my.sfwmd.gov/portal/page?_pageid=3194,21328260,3194_21169354:3194_21260388:3194_21260861&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL
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#922 Postby HURAKAN » Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:37 pm

WHXX01 KWBC 081834
CHGHUR
TROPICAL CYCLONE GUIDANCE MESSAGE
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
1834 UTC TUE JUL 8 2008

DISCLAIMER...NUMERICAL MODELS ARE SUBJECT TO LARGE ERRORS.
PLEASE REFER TO NHC OFFICIAL FORECASTS FOR TROPICAL CYCLONE
AND SUBTROPICAL CYCLONE INFORMATION.

ATLANTIC OBJECTIVE AIDS FOR

TROPICAL CYCLONE BERTHA (AL022008) 20080708 1800 UTC

...00 HRS... ...12 HRS... ...24 HRS. .. ...36 HRS...
080708 1800 080709 0600 080709 1800 080710 0600

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 22.4N 54.4W 23.5N 56.5W 24.6N 58.4W 25.6N 60.0W
BAMD 22.4N 54.4W 23.5N 56.0W 24.8N 57.5W 26.1N 58.6W
BAMM 22.4N 54.4W 23.3N 56.2W 24.4N 57.9W 25.4N 59.1W
LBAR 22.4N 54.4W 23.4N 55.7W 24.3N 57.2W 25.3N 58.3W
SHIP 75KTS 63KTS 61KTS 58KTS
DSHP 75KTS 63KTS 61KTS 58KTS

...48 HRS... ...72 HRS... ...96 HRS. .. ..120 HRS...
080710 1800 080711 1800 080712 1800 080713 1800

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 26.5N 61.3W 27.1N 62.7W 26.4N 62.7W 26.6N 61.5W
BAMD 27.4N 59.4W 29.7N 60.3W 30.9N 60.9W 32.0N 61.9W
BAMM 26.4N 60.1W 27.6N 60.9W 27.9N 61.1W 28.7N 61.0W
LBAR 26.3N 59.2W 27.2N 59.8W 27.1N 60.0W 27.1N 60.6W
SHIP 58KTS 55KTS 58KTS 56KTS
DSHP 58KTS 55KTS 58KTS 56KTS

...INITIAL CONDITIONS...
LATCUR = 22.4N LONCUR = 54.4W DIRCUR = 310DEG SPDCUR = 9KT
LATM12 = 21.1N LONM12 = 52.9W DIRM12 = 315DEG SPDM12 = 9KT
LATM24 = 19.9N LONM24 = 51.6W
WNDCUR = 75KT RMAXWD = 15NM WNDM12 = 105KT
CENPRS = 980MB OUTPRS = 1016MB OUTRAD = 200NM SDEPTH = D
RD34NE = 120NM RD34SE = 60NM RD34SW = 45NM RD34NW = 75NM

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Re: Hurricane Bertha Model Runs

#923 Postby cycloneye » Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:39 pm

The 18:00 UTC SHIP Forecast:

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        *   ATLANTIC SHIPS INTENSITY FORECAST       *
                    *        GOES/OHC INPUT INCLUDED            *
                    *      BERTHA  AL022008  07/08/08  18 UTC   *

TIME (HR)          0     6    12    18    24    36    48    60    72    84    96   108   120
V (KT) NO LAND    75    67    63    62    61    58    58    55    55    57    58    59    56
V (KT) LAND       75    67    63    62    61    58    58    55    55    57    58    59    56
V (KT) LGE mod    75    66    62    60    59    60    61    62    61    60    59    58    55

SHEAR (KTS)       11    11     9     8    10    14    10    15    14    19    17    24    24
SHEAR DIR        236   218   247   238   198   223   224   219   209   235   234   252   244
SST (C)         27.2  27.3  27.4  27.5  27.5  27.7  27.8  27.9  27.9  27.7  27.4  26.9  26.3
POT. INT. (KT)   126   127   129   130   129   131   132   133   133   130   127   121   115
ADJ. POT. INT.   114   114   115   116   115   114   113   112   112   109   106   101    96
200 MB T (C)   -54.6 -54.8 -54.9 -54.9 -54.5 -54.8 -54.5 -54.4 -53.9 -53.8 -53.9 -54.0 -54.3
TH_E DEV (C)      10    10    10     9    10    10    10     9     9     8     7     7     7
700-500 MB RH     49    47    44    47    46    44    41    42    38    41    47    52    51
GFS VTEX (KT)     15    15    13    14    15    15    16    16    16    17    18    18    19
850 MB ENV VOR    -4    -7   -34   -48   -47   -66   -64   -69   -62   -52   -24   -21   -10
200 MB DIV         6    -3     9    21    31    -3     8    -4   -17    -1    17     4    22
LAND (KM)       1262  1219  1184  1152  1129  1131  1179  1237  1321  1408  1497  1409  1335
LAT (DEG N)     22.4  23.0  23.6  24.2  24.8  26.0  27.0  27.9  28.9  29.8  30.9  31.9  32.9
LONG(DEG W)     54.4  55.1  55.8  56.6  57.3  58.5  59.1  59.5  59.7  59.7  59.5  59.0  58.3
STM SPEED (KT)     9     9     9     9     8     7     5     5     5     5     5     6     6
HEAT CONTENT      20    24    25    25    24    24    20    18    16    12     8     4     0

