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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Cristobal near Southeast U.S

#721 Postby tpr1967 » Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:46 am

This is what this guy was talking about.LoL.
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#722 Postby Downdraft » Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:13 am

Every year I wonder and shake my head at all the people who dismiss depressions and weak tropical storms as not worth anyone's time. A tropical cyclone is still just that a tropical cyclone and none of them from weakest to strongest should be dismissed or written off anytime they are near land. Now back to the thread the Skew-T from Morehead City once again shows a cap building. From 500mb up it really gets strong. That's what is inhibiting the convection with this system.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Cristobal near Southeast U.S

#723 Postby cpdaman » Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:17 am

exactly it's the cap, look at all the dry air , the convection is about 80 miles from the LLC

however it has given some people some needed rain, so this has been a non event outside some

average cold front type gusts (maybe) and the couple inches or rain received.

Very lucky that the dry air was settled in, and i suppose it should for awhile?
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Cristobal near Southeast U.S

#724 Postby Hybridstorm_November2001 » Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:31 am

WOCN31 CWHX 201200
TROPICAL STORM CRISTOBAL INFORMATION STATEMENT ISSUED BY THE
CANADIAN HURRICANE CENTRE OF ENVIRONMENT CANADA AT 9.00 AM ADT
SUNDAY 20 JULY 2008.

THE NEXT STATEMENT WILL BE ISSUED BY 3.00 PM ADT

... CRISTOBAL TO MOVE ALONG CAROLINA COAST TODAY ...

1. CURRENT POSITION, STRENGTH, CENTRAL PRESSURE AND MOTION

AT 9.00 AM ADT... TROPICAL STORM CRISTOBAL WAS LOCATED NEAR
LATITUDE 34.1 N AND LONGITUDE 76.8 W... ABOUT 45 NAUTICAL MILES
OR 85 KM SOUTH OF CHERRY POINT . MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE
ESTIMATED AT 45 KNOTS... 83 KM/H... AND CENTRAL PRESSURE AT 1007
MB. CRISTOBAL IS MOVING NORTHEAST AT 9 KNOTS... 17 KM/H.

2. FORECAST POSITION, CENTRAL PRESSURE AND STRENGTH

DATE TIME LAT LON MSLP MAX WIND
ADT MB KTS KMH
JUL 20 9.00 AM 34.1N 76.8W 1007 45 83
JUL 20 9.00 PM 35.2N 75.2W 1000 50 93
JUL 21 9.00 AM 36.6N 73.2W 997 55 102
JUL 21 9.00 PM 38.9N 70.4W 999 50 93
JUL 22 9.00 AM 42.2N 66.6W 1002 40 74
JUL 22 9.00 PM 45.2N 63.0W 1008 30 56

3. PUBLIC WEATHER IMPACTS AND WARNINGS SUMMARY
GIVEN FORECAST TRACK, EXPECT SOME RAIN AND GUSTY WINDS ON TUESDAY
OVER NORTHEASTERN NOVA SCOTIA.

4. MARINE WEATHER IMPACTS AND WARNINGS SUMMARY
TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS BEGINNING OVER GEORGES BANK TUESDAY
MORNING AND SPREADING NORTHEASTWARD THROUGH THE DAY.

5. TECHNICAL DISCUSSION

A. ANALYSIS
WILMINGTON AND NEWPORT/MOREHEAD RADAR.. COMBINED WITH OFFSHORE
BOUYS GIVE GOOD APPROXIMATION OF POSITION. CONVECTION ON SAT PIX
CONTINUES TO REMAIN DISORGANISED.

B. PROGNOSTIC
LITTLE SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN FORECAST TRACK. AS MENTIONED
CRISTOBAL IS EMBEDDED IN A BROAD UPPER RIDGE. THIS RIDGE LIES
ROUGHLY ALONG THE 28 NORTH LATITUDE SO THIS SHOULD NUDGE THE
SYSTEM SLOWLY INTO THE UPPER LATITUDES. WESTERLIES
KICK IN AT 40 NORTH. THE UPPER TROUGH DOES NOT APPROACH UNTIL
MONDAY MORNING SO AT THAT TIME WE SHOULD BEGIN TO GET A
GOOD HANDLE ON CRISTOBAL AS IT GETS CAUGHT UP IN THE UPPER WINDS
AND ACCELERATES NORTHEASTWARD. CRISTOBAL WILL CROSS THE NORTH WALL
OF THE GULF STREAM MONDAY EVENING SO WEAKENING IS ANTICIPATED
THEREAFTER.


C. PUBLIC WEATHER
A WARM FRONT WILL CAUSE RAIN ON MONDAY FOR NOVA SCOTIA. WITH
TROPICAL MOISTURE FEEDING INTO FRONTAL SYSTEM ON TUESDAY.. WE
EXPECT MUCH THE SAME FOR TUESDAY WITH LOCALLY HEAVIER AMOUNTS.
THE CDN GEM AND AMERICAN GFS INDICATES FAIRLY HEAVY PCPN WITH
THE FRONT ON MONDAY WHICH BEGS ONE TO WONDER IF THE PUBLIC AND
MEDIA WILL THINK THAT CRISTOBAL HAS ARRIVED EARLIER THAN
FORECAST.