  FORECAST TRACK FROM OFCI      INITIAL HEADING/SPEED (DEG/KT):310/  9      CX,CY:  -6/  6
  T-12 MAX WIND: 105            PRESSURE OF STEERING LEVEL (MB):  614  (MEAN=625)
  GOES IR BRIGHTNESS TEMP. STD DEV. 100-300 KM RAD:  23.7 (MEAN=20.0)
  % GOES IR PIXELS WITH T < -20 C    50-200 KM RAD:  48.0 (MEAN=68.6)

                        INDIVIDUAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO INTENSITY CHANGE
                         6   12   18   24   36   48   60   72   84   96  108  120
                        ----------------------------------------------------------
  SAMPLE MEAN CHANGE     1.   2.   3.   4.   6.   8.   9.  10.  11.  12.  12.  13.
  SST POTENTIAL          0.   0.   0.   0.  -2.  -5.  -9. -12. -15. -17. -20. -22.
  VERTICAL SHEAR         0.   0.   0.   0.   1.   3.   4.   5.   6.   6.   6.   5.
  PERSISTENCE           -7. -10. -12. -13. -14. -14. -14. -12.  -9.  -5.  -2.  -1.
  200/250 MB TEMP.       0.   1.   1.   1.   1.   2.   3.   3.   3.   3.   3.   4.
  THETA_E EXCESS         0.   0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -2.  -3.  -4.  -5.
  700-500 MB RH          0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.
  GFS VORTEX TENDENCY    0.  -1.  -1.   0.  -1.   0.  -1.  -1.   0.   1.   1.   1.
  850 MB ENV VORTICITY   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -3.  -4.  -5.  -6.  -7.  -7.  -7.  -7.
  200 MB DIVERGENCE      0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -2.  -3.  -3.  -3.  -3.  -3.
  ZONAL STORM MOTION     0.   0.   0.   0.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.   0.
  STEERING LEVEL PRES    0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.
  DAYS FROM CLIM. PEAK   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -2.  -2.  -2.  -2.  -3.  -3.  -4.
                        ----------------------------------------------------------
  SUB-TOTAL CHANGE      -7. -10. -10. -11. -13. -14. -17. -19. -18. -16. -16. -17.

  SATELLITE ADJUSTMENTS ----------------------------------------------------------
  MEAN ADJUSTMENT        0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -2.
  GOES IR STD DEV       -1.  -1.  -2.  -2.  -2.  -2.  -1.   0.   1.   0.   0.   0.
  GOES IR PIXEL COUNT    0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.   0.   0.   1.   1.   1.   0.
  OCEAN HEAT CONTENT     0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.
                        ----------------------------------------------------------
  TOTAL ADJUSTMENT      -1.  -2.  -3.  -4.  -4.  -3.  -3.  -2.   0.  -1.  -1.  -2.
                        ----------------------------------------------------------
  TOTAL CHANGE (KT)     -8. -12. -13. -14. -17. -17. -20. -20. -18. -17. -16. -19.

   ** 2008 ATLANTIC RI INDEX AL022008     BERTHA 07/08/08  18 UTC **
           ( 25 KT OR MORE MAX WIND INCREASE IN NEXT 24 HR)
 
 12 HR PERSISTENCE (KT): -30.0 Range:-45.0 to  30.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.2/  0.4
 850-200 MB SHEAR (KT) :  10.0 Range: 35.1 to   3.2 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.8/  1.3
 D200 (10**7s-1)       :  12.8 Range:-20.0 to 149.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.2/  0.3
 POT = MPI-VMAX (KT)   :  39.9 Range: 25.1 to 130.7 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.1/  0.2
 850-700 MB REL HUM (%):  65.0 Range: 56.0 to  88.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.3/  0.1
 % area w/pixels <-30 C:  40.0 Range: 17.0 to 100.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.3/  0.1
 STD DEV OF IR BR TEMP :  17.8 Range: 35.1 to   3.2 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.5/  0.7
 Heat content (KJ/cm2) :  23.6 Range:  0.0 to 132.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.2/  0.0
 
 Prob of RI for 25 kt RI threshold=     9% is   0.8 times the sample mean(12.3%)
 Prob of RI for 30 kt RI threshold=     8% is   1.0 times the sample mean( 7.8%)
 Prob of RI for 35 kt RI threshold=     5% is   1.0 times the sample mean( 4.5%)

   ##         ANNULAR HURRICANE INDEX (AHI) AL022008     BERTHA 07/08/08  18 UTC         ##
   ## STORM NOT ANNULAR, SCREENING STEP FAILED, NPASS=3 NFAIL=4                          ##
   ## AHI=  0   (AHI OF 100 IS BEST FIT TO ANN. STRUC., 1 IS MARGINAL, 0 IS NOT ANNULAR) ##
   ##     ANNULAR INDEX RAN NORMALLY   
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#924 Postby KWT » Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:40 pm

SHIPS still shows some pretty decent sea surface temperatures for at least the 96hrs, so if the system can just get away from the shear then despite what the SHIPS suggest this may well strengthen again.
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Re: Hurricane Bertha Model Runs

#925 Postby Thunder44 » Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:28 pm

I noticed the GFDL took Bertha west of 60W, on it's 12z run today. So I guess Bermuda will still have to watch it. But it's likely they will be on the weaker west side of storm, if it comes close enough.
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Re: Hurricane Bertha Model Runs

#926 Postby cpdaman » Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:31 pm

18Z gfs coming in right now currently out to 36 hours

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod ... el_s.shtml

edit appears slightly west (bertha appers to brush bermuda w/ her weaker side)
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Re: Hurricane Bertha Model Runs

#927 Postby cycloneye » Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:39 pm

Hmmm,this is a bit of a left shift from GFDL in this 18z run.It reaches 62.4w,this model hasnt even reached 60w in recent runs.

WHXX04 KWBC 082332
CHGQLM
ATTENTION...NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER

NCEP COUPLED GFDL HURRICANE MODEL FORECAST MADE FOR

HURRICANE BERTHA 02L

INITIAL TIME 18Z JUL 8

DISCLAIMER ... THIS INFORMATION IS PROVIDED AS GUIDANCE. IT
REQUIRES INTERPRETATION BY HURRICANE SPECIALISTS AND SHOULD
NOT BE CONSIDERED AS A FINAL PRODUCT. PLEASE SEE THE TPC/NHC
OFFICIAL FORECAST.


FORECAST STORM POSITION

HOUR LATITUDE LONGITUDE HEADING/SPEED(KT)

0 22.4 54.4 310./ 8.9
6 23.1 55.0 319./ 9.8
12 23.8 56.2 301./12.5
18 24.4 57.3 295./11.9
24 25.1 58.2 308./10.3
30 25.5 59.1 299./ 9.0
36 26.1 59.7 310./ 8.1
42 26.6 60.3 315./ 7.7
48 27.4 60.8 325./ 9.1
54 28.0 61.3 321./ 7.5
60 28.8 61.8 326./ 8.7
66 29.4 62.2 333./ 6.5
72 30.0 62.4 336./ 6.7
78 30.5 62.4 359./ 4.3
84 30.9 62.3 13./ 4.4
90 31.5 62.0 27./ 6.3
96 32.1 61.7 30./ 6.7
102 32.6 61.3 41./ 6.2
108 33.2 61.2 8./ 6.2
114 34.0 60.9 20./ 8.1
120 34.9 60.6 16./ 9.9
126 36.0 60.2 20./11.4
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Re: Hurricane Bertha Model Runs

#928 Postby cycloneye » Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:43 pm

70 kts,985 mbs,moving 305 degrees at 10 kts:

WHXX01 KWBC 090038
CHGHUR
TROPICAL CYCLONE GUIDANCE MESSAGE
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
0038 UTC WED JUL 9 2008

DISCLAIMER...NUMERICAL MODELS ARE SUBJECT TO LARGE ERRORS.
PLEASE REFER TO NHC OFFICIAL FORECASTS FOR TROPICAL CYCLONE
AND SUBTROPICAL CYCLONE INFORMATION.