D. MARINE WEATHER
GALE FORCE WINDS PLACED INTO EXTENDED FORCAST FOR
SOUTHWESTERN WATERS OF THE MARITIME MARINE DISTRICT.

PREDICTED WIND RADII (NM)
TIME GALES STORMS HURRICANE
NE SE SW NW NE SE SW NW NE SE SW NW
20/12Z 20 60 20 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
21/00Z 90 150 80 40 0 40 0 0 0 0 0 0
21/12Z 120 180 90 60 0 90 0 0 0 0 0 0
22/00Z 120 180 90 50 0 45 0 0 0 0 0 0
22/12Z 120 180 75 40 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
23/00Z 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

END CAMPBELL/MCILDOON


Source:

http://www.atl.ec.gc.ca/weather/hurricane/bulletins/20080720121306.Cristobal.txt.en
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Cristobal near Southeast U.S

#725 Postby OuterBanker » Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:43 am

Sure enough, another Gabrielle. No rain, beautiful mid level layer clouds in which you can see rotation. Not one drop of rain (well there we a couple showers from some stray bands two days ago). A little breezy, and surf is up a little but thats it, a non event. Of course it is only July 20.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Cristobal near Southeast U.S

#726 Postby Hybridstorm_November2001 » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:36 am

OuterBanker wrote:Sure enough, another Gabrielle. No rain, beautiful mid level layer clouds in which you can see rotation. Not one drop of rain (well there we a couple showers from some stray bands two days ago). A little breezy, and surf is up a little but thats it, a non event. Of course it is only July 20.


Indeed, it would seem so thus far, but one never knows these things can blow up rather quickly at times. As such it isn't over yet, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed this TS stays mild rather than turning wild.
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#727 Postby HURAKAN » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:39 am

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#728 Postby UpTheCreek » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:50 am

Well, the storm appears to be just east of Morehead City now. We got a good, 3 minute downpour late last night and that has been IT!!! I was really counting on some more rain from this system, very disappointing but better than nothing..... :roll:
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#729 Postby Category 5 » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:52 am

UpTheCreek wrote:Well, the storm appears to be just east of Morehead City now. We got a good, 3 minute downpour late last night and that has been IT!!! I was really counting on some more rain from this system, very disappointing but better than nothing..... :roll:


Looks like some dry air is going to prevent much of anything. Much like Gabrielle last year.
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#730 Postby Bane » Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:04 pm

hate to hear you guys missed out. we got real lucky down here. looks like good chances for thunderstorms later this week.
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#731 Postby HURAKAN » Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:05 pm

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Loop: http://rammb.cira.colostate.edu/product ... 190015.GIF

Convection coming back to the center and no landfall will occur based on the loop.
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#732 Postby UpTheCreek » Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:10 pm

Bane wrote:hate to hear you guys missed out. we got real lucky down here. looks like good chances for thunderstorms later this week.



Getting a band over us now, but very light and almost misty-like. T-storms are a good thing, hope they come!
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#733 Postby KWT » Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:21 pm

If the convection can get back over the center as it moves past the outer banks I trhink we could see some development given we do have a pretty potent center.
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#734 Postby txwatcher91 » Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:35 pm

KWT wrote:If the convection can get back over the center as it moves past the outer banks I trhink we could see some development given we do have a pretty potent center.


Yeah, the LLC is pretty strong because I have had sustained 10-20 mph winds today even though it is sunny. Had a gust to 30 a few minutes ago.
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#735 Postby KWT » Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:38 pm

Yeah indeed we just need to see if the convection can pull back over the center as it gets futher away from land again. Think Dolly wil lget the main attention but this still needs to be watched IMO for the NE could cause some gusty conditions.
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#736 Postby JonathanBelles » Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:43 pm

any western nudge could endanger Cape Cod (ironically) and Maine, while a threat to NS looks eminent (as a EX).
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#737 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:13 pm

fact789 wrote:any western nudge could endanger Cape Cod (ironically) and Maine, while a threat to NS looks eminent (as a EX).



Not sure the irony of a Nantucket sideswipe. Unless it passed awfully close, it'd be no worse than a bad winter Nor'Easter.


But they should definitely keep an eye on the forecasts, especially boaters.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Cristobal near Southeast U.S

#738 Postby cpdaman » Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:27 pm

dry air appears to be eroding. I will be paying attention to this system again, Big t'storm developing on the southen side, closer to LLC. Outer banks need to stay on alert.

when i saw the forecast today from NHC of central pressure going from 1007 to 1000mb (from 9am to 9 pm) i said hmm, i wondered wether the cap was forecast to erode, anyway this things not moving that much and is close to gulf stream and still has a vigourous LLC so may see attention come back to this thread.
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#739 Postby KWT » Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:31 pm

Yeah cpdaman there does seem to be some more convective activity, I suspect any strengthening will possibly occur fairly soon if that dry air does decide to leave this system alone.
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#740 Postby storms in NC » Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:19 pm

Take a look at this. Am I seeing it wrong? To it looks like it has moved west and looks like it wants to make a loop. But I am nuts. the sun has baked my brain.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t3/loop-vis.html
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