ATLANTIC OBJECTIVE AIDS FOR

TROPICAL CYCLONE BERTHA (AL022008) 20080709 0000 UTC

...00 HRS... ...12 HRS... ...24 HRS. .. ...36 HRS...
080709 0000 080709 1200 080710 0000 080710 1200

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 22.8N 55.4W 23.8N 57.6W 24.9N 59.5W 25.9N 61.3W
BAMD 22.8N 55.4W 23.9N 57.1W 25.2N 58.6W 26.4N 59.9W
BAMM 22.8N 55.4W 23.6N 57.3W 24.6N 59.0W 25.6N 60.6W
LBAR 22.8N 55.4W 24.0N 56.9W 25.1N 58.4W 26.2N 59.6W
SHIP 70KTS 61KTS 60KTS 60KTS
DSHP 70KTS 61KTS 60KTS 60KTS

...48 HRS... ...72 HRS... ...96 HRS. .. ..120 HRS...
080711 0000 080712 0000 080713 0000 080714 0000

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 26.7N 62.7W 27.5N 64.4W 27.0N 64.9W 27.2N 64.2W
BAMD 27.7N 61.0W 29.9N 62.3W 31.3N 62.8W 33.2N 63.8W
BAMM 26.5N 61.8W 27.8N 63.1W 27.9N 63.4W 28.9N 63.8W
LBAR 27.0N 60.4W 28.0N 61.0W 27.6N 61.4W 27.7N 62.3W
SHIP 61KTS 61KTS 60KTS 57KTS
DSHP 61KTS 61KTS 60KTS 57KTS

...INITIAL CONDITIONS...
LATCUR = 22.8N LONCUR = 55.4W DIRCUR = 305DEG SPDCUR = 10KT
LATM12 = 21.8N LONM12 = 53.5W DIRM12 = 313DEG SPDM12 = 10KT
LATM24 = 20.6N LONM24 = 52.2W
WNDCUR = 70KT RMAXWD = 15NM WNDM12 = 90KT
CENPRS = 985MB OUTPRS = 1016MB OUTRAD = 200NM SDEPTH = D
RD34NE = 120NM RD34SE = 60NM RD34SW = 45NM RD34NW = 75NM

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Re: Hurricane Bertha Model Runs

#929 Postby cycloneye » Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:47 pm

The 00:00 UTC SHIP Forecast. Shear decreases a bit until 84 hours when it increases to over 24 kts.

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          *   ATLANTIC SHIPS INTENSITY FORECAST       *
                    *        GOES/OHC INPUT INCLUDED            *
                    *      BERTHA  AL022008  07/09/08  00 UTC   *

TIME (HR)          0     6    12    18    24    36    48    60    72    84    96   108   120
V (KT) NO LAND    70    64    61    61    60    60    61    60    61    62    60    60    57
V (KT) LAND       70    64    61    61    60    60    61    60    61    62    60    60    57
V (KT) LGE mod    70    64    60    59    59    60    62    63    64    64    61    57    53

SHEAR (KTS)       17    12     9     9     8    11     8    13    14    24    26    27    30
SHEAR DIR        231   254   249   189   201   247   211   240   226   256   250   286   270
SST (C)         27.3  27.4  27.5  27.5  27.6  27.8  27.9  27.9  27.8  27.6  27.3  26.7  26.0
POT. INT. (KT)   127   128   130   130   130   132   133   133   132   129   125   119   112
ADJ. POT. INT.   115   115   116   115   115   114   113   113   111   108   104   100    93
200 MB T (C)   -54.9 -55.3 -55.3 -55.0 -54.7 -55.1 -54.4 -54.7 -54.0 -54.3 -54.1 -54.8 -54.4
TH_E DEV (C)      10     9     9     9    10     9    10     9     9     8     7     6     7
700-500 MB RH     47    46    49    51    49    50    43    42    40    44    46    52    52
GFS VTEX (KT)     13    12    13    15    14    15    16    17    18    18    18    19    20
850 MB ENV VOR    -8   -35   -47   -53   -60   -70   -78   -71   -70   -44   -31   -22   -38
200 MB DIV         0    16    21    29     0     0    -1   -20    -6    12    -8    24    23
LAND (KM)       1182  1144  1112  1100  1096  1124  1167  1239  1336  1449  1472  1386  1291
LAT (DEG N)     22.8  23.4  23.9  24.6  25.2  26.3  27.2  28.2  29.3  30.3  31.2  32.2  33.3
LONG(DEG W)     55.4  56.1  56.8  57.5  58.1  59.0  59.6  60.0  60.2  59.9  59.3  58.8  58.4
STM SPEED (KT)     9     8     9     9     8     6     5     6     5     5     5     6     5
HEAT CONTENT      24    25    27    24    23    22    20    21    14    10     7     2     0

  FORECAST TRACK FROM OFCI      INITIAL HEADING/SPEED (DEG/KT):305/ 10      CX,CY:  -7/  6
  T-12 MAX WIND:  90            PRESSURE OF STEERING LEVEL (MB):  631  (MEAN=625)
  GOES IR BRIGHTNESS TEMP. STD DEV. 100-300 KM RAD:  23.5 (MEAN=20.0)
  % GOES IR PIXELS WITH T < -20 C    50-200 KM RAD:  43.0 (MEAN=68.6)

                        INDIVIDUAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO INTENSITY CHANGE
                         6   12   18   24   36   48   60   72   84   96  108  120
                        ----------------------------------------------------------
  SAMPLE MEAN CHANGE     1.   2.   3.   4.   6.   8.   9.  10.  11.  12.  12.  13.
  SST POTENTIAL          0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -4.  -6.  -9. -11. -13. -15. -18.
  VERTICAL SHEAR         0.  -1.   0.   0.   2.   4.   6.   8.   7.   6.   5.   4.
  PERSISTENCE           -5.  -7.  -9. -10. -11. -11. -11.  -9.  -7.  -4.  -2.  -1.
  200/250 MB TEMP.       0.   1.   1.   1.   2.   3.   3.   3.   3.   4.   5.   5.
  THETA_E EXCESS         0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -2.  -3.  -4.  -5.  -5.
  700-500 MB RH          0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.
  GFS VORTEX TENDENCY    0.   0.   0.   0.   1.   1.   2.   2.   3.   2.   3.   3.
  850 MB ENV VORTICITY   0.  -1.  -1.  -2.  -3.  -4.  -6.  -7.  -8.  -8.  -8.  -8.
  200 MB DIVERGENCE      0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -2.  -3.  -3.  -3.  -3.  -2.
  ZONAL STORM MOTION     0.   0.   0.   0.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.
  STEERING LEVEL PRES    0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.
  DAYS FROM CLIM. PEAK   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -2.  -2.  -2.  -2.  -3.  -3.  -4.
                        ----------------------------------------------------------
  SUB-TOTAL CHANGE      -5.  -6.  -6.  -7.  -7.  -6.  -7.  -8.  -8. -10. -10. -12.

  SATELLITE ADJUSTMENTS ----------------------------------------------------------
  MEAN ADJUSTMENT        0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -2.
  GOES IR STD DEV       -1.  -1.  -2.  -2.  -2.  -1.  -1.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.
  GOES IR PIXEL COUNT    0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.   0.   1.   1.   1.   1.   0.
  OCEAN HEAT CONTENT     0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.
                        ----------------------------------------------------------
  TOTAL ADJUSTMENT      -1.  -2.  -3.  -3.  -4.  -3.  -3.  -1.   0.  -1.   0.  -2.
                        ----------------------------------------------------------
  TOTAL CHANGE (KT)     -6.  -9.  -9. -10. -10.  -9. -10.  -9.  -8. -10. -10. -13.

   ** 2008 ATLANTIC RI INDEX AL022008     BERTHA 07/09/08  00 UTC **
           ( 25 KT OR MORE MAX WIND INCREASE IN NEXT 24 HR)
 
 12 HR PERSISTENCE (KT): -20.0 Range:-45.0 to  30.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.3/  0.6
 850-200 MB SHEAR (KT) :  10.9 Range: 35.1 to   3.2 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.8/  1.2
 D200 (10**7s-1)       :  13.2 Range:-20.0 to 149.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.2/  0.3
 POT = MPI-VMAX (KT)   :  45.2 Range: 25.1 to 130.7 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.2/  0.2
 850-700 MB REL HUM (%):  66.0 Range: 56.0 to  88.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.3/  0.1
 % area w/pixels <-30 C:  37.0 Range: 17.0 to 100.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.2/  0.1
 STD DEV OF IR BR TEMP :  18.5 Range: 35.1 to   3.2 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.5/  0.7
 Heat content (KJ/cm2) :  24.6 Range:  0.0 to 132.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.2/  0.0
 
 Prob of RI for 25 kt RI threshold=    11% is   0.9 times the sample mean(12.3%)
 Prob of RI for 30 kt RI threshold=     9% is   1.2 times the sample mean( 7.8%)
 Prob of RI for 35 kt RI threshold=     1% is   0.3 times the sample mean( 4.5%)

   ##         ANNULAR HURRICANE INDEX (AHI) AL022008     BERTHA 07/09/08  00 UTC         ##
   ## STORM NOT ANNULAR, SCREENING STEP FAILED, NPASS=3 NFAIL=4                          ##
   ## AHI=  0   (AHI OF 100 IS BEST FIT TO ANN. STRUC., 1 IS MARGINAL, 0 IS NOT ANNULAR) ##
   ##     ANNULAR INDEX RAN NORMALLY
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Re: Hurricane Bertha Model Runs

#930 Postby cycloneye » Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:30 pm

HWRF shifts west tracking much closer to Bermuda than before.

http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/hwrftc2. ... =Animation
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Re: Hurricane Bertha Model Runs

#931 Postby Thunder44 » Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:52 am

6z Models initialized winds at 65kts, pressure 987mb. Barely a hurricane now.

300
WHXX01 KWBC 090628
CHGHUR
TROPICAL CYCLONE GUIDANCE MESSAGE
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
0628 UTC WED JUL 9 2008

DISCLAIMER...NUMERICAL MODELS ARE SUBJECT TO LARGE ERRORS.
PLEASE REFER TO NHC OFFICIAL FORECASTS FOR TROPICAL CYCLONE
AND SUBTROPICAL CYCLONE INFORMATION.

ATLANTIC OBJECTIVE AIDS FOR

TROPICAL CYCLONE BERTHA (AL022008) 20080709 0600 UTC

...00 HRS... ...12 HRS... ...24 HRS. .. ...36 HRS...
080709 0600 080709 1800 080710 0600 080710 1800

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 23.2N 56.1W 24.2N 58.3W 25.3N 60.1W 26.2N 61.7W
BAMD 23.2N 56.1W 24.3N 57.9W 25.4N 59.4W 26.6N 60.6W
BAMM 23.2N 56.1W 24.1N 58.0W 25.0N 59.6W 25.9N 61.0W
LBAR 23.2N 56.1W 24.1N 57.4W 25.1N 58.7W 26.2N 59.8W
SHIP 65KTS 64KTS 64KTS 64KTS
DSHP 65KTS 64KTS 64KTS 64KTS

...48 HRS... ...72 HRS... ...96 HRS. .. ..120 HRS...
080711 0600 080712 0600 080713 0600 080714 0600

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 26.8N 63.0W 27.2N 63.8W 26.3N 63.9W 26.1N 62.8W
BAMD 27.8N 61.8W 29.8N 63.1W 30.5N 63.6W 31.3N 64.8W
BAMM 26.7N 62.0W 27.7N 62.9W 27.4N 62.8W 27.8N 63.0W
LBAR 26.9N 60.7W 27.9N 61.5W 28.1N 61.9W 28.5N 62.7W
SHIP 62KTS 58KTS 57KTS 54KTS
DSHP 62KTS 58KTS 57KTS 54KTS

...INITIAL CONDITIONS...
LATCUR = 23.2N LONCUR = 56.1W DIRCUR = 300DEG SPDCUR = 9KT
LATM12 = 22.4N LONM12 = 54.4W DIRM12 = 303DEG SPDM12 = 9KT
LATM24 = 21.1N LONM24 = 52.9W
WNDCUR = 65KT RMAXWD = 15NM WNDM12 = 75KT
CENPRS = 987MB OUTPRS = 1014MB OUTRAD = 200NM SDEPTH = D
RD34NE = 120NM RD34SE = 60NM RD34SW = 45NM RD34NW = 75NM

$$
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Re: Hurricane Bertha Model Runs

#932 Postby cycloneye » Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:52 am

65kts,987 mbs.


WHXX01 KWBC 091249
CHGHUR
TROPICAL CYCLONE GUIDANCE MESSAGE
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
1249 UTC WED JUL 9 2008

DISCLAIMER...NUMERICAL MODELS ARE SUBJECT TO LARGE ERRORS.
PLEASE REFER TO NHC OFFICIAL FORECASTS FOR TROPICAL CYCLONE
AND SUBTROPICAL CYCLONE INFORMATION.

ATLANTIC OBJECTIVE AIDS FOR

TROPICAL CYCLONE BERTHA (AL022008) 20080709 1200 UTC

...00 HRS... ...12 HRS... ...24 HRS. .. ...36 HRS...
080709 1200 080710 0000 080710 1200 080711 0000

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 23.6N 57.0W 24.6N 59.1W 25.7N 60.9W 26.5N 62.5W
BAMD 23.6N 57.0W 24.8N 58.4W 26.0N 59.6W 27.2N 60.6W
BAMM 23.6N 57.0W 24.5N 58.7W 25.5N 60.2W 26.4N 61.4W
LBAR 23.6N 57.0W 24.8N 58.2W 25.8N 59.4W 27.0N 60.2W
SHIP 65KTS 63KTS 63KTS 62KTS
DSHP 65KTS 63KTS 63KTS 62KTS

...48 HRS... ...72 HRS... ...96 HRS. .. ..120 HRS...
080711 1200 080712 1200 080713 1200 080714 1200

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 27.0N 63.7W 27.6N 64.5W 27.2N 65.0W 27.3N 64.6W
BAMD 28.5N 61.5W 30.6N 62.1W 31.4N 61.9W 32.5N 60.9W
BAMM 27.0N 62.4W 27.9N 62.9W 27.7N 63.2W 28.2N 62.4W
LBAR 27.7N 60.9W 28.6N 61.2W 29.1N 61.7W 29.9N 61.9W
SHIP 60KTS 56KTS 52KTS 48KTS
DSHP 60KTS 56KTS 52KTS 48KTS

...INITIAL CONDITIONS...
LATCUR = 23.6N LONCUR = 57.0W DIRCUR = 300DEG SPDCUR = 10KT
LATM12 = 22.8N LONM12 = 55.2W DIRM12 = 297DEG SPDM12 = 9KT
LATM24 = 21.8N LONM24 = 53.5W
WNDCUR = 65KT RMAXWD = 15NM WNDM12 = 70KT
CENPRS = 987MB OUTPRS = 1014MB OUTRAD = 200NM SDEPTH = D
RD34NE = 120NM RD34SE = 60NM RD34SW = 45NM RD34NW = 90NM

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Re: Hurricane Bertha Model Runs

#933 Postby tolakram » Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:02 am

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Re: Hurricane Bertha Model Runs

#934 Postby cycloneye » Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:33 pm

12z UKMET tracks more closer to Bermuda.



MET OFFICE TROPICAL CYCLONE GUIDANCE FOR NORTH-EAST PACIFIC



AND ATLANTIC



GLOBAL MODEL DATA TIME 12UTC 09.07.2008



HURRICANE BERTHA ANALYSED POSITION : 24.0N 57.0W



ATCF IDENTIFIER : AL022008



VERIFYING TIME POSITION STRENGTH TENDENCY

-------------- -------- -------- --------

12UTC 09.07.2008 24.0N 57.0W STRONG

00UTC 10.07.2008 24.6N 58.6W STRONG INTENSIFYING SLIGHTLY

12UTC 10.07.2008 25.7N 59.9W STRONG WEAKENING SLIGHTLY

00UTC 11.07.2008 26.8N 60.5W STRONG LITTLE CHANGE

12UTC 11.07.2008 27.9N 61.1W STRONG LITTLE CHANGE

00UTC 12.07.2008 28.3N 61.1W STRONG LITTLE CHANGE

12UTC 12.07.2008 29.1N 61.1W STRONG LITTLE CHANGE

00UTC 13.07.2008 29.4N 61.5W STRONG LITTLE CHANGE

12UTC 13.07.2008 30.4N 62.6W STRONG LITTLE CHANGE

00UTC 14.07.2008 32.1N 62.8W STRONG LITTLE CHANGE

12UTC 14.07.2008 34.7N 63.2W STRONG LITTLE CHANGE

00UTC 15.07.2008 38.4N 62.0W MODERATE WEAKENING SLIGHTLY

12UTC 15.07.2008 45.5N 60.0W EXTRA TROPICAL

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Re: Hurricane Bertha Model Runs

#935 Postby cycloneye » Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:35 pm

12z GFDL tracks just east of the UKMET.


WHXX04 KWBC 091729
CHGQLM
ATTENTION...NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER

NCEP COUPLED GFDL HURRICANE MODEL FORECAST MADE FOR

TROPICAL STORM BERTHA 02L

INITIAL TIME 12Z JUL 9

DISCLAIMER ... THIS INFORMATION IS PROVIDED AS GUIDANCE. IT
REQUIRES INTERPRETATION BY HURRICANE SPECIALISTS AND SHOULD
NOT BE CONSIDERED AS A FINAL PRODUCT. PLEASE SEE THE TPC/NHC
OFFICIAL FORECAST.


FORECAST STORM POSITION

HOUR LATITUDE LONGITUDE HEADING/SPEED(KT)

0 23.6 57.0 300./ 9.9
6 24.2 57.8 308./ 9.2
12 24.7 58.4 310./ 7.5
18 25.2 59.2 304./ 9.3
24 25.8 59.9 309./ 8.3
30 26.4 60.5 315./ 8.0
36 26.8 60.9 314./ 5.4
42 27.4 61.3 326./ 6.7
48 28.0 61.8 326./ 8.2
54 28.7 62.2 328./ 7.6
60 29.2 62.4 340./ 5.4
66 29.8 62.5 346./ 6.2
72 30.5 62.4 10./ 6.6
78 31.2 62.0 31./ 8.3
84 31.9 61.5 33./ 8.0
90 32.7 61.0 34./ 8.4
96 33.4 60.6 30./ 8.4
102 34.0 60.3 22./ 6.6
108 34.7 59.9 37./ 7.3
114 35.3 59.7 14./ 6.9
120 36.2 59.5 15./ 9.0
126 37.2 59.1 21./10.4
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Re: Hurricane Bertha Model Runs

#936 Postby ronjon » Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:37 pm

12Z CMC takes a major hurricane very slowly to just east of Bermuda - interesting that it builds strong high pressure to the east of the storm preventing its escape NE into the open Atlantic. Could this storm be a threat to Newfoundland or Nova Scotia eventually?

http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/cmctc2.cgi?time=2008070912&field=Sea+Level+Pressure&hour=Animation
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Re: Hurricane Bertha Model Runs

#937 Postby cycloneye » Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:46 pm

85 kts,970 mbs at the 18:00 UTC model guidance intensity.

923
WHXX01 KWBC 091843
CHGHUR
TROPICAL CYCLONE GUIDANCE MESSAGE
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
1843 UTC WED JUL 9 2008

DISCLAIMER...NUMERICAL MODELS ARE SUBJECT TO LARGE ERRORS.
PLEASE REFER TO NHC OFFICIAL FORECASTS FOR TROPICAL CYCLONE
AND SUBTROPICAL CYCLONE INFORMATION.

ATLANTIC OBJECTIVE AIDS FOR

TROPICAL CYCLONE BERTHA (AL022008) 20080709 1800 UTC

...00 HRS... ...12 HRS... ...24 HRS. .. ...36 HRS...
080709 1800 080710 0600 080710 1800 080711 0600

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 24.5N 57.8W 25.4N 59.7W 26.2N 61.4W 26.7N 62.9W
BAMD 24.5N 57.8W 25.6N 59.3W 26.8N 60.7W 27.8N 61.8W
BAMM 24.5N 57.8W 25.3N 59.4W 26.2N 60.9W 27.0N 62.1W
LBAR 24.5N 57.8W 25.6N 58.9W 26.6N 59.9W 27.6N 60.6W
SHIP 85KTS 88KTS 87KTS 83KTS
DSHP 85KTS 88KTS 87KTS 83KTS

...48 HRS... ...72 HRS... ...96 HRS. .. ..120 HRS...
080711 1800 080712 1800 080713 1800 080714 1800

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 27.2N 63.7W 27.3N 63.4W 26.7N 61.8W 28.8N 59.3W
BAMD 29.0N 62.7W 31.0N 63.1W 31.7N 63.4W 32.5N 64.1W
BAMM 27.7N 63.0W 28.6N 63.2W 28.5N 62.8W 30.0N 61.7W
LBAR 28.4N 61.2W 29.6N 61.2W 30.3N 61.3W 31.7N 61.1W
SHIP 79KTS 70KTS 59KTS 55KTS
DSHP 79KTS 70KTS 59KTS 55KTS

...INITIAL CONDITIONS...
LATCUR = 24.5N LONCUR = 57.8W DIRCUR = 305DEG SPDCUR = 10KT
LATM12 = 23.2N LONM12 = 56.1W DIRM12 = 296DEG SPDM12 = 9KT
LATM24 = 22.4N LONM24 = 54.4W
WNDCUR = 85KT RMAXWD = 15NM WNDM12 = 65KT
CENPRS = 974MB OUTPRS = 1014MB OUTRAD = 200NM SDEPTH = D
RD34NE = 120NM RD34SE = 60NM RD34SW = 60NM RD34NW = 90NM

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#938 Postby Derek Ortt » Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:28 pm

http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/ngptc2.c ... =Animation

latest NOGAPS has Canada in the crosshairs it appears
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#939 Postby ronjon » Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:31 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/ngptc2.cgi?time=2008070912&field=Sea+Level+Pressure&hour=Animation

latest NOGAPS has Canada in the crosshairs it appears



Derek, UKMET shows the same thing as NOGAPS - basically absorbs the storm into a giant eastern Canada vortex.

http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/ukmtc2.cgi?time=2008070912&field=Sea+Level+Pressure&hour=Animation
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#940 Postby Derek Ortt » Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:33 pm

Yep, UKMET indicates merger, while NOGAPS keeps Bertha as a distinct entity
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